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Ramon

01-31-2012, 11:00 PM

A large notice in against marauding pirates XXI century,Justice operates in USA :thumbsup2:

Justice requires Odyssey to return the treasure to Spain
The U.S. Supreme Court has rejected the allegations of the company must deliver the loot

EP / MADRID U.S. Justice has ruled on Tuesday in favor of Spain in the so-called 'case Odyssey' and, consequently, the company must return the treasure hunters treasure frigate Nuestra Señora de las Mercedes' to our country, as Europa Press reported to the Ministry of Culture.

In a decision against which no appeal lies, the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected allegations made by Odyssey Marine Exploration to the decision of the Court of Appeals in Atlanta last November to order the return of the treasure Spain.

After learning this decision, the Ministry of Culture expressed his "satisfaction" with this ruling, which marks the return to Spain of a collection of 500,000 coins found in 2007 in the frigate Nuestra Señora de las Mercedes'.

The return of the treasure of 14 tons of silver and gold must be made effective within ten days from the Department led by José Ignacio Wert is currently studying the most appropriate procedure for this. The treasure remains guarded in Florida and from the Spanish government is committed to a transfer method to ensure their preservation in the best conditions of safety.

The decision of the United States Supreme Court, against which no appeal, dismissed the allegations of Odyssey considering that the Spanish frigate is a ship of state and not a merchant ship. The treasure-hunting company purported to show that the vessel was on a military mission at the time of its collapse and, thus, sovereign immunity is lost and the ship allowed to belong to the country of origin.

In August 2007, Odyssey filed its first allegations against the decision of the trial judge, Mark Pizzo, which had ruled in favor of Spain to claim the treasure worth about $ 500 million and found in the Atlantic in May 2007.

Find in international waters

On May 18, 2007, Odyssey announced it had found and carried a cargo of coins to the United States. This American company named to the operation and the wreck found with the name 'Black Swan'.

Since then, the Spanish government opened an investigation to find out where the company found the loot, what wreck belonged to what permissions had to do it and if found in Spanish waters.

Months later, and to justify their claims, a joint team of the Ministry of Culture, the Navy, the National Archaeological Museum, the Royal Academy of History and other institutions rebuilt the entire history of the ship "La Mercedes', showing that this, and not another wreck was plundered by Odyssey.

The documentation showed that 'The Mercedes' was on active duty with the mission to protect the Spanish state and its citizens throughout its history, and also when it exploded and sank in combat. Also, material presented no evidence that Odyssey was fully aware of it, and it is precisely this that explains the secrecy with which he acted and his claims of not knowing the identity of the wreck.

Definitive evidence

The documentation included extensive photographic and other evidence showing that the wreck can only be 'The Mercedes'. Cannons, anchors, weapons, personal effects and a wide variety of other materials, including the coins taken from the ship, the wreck allowed definitive identification.

In its brief, Spain invoked legal principles, including the right of a nation to protect their sites and their historical heritage (including shipwrecks) of any type of disturbance and looting by treasure hunters.

They also claim that 'The Mercedes' protected by the same principles of sovereign immunity that apply to state ships of all nations, which prohibit the unauthorized disturbance or commercial exploitation of them. elfaro Vigo. es

SpearMax

01-31-2012, 11:34 PM

Ramon, what is the date of this news. I tried to google the story and was confused.

Ramon

02-01-2012, 04:57 AM

spearmax, notice is in 2007 - 2010 http://www.abc.es/hemeroteca/historico-25-05-2007/abc/Cultura/el-tesoro-que-el-odyssey-cargo-en-gibraltar-es-de-monedas-españolas_1633311478591.html

Wikileaks SUGGESTS THAT THE PERMISSION OF FOREIGN gave rise to the exploitation of ODYSSEY
ABC looks at the treasure hunters sobrelos leaks with Carmen Calvo and Cesar Antonio Molina, relating their offices with the U.S. ambassador

The treasure hunters Odyssey Marine Exploration told the diplomatic support of Britain and the U.S. (it was known), but leaked by Wikileaks reveal cables strong pressure from the U.S. Embassy in Madrid and very tasty details of special treatment for treasure hunters in Spanish waters.
ODYSSEY
Some of the coins of "Las Mercedes"
What is the meaning (and meaning) of the three licenses to explore the wreck of Britain, HSM Sussex, granted by the Spanish Foreign Ministry, who knows nothing about archeology? The first days of PP, with minister Josep Piqué, provoked a confrontation with the Government of Andalusia, where shortly after Carmen Calvo-appointed Minister of Culture, rebelled against this recklessness. The second one tells the ambassador Eduardo Aguirre in a November 2005 cable, when they come to see the Ministry Calvo and out with empty hands: "In the three major issues we have pending, the willingness / ability of your choice is questionable '. More interesting is the fact that Aguirre acknowledged at that time (2005), "Odyssey is a six-year saga Minister Calvo was known for his statement that Odyssey could only find the HSM Sussexpor over his dead body."
The first license issued by Moratinos dated 18 August 2005, in a diplomatic note, and is highly valued by the Embassy and Odyssey, despite the risk of collision by the Guardia Civil, "The company is in a strong position from legal standpoint, thanks to the diplomatic note of the MFA (Foreign) authorizing the search. Calvo adviser, Carlos Alberdi, said the MFA had erroneously granted permission because the competitions have autonomous authority, but with the note of MFA and the overwhelming weight of international law that favors the company, Odyssey may earn worth the risk of being addressed. " With permits in hand, maneuvering ships in the Straits without proper supervision.
There was yet another foreign license just a month before the looting, in a note verbale of March 2007. This recurrence was demonstrated that both irresponsible Carmen Calvo angry again.
Calvo argues waters
The very ex-minister yesterday recounted the ABC: "Eduardo Aguirre told me:" I give assurance that the company ... "and I blurted out:" Give me security, which meets the Spanish law, Gibraltar has no water so either speak Spanish waters or international waters ... And when given permission Andalucía, if given, along with divers divers go down Andalusian Odyssey, "he says vehemently.
Calvo is proud of having "laid the complaint against Odyssey in Cadiz, Bibiana Aido put when it was my company's culture, and being the one who started the case in Tampa after the looting, whose sentence has given us the reason" . "I've always kept quiet about these things, but it's time for clarification," he says.
The truth is that only in the criminal trial of La Linea de la Concepcion is still investigating the adventures of Odyssey in Spanish waters for many years. After the looting, Calvo also spoke to the ambassador: "He called for an agreement and I told the story of Alvear, of Spain, because I knew it was the Mercedes, I had very good information. It was very surprised. " For Calvo no doubt that the wreck was Spanish.
Molina: "write down everything"
Cesar Antonio Molina also spoke with ABC cables which recounts his meetings with Aguirre. "The ambassador came to an aggregate always taking note of everything we talked, and at first it made me wonder, but then I thought it was better, it ensures the relevance of what we were talking about." In meetings where various issues were addressed, "and most important to them and for us too, was to internet piracy, but there was never a proposal to resolve the matter Odyssey in exchange for ceding to the demands of Cassirer on Pizarro a picture of the Thyssen Museum, as published, "he says in reference to information in" The Country ".
The ambassador's statement on the cable reads: "Although Cassirer Odyssey and subject are legally distinct, is of interest to the two states take advantage of any leeway within the law to solve both problems in a way that fosters bilateral relationship. " Immediately, Molina said that two issues have nothing to do, "there was never a bid to change the other," he stresses.
The former minister recalls that often drew the Odyssey theme to show our displeasure "and it is true that the outrage over cable stresses Odyssey statements to CNN. In other cables as July 2007, two months after the looting, the embassy explains in detail the strategy so that their vessels Odyssey come out unscathed from the siege of the Civil Guard and Navy. They wanted to start a settlement to Spain and invite the Government to change the following extraction (sic) at the site of the wreck of the Mercedes and the way "would avoid the dispute over Gibraltar waters." Fortunately the law followed and continues. ABC.es

rojodiablo

02-01-2012, 02:23 PM

Next time, melt 95% of that shit down.....stupid bastards.

It was lost for some odd 400 years. It's GONE, and the books have already written it off. Keep a few to trade with for other trinkets, and make blocks out of the rest of it.
After 400 years???? Finders friggin' keepers, bitch.

Ramon

02-01-2012, 10:52 PM

Todos tenemos derecho a expresarnos, pero sin faltar al respeto y con educación

Myrran

02-02-2012, 12:28 AM

A large notice in against marauding pirates XXI century,Justice operates in USA :thumbsup2:

Apenas Pirates! Ha sido chupar durante 400 años! Digo Finders Keepers!

Ramon

02-03-2012, 05:39 AM

flamencoguru

02-03-2012, 05:51 AM

Es una pena que haya personas tan ignorantes que se creen el derecho de ir a casa de los demás y robar a sus antepasados fallecidos
me defrauda y apena ver personas carentes de escrúpulos, dignidad, sin principios en sus contestaciones.
Pero os perdono vuestra capacidad de sorprender con vuestras palabras y dañar.
Os pongo un enlace para que os enriquezcáis con la Historia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuestra_Señora_de_las_Mercedes

Ramón,

Estoy de acuerdo hasta cierto punto. No creo que ni España tanto como EE.UU. (o ningún otro país) se molestaron a buscar el tesoro. Ni se van a ofrecer a pagar alguna compensación monetaria a los que encontraron el tesoro. Desde luego ha sido un labor intenso de años y seguramente millones de dólares. Creo que eso tiene algún valor.....

Ahora sí, lo reconozco como un valor histórico y desde mi punto de vista, debería estar en un museo (español o estadounidense) para que futuras generaciones puedan disfrutar.

Errol

DaveG99

02-03-2012, 07:26 AM

melt it into gold bars!

ShootIt

02-03-2012, 01:42 PM

Hmmm, seems like it should be returned to the Incas/Mayas/Aztecs not the Spanish... Just sayin..

Myrran

02-03-2012, 03:30 PM

Hmmm, seems like it should be returned to the Incas/Mayas/Aztecs not the Spanish... Just sayin..

Exactly!

chuam

02-03-2012, 07:19 PM

Hmmm, seems like it should be returned to the Incas/Mayas/Aztecs not the Spanish... Just sayin..

Yup. Spain claims gold and silver that was stolen from the indigenous people and then has the balls to ask for it back after it sank and was lost.

diverlb

02-03-2012, 09:54 PM

Hmmm, seems like it should be returned to the Incas/Mayas/Aztecs not the Spanish... Just sayin..

First they loot it, then they lose it, now they cry about it when someone else recovers it. I say loot it from them and split it with the Aztecs!

Ramon

02-04-2012, 05:13 AM

Cada uno opine lo que quiera para eso estan los foros de opinión:up:

AristaKat

02-04-2012, 08:02 AM

Ramon

La mayoría de nosotros no habla español, tal vez también deberían estar obligados a hablar español ya que usted está escribiendo en español. Mis antepasados son de España no me siento que debería exigir a otros a cumplir con mi historia que todos nosotros tenemos la nuestra al igual que el tesoro .. Pertenece a la empresa que resultó que poner el esfuerzo y el dinero para encontrarlo ..

Ramon

02-05-2012, 05:24 AM

Aristakat hay un traductor google para esforzarse en el intercambio de idiomas, en el foro no hay una norma explicita que indique en que Idioma hablar o comentar,
Aunque solo le digo hay Normas, y Convenios Internacionales en aguas Jurisdiocnales o Internacionales y hay que cumplirlas pese a lo que nos pese, sino el mundo seria
una Anarquia y precisamente USA se jacta de ello interviniendo como policia del mundo usando la ONU - UNESCO (que por cierto esta muy bien y admirable), no se puede
ir de Arqueologos segun reza en esa empresa su slogan y ser unos vulgares caza tesoros.
Convenio de paises suscrito con la UNESCO http://portal.unesco.org/es/ev.php-URL_ID=13520&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html (http://portal.unesco.org/es/ev.php-URL_ID=13520&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html)

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Aristakat there is a google translator to strive for language exchange, forum there is no explicit rule stating that language to speak or comment,
My site have the option of a language translator, top left block.
Although I say there are only rules, and conventions or international waters Jurisdiocnales and although they must be met or what we weigh, but the world
would beAnarchy, USA and just a boast of it speaking as police in the world using the ONU - UNESCO (which incidentally is very good and admirable), you
can not Archaeologists go pray in the company according to its slogan and be vulgar about treasure hunters.
Agreement signed with UNESCO http://portal.unesco.org/es/ev.php-URL_ID=13520&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html (http://portal.unesco.org/es/ev.php-URL_ID=13520&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html)

PD: nunca reniegue de sus antepasados aunque haya nacido en otras tierras, deba su respeto a todos por igual y a su país natal.
los enlaces suscrtios al pie Yo no los puedo traducir, eso ya es cosa de cada uno y su interés por saber.
It's funny a few years I've been writing on this website and is the first discussion that I have
when talking about money.

My friend Carlos Canales http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Canales_Torres writer tells you this:

Fortunately the Judges of the Supreme Court of the United States are not a bunch of ignorant
and Have managed to give the correct answer to the lawsuit, showing his wisdom and expertise.

Remains found by the "Odyssey" belong to a Spanish frigate of the Royal Navy, treacherously
Attacked without declaration of war, like Japan do in Pearl Harbor.

There are Some stupid opinions. I would like to know That Americans would do if a private
Spanish company looted the Remains of a U.S. ship sunk, for example, in WW II.

chuam

02-06-2012, 05:40 PM

el pisha

02-18-2012, 02:26 AM

prossimo juicio:
reino de expaña vs junta de andalucia.

ya que segun la directora del cas (en cai), son restos andaluces, y las aguas no son expañolas sino andaluzas.

y si usamos el oro pa'paga a los paraos?

FredT

02-18-2012, 01:02 PM

Shouldn't be a problem if Odyssey just put it back in the general area, then the Spanish govt can fund it's own expedition to find where they redeposited it on the ocean floor, and then recover and conserve the artifacts on their own. Or perhaps Spain could simply pay a percentage of the recovered value to cover the recovery and conservation costs as any normal salvage fee of an abandoned vessel would require.

Ramon

02-19-2012, 04:45 AM

el pisha tu calla y mueve la fisha pisha.

Spain allowed to take treasure
Federal judge approves moving 17 tons of silver coins, other artifacts
12:27 AM, Feb. 18, 2012 |

The Odyssey Explorer, a deep-ocean archaeological platform, salvaged 17 tons of silver and artifacts from a sunken Spanish galleon and brought the treasure back to Tampa. A U.S. judge has ruled against the deep-sea exploration company in a dispute with Spain over the treasure. / AP
Written by
Mitch Stacy
Associated Press

TAMPA — A federal judge on Friday signed off on a Spanish government plan to begin moving a vast shipwreck treasure from Florida to Spain next week, culminating a five-year legal battle with the treasure hunters who found and raised it off the Portuguese coast.

U.S. Magistrate Judge James Pizzo ordered Tampa-based Odyssey Marine Exploration to give Spanish officials access to the 17 tons of silver coins and other artifacts beginning Tuesday. It’s been stored in an undisclosed facility since Odyssey salvaged it from the wreck of the Spanish galleon Nuestra Senora de las Mercedes and brought it back to the Tampa area in May 2007.

The treasure is expected to be moved out of the storage facility by Feb. 24, but because of security concerns officials wouldn’t disclose how or exactly when that would take place.

“This is a very complicated logistical operation that has been prepared well in advance,” said Guillermo Corral, who heads the cultural office of the Spanish embassy in Washington.

Odyssey, which uses remote-controlled vehicles to explore the depths and bring the tiniest of items to the surface, lost at every level of the federal court system in its attempt to keep all or most of the treasure. The Spanish government filed a claim soon after the coins were flown back to Tampa, contending that it never relinquished ownership of the ship or its contents. A federal district court first ruled in 2009 that the U.S. courts didn’t have jurisdiction, and ordered the treasure returned.

Melinda MacConnel, vice president and general counsel for Odyssey, said Spanish officials will be given access to the treasure and the company won’t contest the ruling. She said the company followed federal maritime law and did nothing wrong in salvaging the wreck and bringing it back to the United States without the cooperation or permission of Spain. She blamed politics for the courts’ decisions since the U.S. government publicly backed Spain’s efforts to get the treasure returned, and she lamented that the company was unable to bring the case to trial.

She said the ruling against Odyssey will keep other explorers from working with governments on salvage projects and set the stage for the covert plundering of other shipwrecks.

“We’ll allow (Spain) to celebrate, until they realize they’ve been very short-sighted in this case,” MacConnel said.

Spanish officials disagreed, with James Goold, the Washington attorney who fought Odyssey on the Spanish government’s behalf, likening the salvage of shipwrecks for profit to plundering the wreck of the USS Arizona in Pearl Harbor for souvenirs.

MacConnel said Odyssey learned from the struggle with Spain, noting that it is working with the full cooperation of the British government on several efforts to salvage that nation’s sunken ships, with agreements to share what it recovers.

Odyssey made an international splash in 2007 when it recovered the 594,000 coins and other artifacts from the Atlantic Ocean near the Straits of Gilbraltar.

Ramon

02-26-2012, 06:31 AM

After 5 years of litigation and resources in USA, your honor's court in Tampa USA has
done justice arrived in Spain the treasure stolen by hackers who call themselves
archaeologists, treasure hunters are only about piratones.
You have to stake the great performance of these two people who selflessly fought for
which he would return the treasure Admiral Gonzalo R. Gonzalez Aller and lawyer Jose Maria
Lancho
The Treasure of the Mercedes arrives in Spain and closes a five-year long dispute
The shipment, with more than 500,000 pieces of gold and silver has been deposited
provisionally in the former headquarters of the Ministry of Culture

MADRID EFE
On a flight marked by storms and transported in a cargo of 21 tons, the
Treasure of the frigate "Our Lady of Mercy" arrived yesterday in Spain and has been
provisionally placed in the headquarters of the Ministry of Culture, in the center of
Madrid.
At 13:50 hours, and before a large media attention, with over 60 media
accredited communications, landed at the airbase of Torrejon de Ardoz the two planes
Hercules carrying valuable cargo, and had taken off on Friday
MacDill base in Tampa (Florida, USA), about six pm, Spanish time.
A quiet, the commander of the Air Force Michael Tobias Angel Martinez, General
Civil Guard Jose Cuasante and the head of the air base at Torrejon de Ardoz, General
Yague, starred in this new episode of the exciting story of the treasure of the
Mercedes, sunk in 1804 off the coast of the Algarve (Portugal) for a British attack.
There is now a new phase of this process that began in 2007 when the Spanish State
began a legal battle to recover the cargo of the frigate, which extracted the background
treasure hunters Odyssey Marine Company.
The material has come to Spain is composed of more than 500,000 gold coins (the least) and
silver, and some fabrics, metal fragments and cannon balls, carefully
packed in containers by the Spanish technicians moved to Tampa, which introduced
preservative fluid in each of them, why increased weight to be transported.
Commander Miguel Angel Martinez Tobias specified that the cargo, distributed among the
two aircraft pallets in four and three, respectively, weighed 47,000 pounds (21,338
kg).
The weather was "the worst factor" of course because of storms typical of the period,
said the commander, who recognized the special "love" with which he faced this mission
for its meaning: "Retrieve the heritage of Spain."
In the Hercules moved four crews (more than twenty people) and also the
Spain's attorney in this case, James Goold.
Tobias Martinez, who appreciated their help in this mission to the Air Force
U.S., presented the "cargo manifest" (which proves the transported data
from Tampa) to the Civil Guard, which took over the movement and safety
cargo.
At the base of Torrejón de Ardoz was also the Director of Fine Arts and
Cultural Property, Archives and Libraries, Jesus Prieto, representative of the department
ministry now has the task to analyze, catalog and various measures of
conservation of objects that make up the treasure.
The fate of the treasure, "safe" as explained in Torrejón General Jose Cuasante,
judicial police chief of the Guardia Civil, proved, after several hours of
secrecy, the headquarters of the former Ministry of Culture and current Secretary of State for this
department at King's Square, in downtown Madrid.
Until she reached the trucks moved the treasure of the Mercedes, amid
tight security, escorted by members of the Guardia Civil and police
Municipal, who blocked traffic on the streets near the headquarters of Culture.
The Treasure of the frigate lies and ministerial headquarters, under the legal deposit
court number 3 of La Linea de la Concepción (Cádiz, southern Spain), which is what led to
investigations conducted by the plundering of the wreck.
As recently explained the Spanish Minister of Education, Culture and Sports, José
Ignacio Wert, the Government has yet to consider its final location, though apparently not
have a unique destination and could be distributed among several museums.

Happy ending
The original cargo had sailed from Peru to the early nineteenth century, but never
Spain: a British ship bombarded the Spanish frigate in which he traveled, without prior
declaration of war, when he was already very close to your destination, off the coast
the Portuguese Algarve.
Two centuries later, the U.S. company of underwater exploration found the treasure,
the largest ever found underwater, over a thousand meters deep, extracted from the sea and
took him to the U.S., via Gibraltar.
It was in May 2007 when the company announced Odyssey had found in waters
half a million international silver and gold, but without providing the location
exact ship and its nationality.
Then began a long dispute between the U.S. company and the Spanish authorities
that has lasted five years and has involved numerous courts.
On day 17 a judge in Tampa zanjaba definitely legal battle and ordered
will execute the judgment of the Court of Appeals stating that the treasure
the Mercedes, valued at over $ 500 million, belongs to Spain, and that this
country could therefore take it to its territory. A happy ending, but there are still some
issues to resolve. Among them, some pieces of the treasure that Odyssey deposited
Gibraltar and are waiting to be returned to Spain and on the other hand, the resource
submitted by the Government of Peru, who says the shipment was of
Peru. "The Peruvian government says it has right prevailing over the load, however
recognizes that the carrying vessel is Spanish, "Peruvian sources said.

Ramon

02-26-2012, 06:33 AM

Mas
Not randomly find six very different stories, six Spanish citizens as
different from a distinguished historian and Duke to a tough green, from a lawyer
an admiral or a young archaeologist. What unites them? This from a civic standpoint, the
six have given height.

The return of the coins of the Odyssey is a success if they represent the collective good.
Certainly highlights the role of the UCO Civil Guard, with Antonio Cortes, and the
Maritime Service. In addition to the sustained effort of the Government to take long to coordinate.
And the American lawyer, as expensive as effective.

Let us be clear: without these six people would have been equal victory, may not have
arrived. All have lived quieter without being involved in this matter. And far less
nice, all have paid a price. Even have felt contempt for his work from the
Administration. At this time much needed positive examples, forget their generous
contribution to the case would be unforgivable.

Have felt contempt for his work from the Administration
This has been the battle in Tampa: Spain's arguments against the barrage of
treasure hunters, who had in his hand all the evidence and lied. The only truths
Spanish, found in the archives were like cannonballs. Hugh O'Donnell, historian
and military, Duke of Tetuan and Count of Lucena, authority in the campaign of Trafalgar, has the
honor of being placed in the hands of the lawyer James Goold the most lethal ammunition against Odyssey.

He was commissioned to the Royal Academy of History, to which he belongs, to investigate the
case and immersed in your. "We all knew that many coins in that area only
down with the Mercedes. But we had no proof. And we should find among the court
remains something undeniable, something like the ID of the frigate. Others sought records that
later showed that it was a ship of state. But these things were not going to show that
Black Swan was the Mercedes. "

After several months of work, in May 2008, O'Donnell published an article in press
explaining that the frigate carrying two unique artillery pieces, the seventeenth century,
"Excluded bronze culverin", which if found would identify the wreck. Or Culture
nor Defense had asked nothing, but a few days received a call from the
deputy director general of Heritage. A call tense, fractious. Why? "For my
article pointed out the lack of care of the assets of the dormant authorities
Spanish '. Who called him said he "had orders to ask you to attend" the lawyer Goold.
A few days later, O'Donnell welcomed him home and did what he always referred to as
with some banter "couch scene".

We knew that many coins just went down with the Mercedes
Because Jim Goold and Jose Arvelo, the firm Covington & Burling, sat on the blue sofa
Hugo the mighty hall and reported that O'Donnell had asked the judge a movie
the site taken by Odyssey and there were guns. "They read my
article and came quickly, showed me the photos and there it was, partially buried, one of
the culverins. There was no doubt. " The historian explained that it was the closest to the ID of
the frigate they could find, because they never appear a bell with the name of
ship, but this was almost irrefutable. "Then Jim gave as an attack: it became
knees and cried with clasped hands: "We found it! We found it! "And that was the
sofa scene, "O'Donnell rivets.

The joy was logical, between the proven facts of the case include that the wreck was
Mercedes. The judge agreed with an emphatic "I agree". The historian has provided much more
documentation, impossible to recount here, even one that was never used, bullets that
attorney maintained in the chamber.

Separate chapter, Odyssey hired two reputed scholars to damage the prestige of
O'Donnell: Rodney Carlisle and William Flayhart. The battle was total, against his books and
conclusions. That and other troubles, in addition to the effort, have not been grateful. Therefore,
concludes: "I aspire to personal recognition."

Much of the documentation showed that the Mercedes was a ship of state was
found by the Navy in its files. Admiral Teodoro de Leste commissioned the rumpus
archive, which ended his successor in the direction of the Naval Museum, Gonzalo Rodriguez
Gonzalez-Aller. From the archives of the Navy demonstrated that the flotilla departed for
commissioned by Charles IV, and gave the court the letter of Godoy and countless documents
from the description of the cargo and crew to the stories of survivors. By
Thus, the summary of Tampa is also a history book. But Gonzalez-Aller not limited to
the. Moved contacts with the Navy at all levels creating a network of
mutual interest: "There is equity ignored by Odyssey and they are the tombs of
our heroes ", said Admiral.

His role in this story has a lot more future than past. He lived with patience
birth of a national plan of Cesar Antonio Molina, Minister more motivated in
Heritage defense submerged, and the challenge to the Andalucian authorities to
collaboration with the Navy. He managed to overcome the problems and convince almost everyone that
Navy must play an important role in this story ("a wreck is archeology but also
military history, "says). Even so, archaeologists of Culture and the Autonomous left
Navy out of its plans, defined in a 'Green Paper'.

Spain had already paid compensation to the descendants
But Odyssey also had aces up its sleeve. He endeavored to show that the Mercedes was
and private wealth was actually a merchant. In fact met the descendants of the
affected by the wreck in a parallel demand whose lawyer was David Paul Horan, the
"Brain" of the legal industry since time treasure hunter Mel Fisher, who planned to open
and a new vein of future business. But you got away with it thanks to the efforts of
a simple Spanish lawyer, Jose Maria Lancho, that did not stop until we find the evidence
that Spain had already paid compensation to the descendants. Did not ask anyone, but the
surrendered to authorities. The treasure hunter not a good fit when Goold came out with the
documentation, assumed by the court in its judgment, has closed its access to ships
State acting on behalf of heirs of the shipwrecks. Lancho has become a
of legal sources for underwater heritage and represents the court's
Malaga line archaeologists Nerea company, popular accusation against
Odyssey alleged depredations. Still, no effort has been publicly recognized until
today, not their advice. On the contrary, history repeats itself, it seems that society
civil annoying.

Tell that to Javier Noriega, an archaeologist at 38, she founded example of an entrepreneur
Elisabeth (spin-off of the University of Malaga) that has received the 2009 European seal
social responsibility. Technology and archeology 100 by 100 Spanish, and an awareness
civic test that helped much public scorn in the case. In 2002 a British colleague,
George Lambrick, had reported contracts with Odyssey London to Unesco and
predicted to end up in plundering. Javier takes over and begins to report from
2003 cazatesoros the presence of Spain. Reports made for Culture, collaborated with
Civil Guard, and when tired of the apparent impunity in person decided Odyssey
the trial of La Linea, which has cost enough money and aggravation. It was demonstrated that
Lambrick was right and therefore want to investigate what else happened between 2001 and 2007,
what we who were in our waters. And break a lance for the participation of
Spanish companies in the emerging cultural industry plan that would enable
ambitious underwater heritage. Cree so in the future who chairs the Association of Young
Employers of Malaga.

There's more. Antonio Munoz is an ecologist Algeciras 53 years working in the Hospital
Punta Europa, in maintenance. Bring since 2002 shipping issues (one hundred thousand
ships per year) in the Strait for Ecologists in Action / Verdemar. He also brought
Odyssey Case consciousness. From home using binoculars and, along with Lorenzo Sarmiento,
the then pioneering satellite AIS system to track ships. Soon he was struck
one that was "strange things": the "Odyssey Explorer." It was 2003, the fishermen will be notified of
that "machines down to the water in the Alboran Sea." The ship operated in the middle of the routes and
Muñoz therefore begins to put complaints in Development. Does not stop there. Provides data
Culture and the Civil Guard. One day an agent asked, "What do you paint in this
history? "never forget his answer:" I am a citizen and angers me what's going on
without anybody doing anything. " He put one of the first complaints against Odyssey in La Linea.
"I have suffered much, confesses to ABC-I believed when we said that they took coins. A
day I went to Magdalena Alvarez Algeciras to tell. And I looked ...-silence-as
I was a madman who had no right even to approach. " After the scandal, "the Board wanted
sign up somewhat. Culture And knew what was happening. " That's not all: "I felt
watched, pursued. They stopped allowing access to Gibraltar, to me, the humble
ecologist who gave them a sack ... I was down in the bag! ".

He sailed on his boat for recreation, hunting boats Odyssey
And since 1998, in the beginning, is Lorenzo Sarmiento, Pipe for friends. Without it
would be blind. For years he sailed on his boat for recreation, hunting vessels
Odyssey with his wife, Magdalena, taking pictures and videos of the adventures of the
treasure hunters. The best images that exist in the Strait of them are yours and have given
around the world. He got national media report what was happening, since
Santiago Mata told off the plane with the coins. Something that bothered many
offices, more concerned about how politicians out in the photo. "Six Years of Solitude
terrible, no one paid attention, we were scared to death, and the Civil Guard warned us that
we arrimásemos both the ship, but I'm curious: what were they doing? "asks
maritimista this lawyer with 35 years of occupation and skipper since 1981.

"I am a lawyer, anyone think I am dedicated to pursuing ships-laughs. The sailboat is my
hobby. " Despite the fear, "has been a pleasure and I am satisfied. The important thing is the future,
know that will never happen again. " It has also suffered: "We were upset, I felt my
tapped phone. "

I hope the authorities are sensitive to these men who, without obligation, put
relevant data held by the state that have made possible this great victory.

The six heroes
Hugh O'Donnell
And military historian, 63
Author of a reference book, "The campaign of Trafalgar" (Sphere), submitted documents
vital to winning the case. He was responsible for the judge accepted that the wreck was the "Mercedes"
Antonio Muñoz
Ecologist, 53
It brought awareness, was the first to monitor and report the activities of Odyssey
Administration. We made life difficult.
Pipe Sarmiento
Maritimista Advocate, 59
The first and most have persiguido Odyssey, from his boat for 6 years. Their
photographs and videos have documented the spoils. He managed to skip the scandal to the press
national
Jose Maria Lancho
Lawyer, 42 years
Trial lawyer specializing in underwater heritage. Hispalinux president. Provided
evidence that no heir could claim the coins
Gonzalo R. Gonzalez-Aller
Admiral of the Navy, 65
Director of the Naval Museum and the Archives of the Navy, who provided vital documentation
the case. His vision of defense Submerged Heritage includes civil society and
Armada

miguelitro

02-26-2012, 10:12 AM

The indigenous people of south america also rejoice that THEIR silver is back in the hands of the spanish. Thay also want to thatnk you for all you have done for them.
Mike

Mobius1

03-06-2012, 05:29 PM

It looks like its time to dump that shit back over the side and let the damn spaniards find it themselves! Or take a trip to mexico and cash it out there since its probobally the region the spaniards raped and murdered for decades to acquire all that gold in the first place!

Ramon

10-16-2012, 07:27 AM

Mobius Exactly, you can return the Indians their land, instead of having them in reserves, also you killed the buffalo and Indians have much Yanki where silent.