Freedive Results

[Aaron Werner]

Good Luck to all the competitors in the freedive nationals today. I'll be posting the results as soon as the competitions finishes. The weigh-in starts at 3:30 central time.

[Aaron Werner]

The top four individuals are:
1. Dennis Haussler (4th time)
2. Yury Bylina
3. Hanalei Adric
4. Harolf Dean

[Going in deep]

Where or when can we see the rest of the competitors scores? Thanks

[Les Sage]

The top three freediving/spearfishing teams were:

1st Place: CenCal Team #1 consisting of Mike McGuire, Glen McGuire & Dennis Haussler

2nd Place: Team Hawaii consisting of Hanalei Adric, Calvin Lai Jr. & Braxton Fernandes

3rd Place: Team R.M.S.A consisting of Les Sage, Harold Raff & Christian Baker

The above competition took place on Thursday, 8/5.10



The Midwest Dive Council also had spearfishing competition on Friday, 8/6/10. I do not have the results from that.

Les Sage

[Man-O-War]

Thanks for posting the results.

Do you know why wining team didn't have observer on board?

[Going in deep]

Still trying to find out the rest of the divers results. Anybody????

[Rocky Mountain Spearo]

Do you know why wining team didn't have observer on board?

I'm just curious, how many boats did not have the "required" judge/observer on board? How did they pick who would have one and who wouldn't?

[Les Sage]

At the staging area, Phil Lamm stated they did not have enough judges for every boat. As to which ones had them and which one didn't, I don't know. My team had a judge and a driver in addition to the competitors. Our judge was very helpful, but also strict. There was no doubt in my mind if we did something wrong, she would DQ us.

Phil is going to send out a email in a few days with the individual and team scores. Not sure if he is going to share information regarding which boats did not have judges. That would be interesting to find out!

[dennishaussler]

i heard some fishy stories, no pun intended, about the fish and points from the winning team

care to elaborate on this???????

If someone is going to make accusations, they need to be prepared to substantiate theyre claims, and back them up.
This was a non stop work out, and one of the hardest meets I have attended. I welcome any reports or questions on how the tournament went, and what happened on the winning team.

Be careful here.

[alrolex72]

Congratulation to the Cen Cal team from the Monterey Bay Tritons.

Because of you, the next generation is training today.

[Going in deep]

I was there and had a judge on my boat and I did hear some loud protest at the rollcall that morning about the lack of judges. While I have no problem having a judge on my boat and did my best that day, I can see how others would feel differently. I think the situation could have been handled in a different way that would have made everyone happy. Since there were not enough judges, perhaps having a random drawing of the judges and boats would have been better. Perhaps then there would not be so many people upset that the winning boat had no judge. As for me, I have dove with Dennis in Mex and Aus and think he is a standup guy and would not cheat. If anybody has proof otherwise, other than hurt ego, please provide it.

(not related to Dennis) I am more curious as to how three divers on a boat can dive the same area but only one comes up with 100#'s of fish? Just wondering....

Oh and if you were not there, than you really have no say in this discussion because your just repeating $%^^. I will get off my soap box now.

This was my first Nationals and I really had a good time. I wish I could have met and hung out with everybody more but I had no transportation while I was up there. I hope to see everyone again at the next Nationals in the Keys.

[Turyturbo]

(not related to Dennis) I am more curious as to how three divers on a boat can dive the same area but only one comes up with 100#'s of fish? Just wondering....


For my team, two of us (included myself) lost few big buffalo carps and I lost a big catfish. Our third mate handled to bring a couple of big buffalo carps to the boat. All we need is more power to shoot at them and more longer flopper to keep them on the shaft or less stress on them while pulling the line up to the surface. That's why the result showed that my third mate got 100# and rest of us got less than 50#.

That is one of reasons.

[DiveMan]

I too competed in this tournament and flt that there was a lack of organization and forethought the day of the tournament. If you have ever competed, you know that judges are pretty hard to get and actually show up the day of the tournament. There needed to have been a plan "B" in case there were not enough judges (as happened). Maybe they could have been raffled and distributed fairly or no one receives a judge. In stead, it was stated that not everyone would have a judge and who ever took off to the start line before they were handed out, did not receive a judge. (I know because I saw it happen).This was a National Tournament and a big slip-up like this should never happen. Dont take this personally this is not directed toward anyone,just stating the facts. Anyways congrats to Denis, Yury and Hanalei !!! See you guys next year in The Keys.:thumps:

[Going in deep]

I was really hoping to get a catfish, but never even saw one. I wanted one because this was my first time ever diving in fresh water. Did anybody manage to get a big catfish? pics?

[scubadown16]

Here you all go... Enjoy... Congrats to all that participated...


2010 U.S. Nationals Results
Men’s Skin Results
1st Place – Team Imersion - Cen-Cal
Big Fish # Fish Total Lbs. Individual Points Team Points


259.55
Dennis Haussler 26.95 21 120.65 130.7
Glen McGuire 3.15 7 15.9 22.9
Mike McGuire 28.5 16 98.45 105.95
Totals 44 235.0 259.55

2nd Place –HIFC –(Hawaii)
Big Fish # Fish Total Lbs. Individual Points Team Points


216.9
Hanalei Adric 18.95 17 102.45 119.45
Braxton Fernandes 3.80 6 18.55 24.55
Calvin Lai Jr. 13.85 15 57.9 72.9
Totals 38 178.9 216.9

3rd Place - RMSA
Big Fish # Fish Total Lbs. Individual Points Team Points


197.9
Christian Baker 12.55 11 63.0 74.0
Danny Raff 21.0 13 62.5 67.95
Les Sage 24.5 7 53.45 55.95
Totals 31 178.95 197.9








Men’s Teams (cont.)
4 Bylina – Page – Reyna Palm Beach Freedivers 22 fish – 169.25 lbs - 187.40 pts.
5 Dean – Guinovart - Santeiro Miami Freedivers 29 fish – 159.35 lbs. - 181.45 pts.
6 Cardin – Cornett – Deichsel RMSA 27 fish – 139.35 lbs. - 159.15 pts.
7 Bristol – Fernandez – Stalnaker Long Fins 18 fish – 127.85 lbs. - 142.90 pts.
8 Fyfe – Geist – Turgeon Palm Beach U/W Hockey 21 fish – 112.25 lbs. - 124.15 pts.
9 Fallon – Graber – Manier Champaign U/W Hockey 25 fish – 99.55 lbs. - 120.50 pts.
10 Pender – Ripley – Wagner Cen-Cal 15 fish – 106.35 lbs. - 119.75 pts.
11 Cruz – Lopez – Salado Miami Freedivers 27 fish – 88.55 lbs. - 115.55 pts.
12 Fazzi – Marrero – Perera South Florida Diving Council 21 fish – 90.70 lbs. - 113.70 pts.
13 Benson – MacKereth – McCarthy MDC 30 fish – 76.90 lbs. - 106.90 pts.
14 Burneo – Gonzalez – Sotolongo Long Fins 19 fish – 85.25 lbs. - 104.25 pts.
15 Ban – Love – Spackman RMSA 26 fish – 71.60 lbs. - 97.60 pts.
16 Cabrera – Nunez Long Fins 22 fish – 72.10 lbs. - 94.10 pts.
17 Heskett –Maugh – Van Haele MDC 27 fish – 65.05 lbs. - 92.00 pts.
18 Martinez – Schmidt – Van Deman Tampa Bay Spearfishing Club 10 fish – 44.60 lbs. - 54.60 pts.
19 Bradley – Mosier – Rosenberger MDC 9 fish – 17.95 lbs. - 27.55 pts.

Men’s Largest Fish
1. Mike McGuire 28.50 lbs. Cen-Cal
2. Dennis Haussler 26.95 lbs. Cen-Cal
3. Andrew Geist 26.65 lbs. Palm Beach U/W Hockey
4. Christian Cornett 25.60 lbs. RMSA
5. Harolf Dean 24.95 lbs Miami Freedivers





Men’s High Aggregate
1. Dennis Haussler 21 Fish – 120.65 lbs. 105.95 points Cen-Cal
2. Yury Bylina 12 Fish – 115.75 lbs 123.70 points Palm Beach Freedivers
3. Hanalei Adric 17 Fish – 102.45 lbs. 119.45 points HIFC - Hawaii
4. Harolf Dean 17 Fisah – 104.45 lbs. 116.50 points Miami Freedivers
5. ChrisCornett 13 Fish – 102.40 lbs. 108.20 points RMSA

Men’s All American Skin Team = Members of the first place team plus next two highest scoring individuals
1. Dennis Haussler 130.70 points Cen-Cal - 1st Place Team
2. Glen McGuire 22.90 points Cen-Cal – 1st PlaceTeam
3. Mike McGuire 105.95 points Cen-Cal – 1st Place Team
4. Yury Bylina 123.70 points Palm Beach Freedivers
5. Hanalei Adric 119.45 points HIFC – Hawaii

Men’s Novice
Chris Cornett RMSA 13 Fish – 102.40 lbs. – 108.20 points













Men’s Individual Results
Name Council/Club Largest Fish / (Place) # of Fish Total Weight Points Final Placement
Haussler, Dennis Cen-Cal 26.95 lbs. (2) 21 120.65 lbs. 130.70 1
Bylina, Yury Palm BeachFredivers 23.85 lbs. (8) 12 115.75 bs. 123.90 2
Adric, Hanalei HIFC - Hawaii 18.95lbs. (13) 17 102.45 lbs. 119.45 3
Dean, Harolf Miami Freedivers 24.95 lbs. (5) 17 104.45 116.50 4
Cornett, Chris RMSA 25.65 lbs. (4) 13 102.40 108.20 5
McGuire, Mike Cen-Cal 28.50 lbs. (1) 16 98.45 105.95 6
Pender, Mike Cen - Cal 13.30 lbs. (22) 11 67.30 78.30 7
Baker, Christian RMSA 12.55 lbs. (23) 11 63.0 74.00 8
Ban, Mike RMSA 8.90 lbs. (31) 18 55.80 73.80 9
Lai Jr., Calvin HIFC - Hawaii 13.85 lbs. (20) 15 57.90 72.90 10
Raff, Danny RMSA 21.00 lbs (12) 13 62.50 67.95 11
Cabrera, Julio Long Fins 17.70 lbs. (15) 15 52.50 67.50 12
Manier, Jeremy Champaign U/W Hockey 24.05 lbs. (7) 13 55.95 64.90 13
Cruz, Servino Miami Freedivers 4.65 lbs. (38) 16 47.75 63.75 14
MacKereth, Scott MDC 3.50 lbs. (47) 20 42.05 62.05 15
Page, Patrick Palm Beach Freedivers 18.15 lbs. (14) 9 51.45 60.45 16
Sage, Les RMSA 24.50 lbs. (6) 7 53.45 55.95 17
Geist, Andrew Palm Beach U/W Hockey 26.65 lbs. (3) 8 56.75 55.65 18
Bristol, Alex Long Fins 22.95 lbs. (9) 7 51.10 55.15 19
Stalnaker, Mark Long Fins 15.40 lbs. (16) 8 43.9 51.90 20
Burneo, Austin Long Fins 7.65 lbs. (32) 10 39.10 49.10 21
Turgeon, Scott Palm Beach U/W Hockey 11.90 lbs. (25) 7 41.55 48.55 22
Fazzi, Eric South Florida Diving Council 11.85 lbs. (27) 7 40.90 47.90 23



Men’s Individual Results (cont.)
Schmidt, Aaron Tampa Bay Spearfishing 10.50 lbs. (30) 8 38.80 46.80 24
Maugh, Gary MDC 3.00 lbs. (50) 16 29.20 45.20 25
Marrero, Roberto South Florida Diving Council 10.95 lbs. (29 ) 11 31.15 44.15 26
Guinovart, Miguel Miami Freedivers 21.95 lbs. (10 ) 6 38.40 42.45 27
Sotolongo, Adelito Long Fins 13.75 lbs. (21 ) 5 34.15 39.15 28
Fernandez, Pepin Long Fins 15.00 lbs. (17 ) 3 32.85 35.85 29
Benson, Bob MDC 12.15 lbs. ( 24) 7 27.90 34.90 30
Salado, Erick Miami Free Divers 4.20 lbs. (40) 6 28.85 34.85 31
Fallon, Tim Champaign U/W Hockey 14.35 lbs. (19) 5 26.10 31.10 32
Deichsel, Matthew RMSA 4.35 lbs. (39) 8 19.85 27.85 33
Nunez, Larzaro Long Fins 4.80 lbs. (36) 7 19.60 26.60 34
Van Haele, Mike MDC 14.45 lbs. (18) 4 20.70 24.70 35
Fernandes, Braxton HIFC - Hawaii 3.80 lbs. (45) 6 18.55 24.55 36
Graber, Joe Champaign U/W Hockey 3.30 lbs. (48 ) 7 17.50 24.50 37
Cardin, Whitney RMSA 5.45 lbs. (34) 6 17.10 23.10 38
McGuire, Glen Cen-Cal 3.15 lbs. (49) 7 15.90 22.90 39
Santeiro, Jose Miami Freedivers 4.70 lbs. (37) 6 16.50 22.50 40
Heskett, Don MDC 4.10 lbs. (42) 7 15.15 22.15 41
Perera, Luis South Florida Diving Council 11.90 lbs.(26) 3 18.65 21.65 42
Wagner, Nick Cen - Cal 21.60 lbs. (11) 1 21.60 21.00 43
Ripley, Ernie Cen - Cal 11.60 lbs. (28) 3 17.45 20.45 44
Fyfe, James Palm Beach U/W Hockey 4.05 lbs.(43) 6 13.95 19.95 45
Lopez, Sergey Miami Freedivers 3.95 lbs. (44) 5 11.95 16.95 46
Love, Keith RMSA 2.40 lbs. (52) 5 11.40 16.40 47
Gonzalez, Chris Long Fins 6.80 lbs. (33) 4 12.0 16.00 48



Men’s Individual Results (cont.)
Bradley, Chris MDC 5.20 lbs. (35) 5 10.75 15.75 49
McCarthy, Pat MDC 3.00 lbs. (51) 3 6.95 9.95 50
Mosier, Dan MDC 3.60 lbs. (46) 3 6.0 9.60 51
Spackman, Duke RMSA 2.15 lbs. (53) 3 4.40 7.40 52
Martinez, T.A. Tampa Bay Spearfishing 4.15 lbs. (41) 1 4.15 5.15 53
Reyna, Juan Palm Beach Freedivers 2.05 lbs. (54) 1 2.05 3.05 54
Van Deman, Bill Tampa Bay Spearfishing 1.65 lbs. (55) 1 1.65 2.65 55
Rosenberger, Don MDC 1.20 lbs. (56) 1 1.20 2.20 56

Final Tallies – 461 fish harvested = 2,119 lbs. of fish.


Moderator's Edit: Please see this post for revised listing: http://spearboard.com/showpost.php?p=1258204&postcount=1

[dennishaussler]

Just to clarify,
WE had a judge on our boat. Our boat driver, who we had never met before arriving in ark, attended the necessary meetings, and was fully informed of all rules. He informed us that he would be enforcing all rules, and we did not push any limits with him.
As well, we waited 3 extra minutes before starting to dive, as we were parked next to Bradleys boat, and did not want any contestation of start dive time. I personally was out of the water 10 mnutes early, as the boat needed more fuel and I did not want to deal with it on the run across the lake in that squall.

I agree that the lack of judges was a problem, did anyone cheat due to it? I think not.
My problem was with the diver that decided he needed so resolve this issue 13 minutes before the start of the game. The best thing for him to have done, was file a protest after the meet, and argue his case. Phil did the best he could with what he had, and calling BS on the whole thing 13 minutes before we go off was not the way to handle it.

Anyone who has attended boat based meets before, knows things are hard to put together. I was in the keys in 99, when they decided to not only change the eligible fish species on the dock morning of the meet, but also start the game late.
Thats the way it goes boys, you pay your money and you take your chances.

As for why some divers took 100# on a team, and others next to nothing??? Well, its all about right place right time. I dove with two veterans of the comp world, Glen and Mike McGuire, and Glen could not buy a fish! You could be 30yds from your team mate, and be seeing fish, when he was staring at mud.

I can say there was NO cheating on my boat, and none on any others that I knew of, or heard about. I can also say, after being in the winners circle more than once, theres always guys saying someone cheated, thats pretty much the way its gonna be. If you think you have a case, pay your 50$ and file the protest.

[AQUA ASSASSIN]

CONGRATULATIONS DENNIS,MIKE,AND GLEN. Best man won,best team won bottom line. these guys put a ton of time into these events. If you want the same results put in the time and quit your bitchin.

[scubadown16]

I wasn't there. I have had my differences of opinion with all three guys (Mike M.,Dennis,and Glenn) at one time or another. But let me say this. I don't think for a second any of these guys need to cheat nor did they. Lets see I am sure they were there scouting for more then a week, All three have been Spearfishermen of the year, All three have been on the world team, All three have been diving all over the world in various conditions and know how to compete when the time is needed. Your talking about carp. With that said. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, just not their own facts... So unless you have some hard core prof I suggest you not make the accusations.

[oto_gc]

care to elaborate on this???????

If someone is going to make accusations, they need to be prepared to substantiate theyre claims, and back them up.
This was a non stop work out, and one of the hardest meets I have attended. I welcome any reports or questions on how the tournament went, and what happened on the winning team.

Be careful here.

Dennis, I don't know you personally but I know you and your team are excellent divers. I wasnt there, I did hear some complaints directly from guys that were in the tournament. Hopefully they will voice them if they are valid.

that's all, thanks for clarifying and congrats on the win

[dennishaussler]

Dennis, I don't know you personally but I know you and your team are excellent divers. I wasnt there, so like the other guy said, then I'm talking shit.
I did hear some complaints directly from guys that were in the tournament. Hopefully they will voice them if they are valid.

that's all, thanks for clarifying and congrats on the win

Thanks for that. Appreciate the honesty, and await someone coming forward if necessary.

[Les Sage]

FWIW,

Dennis stated his boat had a judge. I mentioned my boat had a judge. Phil Lamm informed me that the number two team also had a judge. So -- the winning three teams all had judges in their boat.

Les Sage

[joestl]

Dennis, was your fishing guide your judge? Did you have to pay him?

[dennishaussler]

Yes,
We did pay him for his time and boat use. I have to say, that the noise that was raised about judges, boat drivers and such, was made by divers that have never attended a national event before, and especially a boat based meet. This is not out of the perspective what happens at boat based meets, nor is it unusual. Also, it is not against the rules.

[Adelito]

actually dennis , all that "noise "was made by divers that have competed in various nationals. It probably sounded like "noise" because it isnt what you wanted to hear.

IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOU WIN OR LOSE, AS LONG AS YOU WIN OR LOSE BY THE SAME RULES.

At the end of the day, your still the champ, but its a shame you have to defend yourself on so many points which remain unclear.

As for paying $50 to protest, If someone has to cheat to beat me, I already won. I know many people that feel just like i do.

I did not have a judge on my boat, but i was expecting to have one, as it was stated in the meeting. But if i could have ,i would have bought (not brought) one too.

I Hope to see everyone in the keys next year.

[Rocky Mountain Spearo]

If someone has to cheat to beat me, I already won.

Are you suggesting that the 27 people that beat you cheated, but you still won? :lol:
Sotolongo, Adelito Long Fins 13.75 lbs. (21 ) 5 34.15 39.15 Final placement-28

[Adelito]

Are you suggesting that the 27 people that beat you cheated, but you still won? :lol:
Sotolongo, Adelito Long Fins 13.75 lbs. (21 ) 5 34.15 39.15 Final placement-28

thats the best you could dream up from everything i wrote....

I get beat all the time, doesnt bother me in the least.I was just dissapointed in how poorly the 2010 nationals were conducted. I have been to three, and of the three this has been the only one where ALOT of the competitors left unhappy regardless of performance. MAYBE IF YOU SHOWED UP TO ONE, you would understand, consider that an invite to the keys next year.

Re-read what I wrote, maybe it will click.....

[spearmen camo]

Sounds like CRH needs to put his money where his mouth is.

[Rocky Mountain Spearo]

You guys are freakin idiots. Did I say anywhere that I will beat you? No, I asked if you were suggesting that everyone cheated to beat you as you stated.
I know how big my dick is, I don't need a bowling trophy to prove it. Thanks for the offer though.
Chad

[jfjf]

thats the best you could dream up from everything i wrote....

I get beat all the time, doesnt bother me in the least.I was just dissapointed in how poorly the 2010 nationals were conducted. I have been to three, and of the three this has been the only one where ALOT of the competitors left unhappy regardless of performance. MAYBE IF YOU SHOWED UP TO ONE, you would understand, consider that an invite to the keys next year.

Re-read what I wrote, maybe it will click.....

I'm not going to join in the banter. I thought the tournament was run pretty well.

I admit that the failure to have sufficient observers for all boats was somewhat disappointing, but certainly not surprising. Spearfishing is not as big of a deal in Arkansas as in many coastal areas, so it is no wonder that there were not tons of qualified individuals who were willing to take a full day off from work (on a Thursday) to drive around on a boat (some with zero shade) in over 100 degree temperatures with a forecast for strong thunderstorms in the afternoon. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I suspect that the MDC and Phil Lamm did their best considering the resource constraints they had. Hell, they even got the MAYOR of the TOWN to be an observer! Since it seems that ALL the high scoring teams had observers aboard (please, correct me if I am wrong), it appears to me that there might have been some forethought in how the limited supply of observers were allocated?

Possibly this might have been a "better" arrangement than doing a totally random distribution which would have been likely to leave some high scoring teams with no observer; I'm not sure that if I were in charge, I would have done anything different in this regard.

Possibly there were other issues which I am completely unaware of which caused other competitors to be unhappy. If so, maybe they could provide some details, but general statements that the tournament was run poorly don't seem to be that productive.

[Adelito]

You guys are freakin idiots. Did I say anywhere that I will beat you? No, I asked if you were suggesting that everyone cheated to beat you as you stated.
I know how big my dick is, I don't need a bowling trophy to prove it. Thanks for the offer though.
Chad

no your an idiot, because that in no way is wat i said, and you must have a microscopic dick consideing all you do is run your mouth like alittle bitch. as for a trophy, you couldnt even buy one.

jfjf, please mention that this was your first nationals, and hace no basis for your opinion in comparison to other nationals events. And, you left out the fact that phil lam, the tournament director, was your driver/observer, which would be the basis for your opinion.

Running a nationals is hard, for sure, but if you put in a BID its cause you know what your doing, and ready to do it.

[sticknrelease]

Ok, so I'm not real big on using LOL, but i literally laughed out loud at reading this thread. Adelito, I have participated in 2 Freshwater Nationals, but never one that also substituted as a saltwater nationals, and my team placed 5th and 3rd, so please take my input as that of a novice.

There are a few things that seem to be going on here.

First, a question of competitors' integrity

Second, a question of the integrity of the observer/guide

Third, complaints about the organization of the meet

and Finally, angry people yelling at each other

I won't get into the last one, but as far as the first two, what sort of cheating would have put more fish into the boats of the winners? I know and have dove with several of these guys, and I can tell you that they know how to find and kill lots of big fish. Isn't there a public weigh in after the meet? If they had killed fish on a previous day, there would be signs that the fish were old. They shot a lot of fish. They shot big fish. They won.

The third item, the organization of the meet is something that we should all be very careful about criticizing. I have seen what it takes to put these meets together and it is a friggin' nightmare! If someone decides to organize a meet and nobody shows, they are screwed. If everyone that attends a meet complains, they won't have another meet. Then where will (as CRH so elegantly alluded) spearos measure their meat against one anothers?

I lose plenty of spearfishing tournaments, but I learn something at each one. What I learn is usually about fish, diving, competing, or people, but it makes me better for the next one. I usually do something else at tournaments, and that is have fun with other like minded individuals.

I think that the Spearmen Camo post is the best advice yet. Anyone that feels they are a better diver or spearo than those who won this year, start saving your pennies and plan on attending in 2011. If you are not satisfied with the way this year's tournament went, take it upon yourself to contact next year's organizers and help them make it better. Offer to sponsor with equipment, money, or time.

Good luck Dive Safe, and I am off my soap box.

[jfjf]

no your an idiot, because that in no way is wat i said, and you must have a microscopic dick consideing all you do is run your mouth like alittle bitch. as for a trophy, you couldnt even buy one.

jfjf, please mention that this was your first nationals, and hace no basis for your opinion in comparison to other nationals events. And, you left out the fact that phil lam, the tournament director, was your driver/observer, which would be the basis for your opinion.
Running a nationals is hard, for sure, but if you put in a BID its cause you know what your doing, and ready to do it.

Not sure I need to mention that it was my first Nationals, however I did serve as a boat driver for the Nationals that were held in Pompano some years ago. I have also attended a number of spearfsihing tournaments and have helped out in varying capacities with the tournaments that are associated with spearboard, so I have some perspective, I hope. :rolleyes:

And yes Phil Lamm was very generous and took us out on his boat for two days to scout and also drove (and observed for us) on tournament day. :thumps::thumps:

However, I'm not sure how these two issues relate to the validity of my comments. If you (or other people) are unhappy with the tournament (other than the observer issue), what are the complaints?
:confused::confused::confused:

[Adelito]

thank you for your biased opinion......you write very well if i wasnt there , i would think what you are saying is true...but like you said you have no clue of whats going on...

From begining to end that competition did not give the nationals the respect it deserves. It not just a competition, its a qualifying event , as i explained to justin personally.

if i want to just have fun, i'll go Dive like i normally do. if i want to do a fun tournament, ill do the southflorida freedivers tournaments, which all benefit sick children ....

the nationals is a competition for people that want to compete by the highest standards , against the nation best....

jfjfj, i didnt know you aré the complaint dept...but to name a few

1- unclear rules- we got two sets of rules for boating and fishing, and whenever there was a question"i'll get to that later"
2-no Fish Id-all we recieved was a booklet with some guy harvey wannabe drawings .
3-lack of jugdes
4-nobody on the beach to bag and tag Fish .... you cant have people sort Fish once the wiegh in begins...
5-timekeeper, you could have driven up an hour late no one would have noticed
6- unbalanced, untared scale.. so they wiegh in your biggest fish, but fail to figure out that 1 Fish may only give 21 points. (example)one persons big Fish was 24lb it got wieghed and accounted for 21 points. but that same competitor(s) may posses other 20lb + Fish giving them several extra points
7-wiegh in schedule- once Fish are bagged and tagged they can remain in the boat while the team has a wiegh in number, not take my Fish and let it sit out for 20-30 min in the heat...(not my case, i had a fish bag cooler for my team)
8- no one checked any boat at any time for any thing. i could have had 600lbs of fished stowed, no one the wiser.
9-(my favorite) the shotgun start was a guy waiving his arm to go. no air horn, no gun, not even a whistle.
10-you had to be 300ft from a dive flag, there where several teams dropping off divers in diffrent parts of the lake, granted they had bouys, but it was still not a dive flag on a boat. guess you would need a judge for that to have mattered.
11. No one ever asked for fishing licenses, driver safety courses,boat registration, etc....or no one really cared
12.I may have missed it, but was there a ruler on the wiegh in table?

There are a few more that i wish to keep private. but the list goes on.

[jfjf]

thank you for your biased opinion......you write very well if i wasnt there , i would think what you are saying is true...but like you said you have no clue of whats going on...

From begining to end that competition did not give the nationals the respect it deserves. It not just a competition, its a qualifying event , as i explained to justin personally.

if i want to just have fun, i'll go Dive like i normally do. if i want to do a fun tournament, ill do the southflorida freedivers tournaments, which all benefit sick children ....

the nationals is a competition for people that want to compete by the highest standards , against the nation best....

jfjfj, i didnt know you aré the complaint dept...but to name a few

1- unclear rules- we got two sets of rules for boating and fishing, and whenever there was a question"i'll get to that later"
2-no Fish Id-all we recieved was a booklet with some guy harvey wannabe drawings .
3-lack of jugdes
4-nobody on the beach to bag and tag Fish .... you cant have people sort Fish once the wiegh in begins...
5-timekeeper, you could have driven up an hour late no one would have noticed
6- unbalanced, untared scale.. so they wiegh in your biggest fish, but fail to figure out that 1 Fish may only give 21 points. (example)one persons big Fish was 24lb it got wieghed and accounted for 21 points. but that same competitor(s) may posses other 20lb + Fish giving them several extra points
7-wiegh in schedule- once Fish are bagged and tagged they can remain in the boat while the team has a wiegh in number, not take my Fish and let it sit out for 20-30 min in the heat...(not my case, i had a fish bag cooler for my team)
8- no one checked any boat at any time for any thing. i could have had 600lbs of fished stowed, no one the wiser.
9-(my favorite) the shotgun start was a guy waiving his arm to go. no air horn, no gun, not even a whistle.
10-you had to be 300ft from a dive flag, there where several teams dropping off divers in diffrent parts of the lake, granted they had bouys, but it was still not a dive flag on a boat. guess you would need a judge for that to have mattered.
11. No one ever asked for fishing licenses, driver safety courses,boat registration, etc....or no one really cared
12.I may have missed it, but was there a ruler on the wiegh in table?

There are a few more that i wish to keep private. but the list goes on.


WOW! If I had seen some of that occuring, I think I might have filed a complaint.

[Adelito]

WOW! If I had seen some of that occuring, I think I might have filed a complaint.

if that was sarcastic ,good Job!how do you file a complaint against the entire tournament? exactly....but again good Job with the sarcasm, its its what you do best

[bernard finnert]

To disparage the reputation of the names of the winning team and others without any proof is totally wrong ! These are not only champion divers but also are professionals in there everyday activities. You are attacking there credibility in all aspects of their lives . These men have established a reputation in there communities for honesty and in general good husbands and fathers. Also , all three have distinguished themselves over thirty years of numerous world records and winning national and local contest. You do not have to go to face book or you tube but just go to googles to see the reputation these men have established. As dennis haussler has stated, "be careful " by attacking these men without substantiated proof you are attacking there families and professions which they have worked hard over many years to established! Bernie (fin dog) finnerty

[Adelito]

fishing is the only thing i would dare speak of.

it would be impossible and wrong for me to ever speak of anyones family, and life outside of these events

everyone leads a life outside of this sport that is completely seperate and apart

a stringer of fish will never determine a mans will and capacity to provide and protect for his family, and even further more help people in need

dont be mistaken, i or anyone shouldnt dare take things past shoreline

i hope that clears that up

[harleydiver1]

thank you for your biased opinion......you write very well if i wasnt there , i would think what you are saying is true...but like you said you have no clue of whats going on...

From begining to end that competition did not give the nationals the respect it deserves. It not just a competition, its a qualifying event , as i explained to justin personally.

if i want to just have fun, i'll go Dive like i normally do. if i want to do a fun tournament, ill do the southflorida freedivers tournaments, which all benefit sick children ....

the nationals is a competition for people that want to compete by the highest standards , against the nation best....

jfjfj, i didnt know you aré the complaint dept...but to name a few

1- unclear rules- we got two sets of rules for boating and fishing, and whenever there was a question"i'll get to that later"
2-no Fish Id-all we recieved was a booklet with some guy harvey wannabe drawings .
3-lack of jugdes
4-nobody on the beach to bag and tag Fish .... you cant have people sort Fish once the wiegh in begins...
5-timekeeper, you could have driven up an hour late no one would have noticed
6- unbalanced, untared scale.. so they wiegh in your biggest fish, but fail to figure out that 1 Fish may only give 21 points. (example)one persons big Fish was 24lb it got wieghed and accounted for 21 points. but that same competitor(s) may posses other 20lb + Fish giving them several extra points
7-wiegh in schedule- once Fish are bagged and tagged they can remain in the boat while the team has a wiegh in number, not take my Fish and let it sit out for 20-30 min in the heat...(not my case, i had a fish bag cooler for my team)
8- no one checked any boat at any time for any thing. i could have had 600lbs of fished stowed, no one the wiser.
9-(my favorite) the shotgun start was a guy waiving his arm to go. no air horn, no gun, not even a whistle.
10-you had to be 300ft from a dive flag, there where several teams dropping off divers in diffrent parts of the lake, granted they had bouys, but it was still not a dive flag on a boat. guess you would need a judge for that to have mattered.
11. No one ever asked for fishing licenses, driver safety courses,boat registration, etc....or no one really cared
12.I may have missed it, but was there a ruler on the wiegh in table?

There are a few more that i wish to keep private. but the list goes on.

Now I am just sayin'...hears your sign:stupid:

** Give us your rendition of not just a competition but, a qualifying event.
1. 2 sets of rules...1 for boat...understandable...one for fishing (spearing)...understandable. It is your responsibility to ask and get an answer.
2. No fish ID.hmmm, it is your responsiblity to know the species. Perhaps you need an U/W helper pointing out what you can shoot.
3. Lack of judges..."chit" happens. Go with the flow and deal with it. You could have asked for a solution. Perhaps, random observers in separate boats checking.
4. Bag and tag fish...again, your responsibility for assuring that your fish are properly handled and submitted for weigh-in.
5. Timekeeper. Perhaps a bit lax but, then again most of these meets do not expect "babies" to be crying and most SERIOUS competitors are truly honorable and abide by the rules. Did you see someone come in late? If so it should have been addressed by you then.
6. There truly is no such thing as an unbalance or untared scale. The word you are looking for would be certified. This is not and I repeat is not a factor as long as everyone is being weighed on the same scale. This might only become a factor if there was a fish that assuredly might break a spearfishing record. Then a certified scale, witness and G&F, DOW or other agency would be required. Your ramble about fish, weight and points is babble and makes little sense.
7. Known as luck of the draw if your fish sit out and lose an ounce or two. Again, the responsibility of the shooter(s). Did you have your fish iced? Possible technicality for DQ in some areas/tournaments.
8. Honor system! Yes, anyone can cheat at anytime. Eventually they will get caught in some manner or the other. KARMA IS A BIOTCH! You sound as though you might have considered going to the fishy market and loading 600 pounds in your boat or perhaps you filled yours with pebbles........use big rocks next time and you might win...
9.WOW.never knew that a shotgun start required a horn, whistle or gun. Sounds like a few here would appreciated the gun up your where the sun does not shine...again, truly :stupid:
10. 300 feet from a dive flag..not sure of that rule. State law would take precedent but, I have seen tournament directors decrease or increase this rule. A standard size flag as mandated by specific State law should be enforced. What type of flag or marker did you use?
11. Pretty basic stuff. I think that it is common knowledge that a boat needs registered and a spearo needs a license with proper endorsements.
12. Why a ruler...did you want to measure and see if you grew down there?
Again, it is the spearos responsibility to measure and weigh-in a legal fish.

Quit complaining and get on board............offer your help! Learn to be a man...not a whiner. Grow a set and I personally will send you a ruler.

You insinuate cheating......perhaps there was......perhaps there always will be......perhaps there was none.

Do us all a favor...take up lawn darts unless you can be a true sportsman and provide FACTS. What are your other points that you want to keep private?

I have competed against Dennis & Mike McQuire....2009 Glendo, WY US Freshwater Nationals. They take it serious, They are tough competitors. They beat me and many others. Did we complain? NO! Most of us asked what they did, how they did it and what should we do next time to be better...and, we congratulated them...not as you have done by belittling the integrity of the sport, tournament & those competing as well as those providing you a place to compete.

I put on and host the COLORADO RIVER SERIES "CARPFEST" along the banks of the Colorado River here in Bullhead City, Arizona twice a year.

I personally invite you to be here Oct. 16th to see how good you are as a sportsman & shooter. I personally will pay your entry fee should you show up. I might even seriously consider a one on one competition with you if the $$$$ offer from you is good enough.

We have a shotgun start with a specified time and departure with a verbal announcement but, I will be happy to offer you a special starting incentive.

Now grow up or put up! Quit bashing others who are trying to protect your sport. There are hours of prep time that you likely have no clue of.

And, by the way should you decide to show up in Arizona...I am more than twice your age...out of shape and packing a real beer belly. Yet, I will show you kindness with offering you points before ever entering the water.

Please enlighten us with your future babbles. Preferably with facts.

Enjoy the moment for life is short.

Remember: bikers ride harder but, divers do it deeper! Except in your case:lol:

[Adelito]

I bet your another one of these little bitches that likes to run their mouth off about competitions they didn't go to. Remember everything it is you want to say, show up to Florida next year, and handle it then.

this competition was a piece of shit, if you have a problem with that to bad.

[harleydiver1]

I bet your another one of these little bitches that likes to run their mouth off about competitions they didn't go to. Remember everything it is you want to say, show up to Florida next year, and handle it then.

this competition was a piece of shit, if you have a problem with that to bad.

.....why be a PUNK. Protect your sport and help make it better.

Sorry if the truth & facts bother you.

Others have said that it could have been organized better but, why degrade a sport that you obviously love. Why not jump at the opportunity to help make them better in the future.

You are obviously not mature with your banter of negativity.

As for Florida.........you match my offer...........Pay my entry fee and lay down some serious $$$$$ and I would assuredly enjoy the moment...win or lose. Or, come to Arizona and we can do double or nothing.

Back in your pond............

[greekdiver]

Were do I place my bets for this contest? :toast:

[Rocky Mountain Spearo]

.....why be a PUNK.

Because thats what he is, no more, no less. Well you could probably throw douchelord in there too.......

[Austin]

For all the guys who are oblivious to the fact the the comp was a poorly organized event, please... if you were not there dont make an opinion on something you have no clue about.. As for the integrity of the competitiors at the comp the man who won is the champ no if or buts about it.. for all you guys trying to poke holes in Adels argument.. you guys would be excellent lawyers....I will remind myself to contact you all when I need logic and reason... come on down to the keys next year and participate in the nationals I sure it will be great fun!!!

[Adelito]

1. 2 sets of rules...1 for boat...understandable...one for fishing (spearing)...understandable. It is your responsibility to ask and get an answer.
ALOT OF US DID, AND WE WERE TOLD IT WOULD BE ADDRESSED LATER, TOLD TO "HOLD ON" BUT YOU DONT REMEMBER BECUASE YOU WERE N0T THERE.
2. No fish ID.hmmm, it is your responsiblity to know the species. Perhaps you need an U/W helper pointing out what you can shoot.
IN EVERY NATIONATALS I HAVE BEEN TO, THEY HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO PRESENT THE COMPETITORS WITH ACTUAL PICTURES OF THE SPECIES ELIGIBLE IN THE COMPETITION. ALL EXCEPT THIS ONE.
3. Lack of judges..."chit" happens. Go with the flow and deal with it. You could have asked for a solution. Perhaps, random observers in separate boats checking. I KNOW YOUR 5TH GRADE READING LEVEL DOESNT AFFORD YOU THE ABILITYTO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE THINGS I WRITE, BUT IN ANOTHER POST I CLEARLY EXPLAIN THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT EXISTED. SOME COMPETITORS SHOWED UP TO THE COMPETITION WITH THIER JUDGES. EXPLAIN THAT?AND YES SHIT DOES HAPPEN, IN THIS CASE THE SHIT WAS THE COMPETITION.
4. Bag and tag fish...again, your responsibility for assuring that your fish are properly handled and submitted for weigh-in. ABSOLUTELY NOT, MY RESPONSIBILITY IS TO SHOOT FISH. THERE SHOULD BE NO LEAD WAY INTO HAVING COMPETITORS WISELY DIVIDE FISH. IN THE LAST TWO NATIONALS I HAVE HAD TOURNAMENT OFFICIALS LITERALLY TAKE THE FISH OUT OF MY KAYAK, AND SET THEM UP FOR THE WEIGH IN. AGAIN THIS WAS EXPLAINED IN DETAIL IN ANOTHER POST.
5. Timekeeper. Perhaps a bit lax but, then again most of these meets do not expect "babies" to be crying and most SERIOUS competitors are truly honorable and abide by the rules. Did you see someone come in late? If so it should have been addressed by you then. HOW WOULD YOU PRETEND TO BE "SERIOUS" WHEN YOU ARE KNOWINGLY NOT OBSERVING RULES? I WOULD HAVE BEEN CRYING IF I WOULD HAVE BEEN MAKING A BIG DEAL ABOUT IT. ITS NOT MY JOB TO KEEP THE ORDER OF THE COMPETITION. ARE NBA PLAYERS IN CHARGE OF CALLING FOULS? BASEBALL PLAYERS BALLS/STRIKES, SAFE OR OUTS? NO, I DIDNT THINK SO.
6. There truly is no such thing as an unbalance or untared scale. The word you are looking for would be certified. This is not and I repeat is not a factor as long as everyone is being weighed on the same scale. This might only become a factor if there was a fish that assuredly might break a spearfishing record. Then a certified scale, witness and G&F, DOW or other agency would be required. Your ramble about fish, weight and points is babble and makes little sense. OK, MAYBE YOUR JUST AN IDIOT AND I SHOULD FEEL SORRY FOR YOU AND NOT MATCH MY OBVIOUSLY SUPERIOR EDUCATION AGAINST YOUR BACKWOODS BOOK LEARNING, BUT BALANCE, TARE, AND CERTIFICATION ARE ALL DIFFERENT THINGS. IF YOU PLACE AND OBJECT ON A SCALE, AND TARE THE WIEGHT, THE SCALE WILL READ ZERO.IF A SCALE IS BALANCE IT WILL READ ONE, CONSTITENT WIEGHT. IF THE SCALE RANGES "TIPS" MEANING IT RUNS FROM HIGH TO LOW, BACK AND FORTH, AND YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT THE WIEGHT IS, AGAIN ITS NOT BALANCED. CERTIFICATION IS NOT NECESSARY, AS I KNOW ITS EXPENSIVE, BUT THERE WAS ONCE NEAR WORLD RECORD FISH SHOT AT THE COMPETITION, AND IF I WAS THAT COMPETITIOR I WOULD HAVE USED ANOTHER SCALE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
7. Known as luck of the draw if your fish sit out and lose an ounce or two. Again, the responsibility of the shooter(s). Did you have your fish iced? Possible technicality for DQ in some areas/tournaments. IN A COMPETITION WHERE OUNCES CAN DETERMINE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MUTLIPLE PLACES, LUCK OF THE DRAW SHOULDNT BE PART OF THE EQUATION. AND I COMPETED UNDER EVERY TOURNAMENT RULE, YOU REMEMBER? NO, THATS RIGHT YOU WERE NOT THERE.
8. Honor system! Yes, anyone can cheat at anytime. Eventually they will get caught in some manner or the other. KARMA IS A BIOTCH! You sound as though you might have considered going to the fishy market and loading 600 pounds in your boat or perhaps you filled yours with pebbles........use big rocks next time and you might win... I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT TO INSULT ME, AND SOUND CONDECENDING, BUT YOU ARE ACTING LIKE AN ASSHOLE, AND LOSING CREDIBILITY BY THE LETTER.
9.WOW.never knew that a shotgun start required a horn, whistle or gun. Sounds like a few here would appreciated the gun up your where the sun does not shine...again, truly :stupid:
"SHOTGUN START", WOW I WONDER WHERE THAT NAME CAME FROM? MAYBE FIRING OFF A SHOTGUN TO MAKE A LOUD NOISE, AND SIGNAL EVERYONE TO THE START OF THE EVENT? ITS KIND OF LIKE THE HORN ON THAT SMALL YELLOW BUS THAT USED TO PICK YOU UP FROM THAT SPECIAL SCHOOL YOU WENT TO....REMEMBER?
10. 300 feet from a dive flag..not sure of that rule. State law would take precedent but, I have seen tournament directors decrease or increase this rule. A standard size flag as mandated by specific State law should be enforced. What type of flag or marker did you use? I USED AN OVERSIZED 36X36 INCH FLAG TO TRY AND KEEP ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE LAKE THAT HAD A BUDWIESER BREAKFAST BUFFET FROM KILLING ME. THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE WAS THAT WE HAD TO REMAIN INSIDE OF 300FT FROM A FLAG, AND THERE WERE TEAMS DROPPING PEOPLE OFF ALL OVER THE PLACE. MAYBE IF A JUDGE WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE TO SEE IT, I WOULDNT BE EXPLAINING IT TO YOU.
11. Pretty basic stuff. I think that it is common knowledge that a boat needs registered and a spearo needs a license with proper endorsements. AND TOURNAMENT OFFICIALS NEED TO MAKE SURE OF THAT
12. Why a ruler...did you want to measure and see if you grew down there?
Again, it is the spearos responsibility to measure and weigh-in a legal fish. NO, ITS THE TOURNAMENTS. AND THEY DIDNT TO THAT.
I WAS TRYING TO BE CLASSY, BUT THATS NOT REALLY AN OPTION WITH YOU. I MIGHT GO TO ARIZONA, AND HAVE YOUR GRANDDAUGHTERS SUCK IT, AND IT MIGHT GROW THEN. ATLEAST IF THERE AS GOOD AS GRANDPA.
Quit complaining and get on board............offer your help! Learn to be a man...not a whiner. Grow a set and I personally will send you a ruler.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TEST MY MANHOOD, NAME A TIME AND PLACE.

You insinuate cheating......perhaps there was......perhaps there always will be......perhaps there was none. YOU WOUDLNT KNOW, YOU WERE NOT THERE

Do us all a favor...take up lawn darts unless you can be a true sportsman and provide FACTS. What are your other points that you want to keep private? UNLIKE YOU THATS RUNS AROUND BLABBING THIER MOUTH ON THE INTERNET, I TAKE THINGS UP IN PERSON. IF YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN A COMPETITOR, THEN YOU COULD POSSIBLY DESERVE AN ANWSER.

I have competed against Dennis & Mike McQuire....2009 Glendo, WY US Freshwater Nationals. They take it serious, They are tough competitors. They beat me and many others. Did we complain? NO! Most of us asked what they did, how they did it and what should we do next time to be better...and, we congratulated them...not as you have done by belittling the integrity of the sport, tournament & those competing as well as those providing you a place to compete. GOOD I'M GLAD THAT YOU HAVE SOMEONE TO LOOK UP TO.

I put on and host the COLORADO RIVER SERIES "CARPFEST" along the banks of the Colorado River here in Bullhead City, Arizona twice a year. GOOD FOR YOU!:thumps:

I personally invite you to be here Oct. 16th to see how good you are as a sportsman & shooter. I personally will pay your entry fee should you show up. I might even seriously consider a one on one competition with you if the $$$$ offer from you is good enough. A GUY LIKE YOU DOESNT DESERVE TO COMPETE WITH ME, NOR WILL I STOOP SO LOW. I ALREADY MADE YOU AND OFFER, IF YOUR A MAN YOU KEEP THE DETAILS BETWEEN US, IF YOUR A REAL MAN YOU TAKE IT. I WILL PAY FOR YOUR ENTIRE TEAMS ENTRY FEE FOR THE 2011 FLORIDA NATIONALS, AND IF YOU MAKE CRH YOUR TEAMMATE I WILL SWEETEN THE DEAL.

We have a shotgun start with a specified time and departure with a verbal announcement but, I will be happy to offer you a special starting incentive. I SAY YOU PUT THE SHOTGUN IN YOUR MOUTH, THEN I MIGHT SHOW UP FOR THE START.

Now grow up or put up! Quit bashing others who are trying to protect your sport. There are hours of prep time that you likely have no clue of. I RESPECT EVERYONE THAT RESPECTS ME, BUT WHEN PEOPLE TRY AND INSULT MY INTELLEGIANCE , I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT. I PROMOTE THIS SPORT TO AN EXTENT OF WHICH YOU DONT KNOW. I AM NOT ON TRIAL, BUT IF I HAD PUBLICLY DEFEND MYSELF OF YOUR ACCUSATIONS, I MIGHT END UP WITH AN AWARD.

And, by the way should you decide to show up in Arizona...I am more than twice your age...out of shape and packing a real beer belly. Yet, I will show you kindness with offering you points before ever entering the water. KEEP YOUR "KINDNESS" TO YOURSELF, I LIKE WOMEN, NO OFFENSE. BUT, I WOULDNT BE CAUGHT DEAD GIVING YOU OR ANYONE LIKE YOU THE CHANCE. YOUR BEHAVIOR LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE NO PLACE IN THIS SPORT.

Please enlighten us with your future babbles. Preferably with facts. I WISH TO NEVER HAVE TO DEAL WITH YOU, OR AGAIN ANYONE LIKE YOU.

Enjoy the moment for life is short.

Remember: bikers ride harder but, divers do it deeper! Except in your case:lol:[/QUOTE]

YOU ARE SUCH A CLASSY, SOPHISTICATED, INTELLEGANT PERSON. WHICH WAS MADE SO EVIDENT BY YOUR COMMENTS PROVING SO UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT YOU HAVE NO SENSE OF TRUTH, RIGHT TO OPINE, OR MATURITY AT YOUR LATER STAGE OF LIFE.

[Adelito]

because thats what he is, no more, no less. Well you could probably throw douchelord in there too.......

2011 usoa spearfishing nationals in the florida keys



show up bitch.

[jfjf]

...... I WILL PAY FOR YOUR ENTIRE TEAMS ENTRY FEE FOR THE 2011 FLORIDA NATIONALS, AND IF YOU MAKE CRH YOUR TEAMMATE I WILL SWEETEN THE DEAL.[/COLOR]


Damn! I thought you were pissed at me too. :rolleyes::rolleyes: What do I need to do to get an offer like this. :lol::lol:

[jfjf]

Adelito:

I also thought that the tournament could have been better staffed, better organized and it would have been desirable to have judges on every boat. I also thought that there were some obvious lapses in "security" in association with the landing of the fish on the beach at the end of the tournament and their placement into individual burlap bags. If there was a time to cheat, this was when it might have been attempted.

On the other hand, the event had a limited staff of volunteers and a strong storm with lightening had just passed, so this might have also affected the logistics of their operation. I remember people taking pictures with stringers of fish in the shallow water on the beach (rather than immediately bagging them) and it made me nervous. Not because I thought that they were cheating, but because I was worried that somebody ELSE might bitch about it. Since I personally had such a low score, it had no affect on me, but I honestly think there were many eyes on the people with the big stringers and I saw nothing that made me suspicious of any competitor. There were a lot of eyes on those guys... You know, this ain't the NBA with professional officials getting paid over $100,000 to make sure the game is played right

As for most of your other complaints... blah, blah, blah .. They gave us very nice booklets with photos of fish at one of the meetings before the tournament. I got mine.

As for them not having a ruler at the weigh in, That is untrue. Phil Lamb the director had a solid board with an inlaid ruler on his boat and I PERSONALLY carried it from the boat up to the weigh in table, per his request.

If the scales were not being operated properly, then you should have voiced your opinion there, at a time when your complaints could have been addressed, but not much anyone can do about it now.

As for the tournament officials not checking fishing liscences for each individual or boat registration etc. Who really cares, we were REQUIRED to have it, if you suspected somebody of not following these basic rules than you should have complained, but I really see no reason to bitch about this petty stuff after the fact. Were you hoping that a few DQ's would improve your standings?

Perhaps the biggest disappointment I had with the entire event (after my low score) was the PARADE! Damn I wanted a parade with fire trucks, cheerleaders, giant floats, maybe a few giant hot-air CARP ballons, etc.

Is that why you seem so disappointed, were you looking for something to REALLY accent the importance of a NATIONAL Competition in Arkansas?? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Adelito]

Adelito:

I also thought that the tournament could have been better staffed, better organized and it would have been desirable to have judges on every boat. I also thought that there were some obvious lapses in "security" in association with the landing of the fish on the beach at the end of the tournament and their placement into individual burlap bags. If there was a time to cheat, this was when it might have been attempted.

On the other hand, the event had a limited staff of volunteers and a strong storm with lightening had just passed, so this might have also affected the logistics of their operation. I remember people taking pictures with stringers of fish in the shallow water on the beach (rather than immediately bagging them) and it made me nervous. Not because I thought that they were cheating, but because I was worried that somebody ELSE might bitch about it. Since I personally had such a low score, it had no affect on me, but I honestly think there were many eyes on the people with the big stringers and I saw nothing that made me suspicious of any competitor. There were a lot of eyes on those guys... You know, this ain't the NBA with professional officials getting paid over $100,000 to make sure the game is played right

As for most of your other complaints... blah, blah, blah .. They gave us very nice booklets with photos of fish at one of the meetings before the tournament. I got mine.

As for them not having a ruler at the weigh in, That is untrue. Phil Lamb the director had a solid board with an inlaid ruler on his boat and I PERSONALLY carried it from the boat up to the weigh in table, per his request.

If the scales were not being operated properly, then you should have voiced your opinion there, at a time when your complaints could have been addressed, but not much anyone can do about it now.

As for the tournament officials not checking fishing liscences for each individual or boat registration etc. Who really cares, we were REQUIRED to have it, if you suspected somebody of not following these basic rules than you should have complained, but I really see no reason to bitch about this petty stuff after the fact. Were you hoping that a few DQ's would improve your standings?

Perhaps the biggest disappointment I had with the entire event (after my low score) was the PARADE! Damn I wanted a parade with fire trucks, cheerleaders, giant floats, maybe a few giant hot-air CARP ballons, etc.

Is that why you seem so disappointed, were you looking for something to REALLY accent the importance of a NATIONAL Competition in Arkansas?? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

again, you wiping ass, because the tournament director was your judge/boatcaptain/buttbuddy

[Adelito]

I will comment no more on this competition, my focus is already on the next one.

IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, SAY IT IN FLORIDA AT THE 2011 NATIONALS.

[jfjf]

again, you wiping ass, because the tournament director was your judge/boatcaptain/buttbuddy

Nice!!! :toast:

Finish up your little tirade by calling the tournament director a homosexual. That should help your argument.:rolleyes:

[Adelito]

and you too