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jfjf
04-24-2018, 08:03 AM
See attached

http://myfwc.com/media/4425749/11-SM-Goliath.pdf

jfjf
04-24-2018, 08:07 AM
Staff recommendation after well over a year and many, many thousands of tax dollars spent on collecting public input and providing public education: Nothing, not a freaking word.

This is pretty pathetic regardless of what your political problem sition is.

Why no notice to the spearfishing public of the big meetings on spearboard?

Spear One
04-24-2018, 08:28 AM
I will be surprised if they actually open them. Even if they do, it will likely be a very small "trial" allocation of maybe 100 fish with a lottery, stamp, or permit application process to harvest them. I will be completely shocked if they allow spear harvest. Either way, if they do open them the fish huggers will likely see to it that it becomes a PR nightmare for everyone involved.

CuzzA
04-24-2018, 08:58 AM
See attached

http://myfwc.com/media/4425749/11-SM-Goliath.pdf

LOL, She says they are rare outside of South Florida... :scratch:

They are everywhere over here too. Not only are they on the artificials, but I continuously see them on the natural reefs as well.

jfjf
04-24-2018, 10:44 AM
That is an interesting comment rare or absent outside of South Florida. Is the Tampa area considered South Florida?? I would not think so, yet there is overwhelming evidence that they are extremely common on those wrecks ... yes?

I tried to look up the definition and common usage of South Florida and it
Is somewhat ambiguously defined, but doesn’t include Tampa etc. So her statement in that memo about geographic abundance and distribution seems to be factually incorrect.

In addition, they are extremely abundant on artificial reefs off Martin county (Stuart area) and that is also outside of South Florida. They are also common off
St Lucie county from my recollection as well.

Failure to make any recommendation and saying they are rare or absent outside of south Florida is hard to support.

CatDiver
04-24-2018, 10:49 AM
Agree with this 100%. Pretty good chance the pics and video of monster goliath coming out of the ocean / gulf would be bad politically. This is particularly true since my understanding is they are not that great to eat.

I will be surprised if they actually open them. Even if they do, it will likely be a very small "trial" allocation of maybe 100 fish with a lottery,stamp, or permit application process to harvest them. I will be completely shocked if they allow spear harvest. Either way, if they do open them the fish huggers will likely see to it that it becomes a PR nightmare for everyone involved.

jbsrq
04-24-2018, 12:03 PM
There are several large residents on a natural ledge I dive and fish and as other's stated, they are over run on the artificials.

jfjf
04-24-2018, 12:18 PM
Was thinking at lunch. They are pretty common off Sebastian from the little diving I have done. Maybe we should all call fwc - thousands of us to report sighting of the rare/ absent species that the scientists are unaware of after an intense one - year period of study and collection of public input.????

CuzzA
04-24-2018, 01:22 PM
I'll play a little devils advocate here...

As spearfisherman, do we really care about GG not being harvested?

If one gets aggressive with a diver it is going to get a shaft. How often are they snatching fish from divers? Better yet, how often are smart divers hunting on the artificials? The artificial reefs are so over fished it's rarely worth the effort.

I know they are problematic for hook and line fishing, but I sure as hell ain't hook and line fishing an artificial reef. I already know what's there... Sharks, Barracuda and Goliath Grouper. Any fish you manage to hook is likely chomped before hitting the surface.

I guess what I'm getting at is what's to benefit us spearo's when we can meet our harvest needs by less controversial species?

CatDiver
04-24-2018, 02:04 PM
I agree with this too. We rarely dive wrecks or artificials so we rarely see goliaths. I know they are thick on wrecks and artificials but we try to avoid those spots because of the increased pressure and frankly having to deal with other boats while diving. So we probably see a goliath every 10 dives or so. Maybe less honestly. I'm yet to have an issue with one.

I'll play a little devils advocate here...

As spearfisherman, do we really care about GG not being harvested?

If one gets aggressive with a diver it is going to get a shaft. How often are they snatching fish from divers? Better yet, how often are smart divers hunting on the artificials? The artificial reefs are so over fished it's rarely worth the effort.

I know they are problematic for hook and line fishing, but I sure as hell ain't hook and line fishing an artificial reef. I already know what's there... Sharks, Barracuda and Goliath Grouper. Any fish you manage to hook is likely chomped before hitting the surface.

I guess what I'm getting at is what's to benefit us spearo's when we can meet our harvest needs by less controversial species?

jfjf
04-24-2018, 03:59 PM
The situation is quite different here. we freedive a lot on artificial and the jewfish can be very aggressive and somewhat dangerous . if a Freediver should get tangled with a fish he shot and a gg takes the speared fish and dives from cover it could be really bad.

As mentioned the potential limited take does not include spearing so this has nothing to do with us harvesting the fish.

CatDiver
04-24-2018, 07:32 PM
Yeah have seen a couple videos like that and could see it would be a big problem. Iím just not seeing a similar issue with what we do on this coast

The situation is quite different here. we freedive a lot on artificial and the jewfish can be very aggressive and somewhat dangerous . if a Freediver should get tangled with a fish he shot and a gg takes the speared fish and dives from cover it could be really bad.

As mentioned the potential limited take does not include spearing so this has nothing to do with us harvesting the fish.

jfjf
04-24-2018, 09:53 PM
I can't really recall having a big problem with a jewfish when scuba hunting...no that is not true.. they were a real pain once in the winter on a wreck out in the Gulf in 100 ft. But I don't remember many other incidents that were real problems on scuba.

However freediving, they take more shafts and fish than sharks - Not that this is a primary reason to start a limited, recreational harvest on them, but they have been trained to steal speared fish.

This video from a few years ago is somewhat amusing and demonstrates their ability to modify their behavior to patiently and secretively wait until a fish is shot - and then immediately attack as rapidly as possible.

https://youtu.be/ApeL8czRf8I

http://youtu.be/ApeL8czRf8I

Gary H
04-25-2018, 06:52 AM
I was swimming down the 60' high bar out of Fort Pierce earlier this year and every time I looked behind me there were half a dozen 200+ pounders waiting for me to shoot a meal for them.

With regards to they don't taste very good - I can vouch that they taste good up to about 350 pounds. I've never eaten one bigger than that, but suspect they don't change taste as they get bigger. What does change is provided a large piece of meat, some people try to cook it the same way they cook smaller pieces. To get the middle done the outside is overdone and tough. You either have to cut it into normal serving sizes before cooking, or lower cooking temp and extend cooking time.

jfjf
04-26-2018, 08:44 PM
https://www.tcpalm.com/story/sports/2018/04/26/florida-fish-and-wildlife-commission-tackling-goliath-groupers/546491002/

Spear One
04-26-2018, 10:57 PM
I was pretty sure they were not going to allow any harvest. They may revisit it somewhere down the road but I will be quite shocked if they ever open them. It’s just too hot of a topic politically and socially.

jfjf
04-27-2018, 09:37 AM
I was surprised they even took it upon themselves to look into it. There just wasn’t enough scientific data to change the law, but they did make a change outlawing our
Preferred gear type - they had enough data to do that - with respect to triple tail.

I suppose the culling of jewfish will be continued by those that feel that they are too aggressive and too prevalent.

diverlen
05-13-2018, 09:36 AM
Let's keep the jewfish fully protected. I love seeing them and they mostly do not interfere with my spearfishing.

Marcus
05-13-2018, 09:39 AM
Pftt

CatDiver
05-13-2018, 02:41 PM
Saw what had to be 350-400 lb one on a natural ledge in 40 feet of water yesterday. I may have spent a little too much time checking him out until he thumped me twice. Now I’ve heard goliaths and other grouper thump but this was a whole other level. Funny thing was on video you can’t hear it at all. But it silenced out everything else on the video for a second. Crazy

jfjf
05-14-2018, 10:17 AM
Yeah the go pro must have an audio filter, because even power heads do not sound loud.

Mikel_24
06-07-2018, 03:04 AM
I am SO glad we don't have to deal with fish that big here wherer I fish... I have seen a few videos of these jewfish stealing speared fish that almost seemed like a joke.

Why are they protected in the first place? Are they too scarce? I don't think so...

Mendicant
06-20-2018, 06:49 AM
I was doing some further research, and I found this article. http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/environment/article209873644.html

"Scientists also doubted the idea that the slow-moving fish would run down an angler's catch and said stomach contents show the fish eat baitfish or crustaceans."

The scientists don't think they can steal your catch. That is comforting.

"It’s not a fish that’s going to put in a lot of work to catch its prey," said Gil McRae, director of the FWC's Fish and Wildlife Research Institute.

Don't worry about it guys, they are lazy and won't come after your fish.

jfjf
06-20-2018, 09:10 AM
I think the idea they are putting forth is that they do not typically prey upon the species we normally target, but there ain’t nobody dumb enough to say they don’t opportunistically target hooked or speared fish- at least in areas where significant fishing pressure exists

I’m convinced it is a learned behavior to target speared fish

Surface Tension
09-24-2018, 12:13 PM
They are plenty of them even well north of Port Canaveral. What a joke.

They are a safety concern for me and I will act accordingly.

diverlen
09-30-2018, 05:28 AM
I think the idea they are putting forth is that they do not typically prey upon the species we normally target, but there ainít nobody dumb enough to say they donít opportunistically target hooked or speared fish- at least in areas where significant fishing pressure exists

Iím convinced it is a learned behavior to target speared fish


Jim, I agree 100% with you.

Spear One
09-30-2018, 06:38 AM
I think the idea they are putting forth is that they do not typically prey upon the species we normally target, but there ainít nobody dumb enough to say they donít opportunistically target hooked or speared fish- at least in areas where significant fishing pressure existsIím convinced it is a learned behavior to target speared fish

I agree:thumps: Once they get an easy meal or two from Divers they quickly learn to associate all divers as a ďfood sourceĒ and will then follow Divers waiting for the opportunity to steal an easy meal.