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IyaDiver
09-30-2004, 10:40 AM
Been close to a year since I last posted.

My spearfishing adventure this year sucks big time. Nothing worthy landed after Febuary this year. Either there are no fish or weather been bad. I know Florida area is at the worst this few months, my place is nothing of that sort but just not very dive able.

As usual, I went to my favourite sea mount. I am beginning to see the pattern now. If the current comes from the bay area, which means it comes from actually deeper water but polluted, chances of seeing a fish is low. If I do see a fish, it is either too deep at 160 feet and more, or I am un-able to get close to it. This side of the sea mount is about 250 feet bottom, everytime I spot a fish and make a chase it simply sounds deep. I never had good success with this current direction.

That last week of February, the current came from the open ocean and hits the shallower bottom of the sea mount which is 175 feet at the most. This is so far the most productive part of the sea mount. Since the bottom is at 175 feet, when I am at 150 feet, I could already see the sandy bottom and could spot dog tooth tuna from a distance if the viz iz decent. At this area, the doggie loves to hoover just 5-10 feet from the bottom. I can almost always spot the white obvious marking on its tail if seen from above.

If I recall correctly, out of 5 dives, only the 3rd and the last 5th dive was productive. Typical of this place, fishes don't hang around the whole day here. It can be barren at times, it can be beautiful at times. My log showed me that at least, late afternoon after 3PM has always been good, if there are fishes there.

There I was on the third dive waiting at 140 feet, trying to save some bottom time. I kept looking down at the sandy bottom at 175 feet, I could see it all white. Some distance away I saw the shape of a doggie, cruising close to the bottom coming below me from my right. I kicked hard to intercept it at about 160 feet, it sensed me coming and it pass below me with a bit of extra acceleration, now it is on my left side and going away. This is why I like this part of the sea mount, no fish can go deeper than the bottom at 175 feet.

I figure I am about 20 feet away from the Doggie and some 10 feet above it. I aimed and fired !! The shaft hit the back of the doggie and my reel was paying out lines. The parachute float was pulled away from its strap but the C02 did not fire !!! Ohh shit, I thought. If that doggie were to swim further down and make a left, it will be at the very place I lost my previous MT3. That side leads to the deeper side of the sea mount. Luck was with me, the doggie made a U turn and head back to an area I called Cul-De-Sac. I have at least another 150 feet distance before it reaches the Cul-Se-Sac and again access the deeper part of the sea mount. The shallow 175 feet part of this sea mount is only a stretch of 200 or so feet of sandy bottom, the rest are the deeper side. The parachute float works well with or without the C02 filling its bladder, its shape slows down the doggie a great deal. It create such a drag, even I can't retrieve it underwater, it is a pain to pull.

My reel was spent like only some 50 or so feet. I need to get to my parachute float at the end of the cable shooting line to see why it didn't fire. This float is only good if the fish swims a bit fast, if the fish slows down, it will collapse since there is no air in the bladder to retain shape. I threw my gun and trailed the reel line to the fish. I was swimming not only with my fins but a lot with my hands pulling on the reel line. I find swimming while pulling along a stout object with our hands is actually less tiring and produced good speed. I came closer and closer to my float and found out that the activation line was entangled on the C02 activator body, no wonder it could not fire. So I manually pulled the activator levers and both C02 fired.

The fish was already too tired from dragging me and the float around a bit, with the expansion of the air bladder of the float, the doggie simply could not fight anymore. The doggie and my gun went to the surface, I stayed below to assist a friend who was fighting with his GT. His reel was already spooled out and he could only do a last resort tactic, wrap his reel line to the rock...:p
He was unlucky as his GT went to the 250 feet side of the sea mount and he himself was already at 120 feet. He has no float, so rocks it is for him as alternative. I told him to check his air, he was all excited because this is his first big GT and he is quite a new spearo for fishes above 20lbs. I could not see where his fish was, it was too deep. We waited a while and managed to pull the fish from the deep. It was not pulling very hard anymore, probably have lost too much blood. The Kevlar reel line really could take abuse on the rocks.

I told him to swim to the surface and I was watching his every move, I don't want him to collapse from over exertion. For some reason, when I don't have a gun on my hand my breathing becomes so relaxed and felt so akwardly calm.

We both made it to the surface, safe & sound.
Here is his Giant Trevaly. I can't find the digital file on it, I only can take photo of the printed photo, so resolution is bad. My scanner is out of action.

IyaDiver
09-30-2004, 10:49 AM
Here is my friend posing with my first Doggie of the day.
I don't know the weight, it is a mid size and definitely not exceeding 40lbs..... I think.

This friend of mine will dive the sea mount without his speargun. He doesn't like fighting fish below 120 feet, anyway he has no reel and no float and thus he doesn't want loosing his speargun

PatMyGreen
09-30-2004, 11:54 AM
Awesome!!! Welcome back to the Board.

Steel Shootin'
09-30-2004, 12:08 PM
I love them doggie stories, and hearing about the GT, too. Great stuff, Iya.

IyaDiver
09-30-2004, 12:26 PM
It was the last dive, the 5th. 1st, 2nd & 4th saw no action.
Somehow this Febuary the viz was good and the current direction still maintained in my favourite direction. I hang at the very place I hanged out at during the 3rd dive, 140 feet hoping to find another passing by doggie.

I still have this funny feeling if those giants grouper will ever make a come back and swallow me from behind. Ever since it swallowed my 30lbs doggie and towed my gun, I have been very weary and keep looking out at my back...:mad:

I spotted a few doggies below close to the bottom, again coming from the right or the Cul-De-Sac area, but the size is similiar to my first doggie of the day. I hesitated to intercept, I must find a bigger one, this is a last dive of the day. Suddenly some shape appeared on my right but not at the bottom, it was only 10 feet below me, again coming from my right side. At that stage I was too excited and the doggie sensed my abrupt movement of the gun and probably pull its handbrake and skidded 180 degrees going away to the right, instead of following its path to the left.
It also dove deeper. I kicked as hard as possible. I was using my new Mares Quattro Power full foot fin, it helped me to accelerate fast from a stand still. Much better than the, three channel Mares full foot. I was given a top view by this doggie, I managed to aim for the mid body where it is thickest. I know this doggie is much bigger than previous and I was loosing distance. However my experience shooting 45 degrees below add good distance to my 3/8" shaft. I fired anyway.

The shaft entered where I aimed and it throttled to maximum speed. I was in disbelieve, my C02 did not fire again !!! What is wrong with me today ??:confused:. I know the parachute slowed down the fish but at this huge size it is just a matter of buying a little time before it will pull me to the deeper part of the sea mount and I will have to throw my gun again. My reel was spent like a 100 feet with 50 feet left. I dare not swim to the float and try to activate by manual the CO2 firing mechanism, too risky at this fish size. The doggie hit bottom and started sending sand clouds, gee this is new, I thought only GT does that ? My only hope was to find a curvature on the rocks to allow my Kevlar line to get rubbed and create extra drag. At this depth, there is no small enough rock where I can make a full circle on it to lock the line down. I was desperate, if the doggie were ever to come to my direction and the reel line went limp, I will have no more friction with the rocks.

It did come my way but at the bottom, somehow it made a circle at the bottom, there is no rock there....what is it making a circle on ? The the doggie stop moving, it must have been overworked. I felt relieve and dared to swim away from the rock. I could not see clearly what is going on at the bottom 35 feet below. I tugged my reel line and it was anchor solid....Ohhhh shit !!!

Then my computer beeped me a 3 minute deco.......DAMN !!! I had only 750 psi at 140 feet. This is usually enough if I am not stressed. I made a rough calculation. 175 feet bottom, my reel is only +-150 feet and my shooting line is about +-29 feet . I have barely enough line to surface with this speargun. I can't let go of my gun, this is the last dive, no more tanks left on board and it was getting dark. I have deco to do and low air supply and I was all too excited. Looks like I will loose my gun again. This MT3 is so heavy, it will not float very well, not with it trailing a reel line all the way to the bottom, even in mild current.

I kept tugging my reel line hoping to break loose from the fish flesh and at least keep my shaft, reel line and the gun. I was tempted to cut the reel line and forget about it, shooting cable, shaft and Ice Pick but if the fish don't tangle very much and shorten my shooting line, I could make it the gun to the surface, I have spare 5 feet. I made it to 10 feet my deco depth, somehow I was ascending too slowly from 140 feet and accumulated a total of 5 minutes deco by then. I took my sausage/surface marker, I did not have the C02 powered one with me. I have the usual open bottom surface marker, this one comes with a thin 25 feet line. I was looking at my air supply, it was almost gone empty. I can't waste air inflating this marker with my regulator, so I inflated it with my used exhalation. It works, now the gun floats nicely on the surface and I have three more minutes of deco to go with a dying tank.

The only think I could do was close my eyes and really breath easy, somehow closing my eyes relaxed me a great deal and hoping I can make the complete deco stop. The reg was getting heavier and heavier. Finally the reg died on me and I did a very slow exhalation while climbing so very slowy from the 10 feet to the surface. I surfaced only to find my computer SOS on me at 1 minute left. I stop carrying Spare Air a long time ago, I wished I had one. I don't fear SOS of 1 minute but it is not discipline.

I shouted to the boat boys to throw the boat fender. I regretted I was not wearing a snorkel. I inflated my BCD orally and send it away for the boat boy to collect. I dove down to the gun, tied the fender rope on the reel line and cut the gun free of the reel line.

So I got my gun back and my shooting line is floating save. Now I have to wait for other divers. Some minutes later they pop out. I asked one friend who witnessed my fish being stuck on something on the bottom. I asked him, there is no rock there, what caused the entanglement ? He said he saw a 1/2" orange plastic rope that entangle the fish.

DAMN !!! That very rope was placed at the sea mount a long time ago with 2 of 55lbs welded steel weight to fight big fish before I had the parachute float !! Now it is working against me !! The day was getting dark. There was one used tank with 1700psi or air. My friend wanted to dive down to 175 feet and cut off the rope, I told him now way. It is not worth risking deco time, safety and it was so dark below there by now. I told them, let's pull the reel line, it is a 1000 lbs Kevlar. It it breaks, it breaks and we go home. If we can raise the fish, parachute and 110 lbs worth of steel weight, we are then lucky.

We put on our gloves and started to work. The fish won't budge. So I tied down the Kevlar line to the boat's mooring cleats. I throttle bit by bit.......it then started to move.... YIPEEE !!! So I got the boat to be directly on top of the line, this way it won't hit the rocks and create extra drag. 5 people worked together to pull up the reel line bit by bit. I remembered that this orange rope is a combination of 130 feet + 100 feet + 130 feet, we should be able to surface the 55lbs x 2 weights if there is no entanglement.
It was a pain pulling such thin line with loading in excesss 100 pounds dead weight. The Kevlar was so tight, it can make a guitar kind of sound when you play with your fingers. Now the dead fish and the 110 lbs weight acts like anchor for the boat. The wave and wind kept pushing the boat away. I thought the Kevlar line will break anytime now. Finally, I am looking at my black shooting cable coming up over the gunnwale....YES !!!
....another 29 feet more to go. We pulled and pulled again with renewed energy. Almost half way it got stuck, it will not budge. We kept trying and it just can't be pulled up. This time I took on a tank and dove down to see what is wrong. The water was so dark by now and my 24hr back up torch was very dim. I studied what entangled the fish. I could see the fish, it was huge between 70-80lbs. Somehow I spot the problem. The doggie made three complete twist over the yellow rope and the whole weight of this rig was upon the shaft's loading tab. No wonder it could never break loose. I studied the problem slowly in the dark and set to cut the orange rope. I kept my body as far away as possible. There is one of 55lbs steel weight ready to drag me to the bottom if I ever get entangled.

I cut the orange rope and the fish shoot up to the surface and the weights sinks like a missile to the depths. Never imagine I could ever retrieve this fish..... in tact. The strength and durability of Kevlar 1000lbs has been proven once again.

By the time the fish was on the boat, everyone....divers and crew had sore hands. I had no energy to take my camera out. It was dark too and this fish did not exceed my PB. We reached the pier 2 hours after dark.

The C02 did not fire on the float because I accidentally placed used cylinders on it......stupid me !! Two failures in one day !!

This is one fish which everyone in the boat had fun with, at least everyone fights for it. We had a quick dinner and drove back the 4 hours car journey. The next day at lunch the fish was served for 30 over people at a friend's place........it was an awesome ending. Too bad no photo guys....:D

Nikki
09-30-2004, 12:26 PM
So nice to hear another story from you Iya! We missed your stories from the other side of the world! Welcome back :D

biggsy
09-30-2004, 04:25 PM
Great story, welcome back!

IyaDiver
10-01-2004, 03:27 AM
Glad u all like it, it was heck of a fun for us pulling the reel line in like that.

I have a 5 days trip on October 23rd to a remote location where there is atoll that pops out from sea bed of 3,000 feet. The atoll is only 3/4 mile wide. Supposedly this place has lots of doggies in the 100lbs class......YUM YUM. I have seen fishing photos and they caught funny looking fishes, must be very deep water species. There are also doggies on the photo but none above 50lbs.

A few people I know had been there and very satisfied. The dive guide almost guarantees me that I will find monster size Doggies. The only problem here is that, it is a wall dive and the bottom even closest from the atoll is pitless deep. Hammerheads also frequent this area.....uh uh, I hate that.

The place is 800 miles by flight from my city and another 60 miles to open ocean. I will be based in an island 30 miles from the atoll.

If all goes well, weather turns beautiful as predicted and fishes as good as what people claimed, Spearboard will get a "one-kind-of-story" ....... :D

This place is also suitable for freediving due to the clear water. I will try a bit, if there are worthy fishes in the first 30 feet layer.

Later Guys.......
IYA

kitefisherman
10-01-2004, 05:35 AM
Iya, good to have you back! I think that your stories are getting better. I imagine that that GT was quite a trophy for your friend. The Hawaiians call them ulua, and I've heard that they are among the hardest fighting fish.

I haven't completely given up on coming out there to hunt with you. I hope that I make it some day. Until then, at least I have your stories. :)

Speargun
10-01-2004, 09:55 AM
Welcome back Iya!!!
Kite is right. Your stories just keep getting better.

IyaDiver
10-01-2004, 11:55 AM
Hi Kite & Speargun,

Pulling dead weight of 100 + lbs on a thin line sure makes a good story....;)

GT or Ulua is common in my country, as with all kind of Jacks/Trevally. Within the area I hunt, the only jack we don't have common is probably Amberjack. Seen small ones rarely and always under 15lbs, but nothing like those giants you see in America. If we go to the eastern Indonesia like Bali where the water gets cooler when Australia is having winter, Amberjack of good size can be found.

Ulua puts a good fight indeed. When I line fish for them, weight for weight it's fighting quality is like a yellowfin tuna with less the speed but with a hobby of getting to rocks to cut fishing line. When I was using my woody JBL long time ago, I had it equipt with the Tri-Cut detachable. The detachable had a cable. I shot at a 50lbs GT, somehow the shaft got stuck on the wreck. So it was spearhead detachable cable ( I think 400 lbs cable or so ) against its power. The cable snapped in the middle, instead at the crimp. Amazing power of pull. It also has a thick skin, this skin helps landing the fish actually.

Yellowfin tuna has a bit of thin skin, doggies has edible soft skin like spanish mackerel. Meat againts meat hardness, it is easier to puch a shaft thru a doggie than into a GT. On its forehead, a GT is skull hard like a rock. This fish in my area can be found even in the shallows. It loves to hang out where a wave hits a rock and water foam/bubbles are abundant.

Here is a small +-35 pounder GT which I shot from extreme distance while the fish was fleeing, giving me a 6 o'clock angle. My slip tip only penetrated between its skin and meat. Even then the skin held with out tearing while it takes me for a short 100 feet roller coaster ride. This ia also the reason I like Riffe Ice Pick slip tip. It is not as easily penetrating like an Alexander tri-cut but the mess it made is so little.

IyaDiver
10-01-2004, 12:10 PM
Here is a bigger GT which my friend caught very recently. To date this is the biggest GT my group of friends land within my city hunting area. In some parts of Indonesia, it can grow even bigger !!!

Taken in shallow water of 60 feet. MT4 with reel, no float, so resort to the proven tactic of wrapping reel line to rocks again.....:D.... he was tired of getting towed around.

This dude is also a lucky SOB who found a Yellowfin Tuna of 22lbs in a school of 50 or so, in the same area. I been to this place for like 10 years and never seen a YF tuna, the topography is just not for YF tuna and this dude got one, even though it is small, it is a YF tuna. YF tuna is still a dream fish for me......:(

IyaDiver
10-01-2004, 12:15 PM
Kite,

If this remote destination I am going to this October proves good, you should come over and we will head back there. I was told April and October is good. However this year the weather been rather unpredictable. Will let you know the trip report.

Slay Ride
10-01-2004, 02:08 PM
Great to have you back Iya. Awesome stories. I hope to have some to share of my own when the wind ever stops blowing.

Les

Spearooo
10-01-2004, 02:30 PM
these updates were worth the wait.....:D