How long is your STATIC?

[TheMackDaddy]

Just wanted to see how long everyone's statics are right now. I mean your best static times that you can hit pretty consistenly on most days, not your best time ever. I'm at 4 minutes now (thats dry, which is supposedly harder than submerged but not sure by how much). hopfully it will improve as i begin training harder to get ready for this summer. I understand that statics aren't the most important thing to a freediving hunter but its still fun to try.

[DISKSKO]

3 mins

[Marcus]

4 best, 3:30 consistently.

[WreckDiver]

Just tried it made it all the way to 30

[PV_Spearo]

My max wet static is 6:45, w/ no hyperventilation.

Brandon

[ErikY.]

Best is 6:20, I can hit 5:30 anyday dry. I lost interest in pursuing longer statics and haven't attempted a new PB for a few years. Geared up and gun in hand, in cold water, 2:30 pretty consistently.
Cheers,
Erik Y.

[Marcus]

6:45 :eek: Nice.

[chasintail]

3 min.I want to see a pic of your faces at about 5 mins. :eek:

[frogman]

SpearoPimp,
I would caution you against focusing too much on your statics. They don't mean much for a freediving spearo and they can be dangerous. DEFINETELY, avoid doing submersed statics without a proper spotter.
As far as I am concerned, I have not tried a static in years. But I know I can hunt up to 80 feet without any problem :D

[hardcore]

4 best, 3:30 consistently.

Same here, my times are the same wet or dry.

[E. Holland]

3 min.I want to see a pic of your faces at about 5 mins. :eek:


At 5 min., my guess is that I would look like the front runner in a Metamucil eating contest. :D

[apexpredator]

Just now i did 2min 15sec. While spearing my dives seldom reach a minute. I know it is pretty pathetic but I do OK with what I have. Oddly enough my bottom times seem to extend torwards the end of a day diving. It seems ridiculous but sometimes my best dives come after having a cigarrete and resting topside during the midlle of the day. Maybe it is because it relaxes me. I tend to think that your state of mind has more influence on breath hold than anything else. PV 6.45 I'm jealous....simply amazing. Stay safe and Happy Hunting!!

[chasintail]

I did manage a 58 sec keg stand a couple of weeks ago at a crawfish boil.

[TheMackDaddy]

So what is the best way to train for spearfishing? doing many repeated dives and extending the time and "easy-ness" (couldn't think of a better word) of these dives. Seems like most of the instructional resources are geared toward "pure" freedivers.

[chasintail]

Send a PM to spearofla or do a search for his post.Hes got a tech. that really helped me.Before I tryed it I couldn't get past 45 ft.

[Prodigal Son]

3:40 wet, but I agree with the other guys, don't get too hung up on statics for spearfishing.

[TheMackDaddy]

I understand that statics aren't the most important thing to a freediving hunter but its still fun to try.

I said this first off. Plus, i don't do statics for the purpose of spearfishing, I just like the way it feels, but i'm sure it helps my spearfishing game a lttle at least.

[ErikY.]

Just now i did 2min 15sec. Oddly enough my bottom times seem to extend torwards the end of a day diving. It seems ridiculous but sometimes my best dives come after having a cigarrete and resting topside during the midlle of the day.

There is a reason for both occurences amigo.
The ease of diving after actually doing some dives that day is due to the mammalian dive reflex. I'm going to post a thread on that to explain a method to make it happen within 5 minutes instead of 45 minutes.

Your smoking will ease the CO2 reaction you would normally get earlier in a dive that tells you to come up. Basically you don't get the urge to breath as soon as you should, because your receptor's tolerance has been altered. This means that you will stay longer than you might normally stay, putting you at great risk. Many smoking freedivers report the same symptoms as you, and will black out from statics at the surface with no warning at all, while the non-smokers get some predictable warning signs.
Be careful.

[Bill McIntyre]

I said this first off. Plus, i don't do statics for the purpose of spearfishing, I just like the way it feels, but i'm sure it helps my spearfishing game a lttle at least.

Its funny, but I have no idea what my static is because I never try it. I don't like it because it makes me feel, well, sort of breathless.:)

And then I'm sure it would be shitty anyway, so I don't want to be discouraged.

[ErikY.]

T I'm going to post a thread on that to explain a method to make it happen within 5 minutes instead of 45 minutes.
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http://www.spearboard.com/showthread.php?t=16491

Hope you like it.
Erik Y.

[ErikY.]

3 min.I want to see a pic of your faces at about 5 mins. :eek:
Here's me vibrating and almost unconscious (samba) at a comp a few years ago. My spotter is Martin Stepanek, WR holder for a time of 8:03!
My time was 5:46, but DQ'd of course.
Cheers,
Erik Y.

[Les Sage]

I have attempted numerous dry statics to satisfy my curiousity. I do these lying on a bed and the best consistent time is 5:00 minutes. I did not have any contractions, so maybe I could do better. my spearfishing dives are in the 1.5 minute range, but occasionally, 2 minutes. I have never tried to do a wet static bc of the danger.

I was very much surprised I could do 5 minutes and this gave me more confidence to dive deeper and longer.

Les Sage

[Rolo]

i don't do statics for the purpose of spearfishing, I just like the way it feels, but i'm sure it helps my spearfishing game a lttle at least.

You like the way oxygen deprivation feels like? Be careful you don't like it too much.

Statics and spearos are not a perfect fit. Frogman's post is on the money in my opinion. I havn't tried a static in years and have progressivley improved to a PB of slightly over 1:30 bottom times. I think dive times are very mental. If conditions are good and I have confidence in my hunting partner, I can generally dive deep and longer. Controlling heart rate has always been the key, not statics. There are also guys who can't stay down longer than a minute in the water and consistenly find ways to bring fish to the cooler, which for the spearo, that's what it's all about.

[Ed Walker]

Thanks for the reality check RJ!
Reading all these long statics was making me feel like a puss. Then again I dont do statics. Im around a minute and a half when hunting, maybe a little more if Im feeling the groove and the conditions are right.

[snooker]

I was curious about mine not too long ago so I tried it out for the first time. I was pretty suprised with the first time of 3:30 but my second one really suprised me. I got 4:50. I know static helps you very little with freediving but was curious about this.

I am trying to force myself to do more dynamic training.

[rigdvr]

but i'm sure it helps my spearfishing game a lttle at least.

Statics will do nothing for your hunting times. Laying on the surface of the pool holding your breath to train for diving, crawling across the bottom, wrestling a fish out of a hole and dragging it to the surface just doesnt make sense. After some lengthy physiology discussions with Rick Bettua and Daryl Wong this week I am going to rethink my approach to training.

[chasintail]

Statics will do nothing for your hunting times. Laying on the surface of the pool holding your breath to train for diving, crawling across the bottom, wrestling a fish out of a hole and dragging it to the surface just doesnt make sense. After some lengthy physiology discussions with Rick Bettua and Daryl Wong this week I am going to rethink my approach to training.


Can't wait to here the Hawaii tale.

[TheMackDaddy]

Statics will do nothing for your hunting times. training.

they may not do anything directly, which they also might. but i think they can give one a better grasp on learning how to keep the body and muscles totally relaxed and slow down the heart b/c that is all you do instead of being distracted by other things while diving or doing dynamics.and also just becoming more comfortable with the feeling of not breathing. but im just a kid that has a lot to learn about this so correct me if im wrong.

[Rolo]

If you want to slow down the heart or better yet have it where it is always "slowed down", do aerobic exercises. Lance Armstrong has a resting heart-rate in his 20s, do you think he got there by doing statics? I think you don't seem to understand that not only will statics not help you directly with spearfishing, but they may potentially augment the likelihood for a black out. You are training yourself to suppress the urge to breath--that my friend is a black out waiting to happen.

[rigdvr]

spearo...I dont know of a single spearo out there that hasnt gone through the phase you are in now. I know I did! The problem is its a very dangerous stage to be in as more young men like yourself die in the lap pool at the local YMCA than in any other aspect of breathold diving. The main reason being that you are actively trying to push beyond your limits. To my knowledge exercises such as biking and running are great for dive training. I will cease my dynamic training for now and swim surface laps in my gear until I can gather some more research.
Be careful
Mike Freeman

[Bill McIntyre]

For what its worth, I have a resting heart rate of 39, probably the result of a lot of cycling and running since about age 30. I'm pretty sure it isn't genetic since it was in the 70s when I was in my early 20s and mainly lifting weights.

But here is the bad news- my breath hold still sucks, so there seems to be more to it than a slow heart rate.

[TheMackDaddy]

i feel u on the danger aspect....i never go anywhere near my limits when diving out in the ocean as i do when doing apneas outside of water

[Rolo]

McIntyre, what can I say, You're an anomoly :D There are alot of factors, perhaps it's a subpar breath up. Or maybe it's the "age" factor (Don't mean to be offensive). It's no mystery that all major organs diminish in performance with age. Your kidneys creatinine clearance starts its gradual decline as we advance in years. Your liver doesn't metabolize substances as before and perhaps YOUR Lungs may have lost some elasticity over the years. Perhaps your lung capacity or expiratory volume is not what it used to be. Was is smoking if you smoke or second hand stuff.

Your 39 resting heart rate is quite impressive, but was that before or after the Norvasc :D I'm in the 40s and I actively train for the Trilogy of Triathlons held in Key Biscayne every summer. It could also be that your lung capacity has always been small. I believe the average is about 4L, but guys like Pipin are upwards near 7-8L.

[rigdvr]

shit...I dove with Pete Wolfgram and Daryl Wong all last week and they are 70 and 48 respectively. For everyone's info...they dove circles around me! Pete still has a 5 min static. I hope Im just able to walk, much less dive at his age!

[Steve Bennett]

Do you guys hyperventalate or practice apnea for these statics? How much does this apnea help when youre actually freediving or doing your statics. I only do it when I'm practicing and training

[Bill McIntyre]

McIntyre, what can I say, You're an anomoly :D

I've been called worse, and in fact many times it was on this board. :-)

Your 39 resting heart rate is quite impressive, but was that before or after the Norvasc :D I'm in the 40s and I actively train for the Trilogy of Triathlons held in Key Biscayne every summer. It could also be that your lung capacity has always been small. I believe the average is about 4L, but guys like Pipin are upwards near 7-8L.

Maybe it is small lung capacity. I never smoked, but I was raised by my paternal grandparents until the 9th grade, and my Grandmother smoked. Perhaps that did affect my lung capacity.

I've often suspected that another thing that affects my breath hold is the fear factor, and that is hard to quantify. I don't like to surface feeling any discomfort at all, and I suspect many guys with longer breath holds are more willing to push the edge, but there is no way to measure that.

Aside from my just being a natural coward, my conservatism was probably influenced by losing my best friend to swb back in 1998, having to find his body at 90 feet, try unsuccessful CPR while nasty tasting liquid and foam came out of his nose and mouth with every compression, sit looking at his body in an open boat for the hour and a half ride to the dock, get up the guts to call his wife from Mexico and tell her that her five children were now lacking a father, and then tend to all the details of getting his remains home. I think that had an affect on how much I'm willing to push myself.

[apexpredator]

Hey Bill I bet the best thing you could do to extend your botom time would be to dive with a reliable buddy. You are probably being very conservative in your dives due to the reasons you mention above. I have read of your terrible experience in Mexico before and all I can say is I am sorry you went through it and hope others can learn from your friends mistake. You seem to do pretty well with the ability you have and I wouldn't worry too much. I have a friend that once said to me "your diving downtime might not be the best but you kill pretty damn good". He was being generous with the "might not be the best" comment since lately after reading of others bottom times I am not sure if mine might not be one of the worst. It is no mystery to me what things I should do to help my downtime and they all have to do with getting in shape and giving up the cancer sticks. I hope I am still diving when I am your age....hell if I don't stop smoking soon I'll be lucky to still be breathing. Take care and Happy Hunting!!

[RabiSpear]

APEX,
You are the only guy I have ever been freediving with that was smoking a cigarette on the boat ride out. Still a killer, though!

[chasintail]

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Aside from my just being a natural coward, my conservatism was probably influenced by losing my best friend to swb back in 1998, having to find his body at 90 feet, try unsuccessful CPR while nasty tasting liquid and foam came out of his nose and mouth with every compression, sit looking at his body in an open boat for the hour and a half ride to the dock, get up the guts to call his wife from Mexico and tell her that her five children were now lacking a father, and then tend to all the details of getting his remains home. I think that had an affect on how much I'm willing to push myself.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for posting that.I've read bits and pieces but never knew you actually lost your buddy.Gives us all something to think about when fighting off the urge to breath to line up for a better shot.

[ErikY.]

Hey Bill I bet the best thing you could do to extend your bottom time would be to dive with a reliable buddy.

Probably the best advice posted so far. All the techniques and practice mean shit if you're dead.
Cheers dudes,
Erik Y.