Boat question

[WreckDiver]

What kind of scuppers? I will have plenty of room below the swim platform for either kind so the would be protected. I have no experience with these which ones are less hassle

[Mobile Diver]

Roland,

I would go with the chrome bronze for durability. A broken thru-hull has sank many a boat.

[WreckDiver]

Mine would be above the water line. Unless backing down.

[Bill McIntyre]

My present boat came with the ones on the right with the ping-pong ball in them. I was skeptical, but they work well and do keep much water from flowing in when backing down or when a wave covers them.

[Bill McIntyre]

I guess this doesn't prove anything, but since I had to visit my boat today to get it ready for a trip tomorrow, I took this photo of my ping-pong balls.

[Surface Tension]

I have the ball type on the right, and they work well. It's not a perfect seal, so if a bunch of people are standing in back of the boat and they go under water,they will seep.

I heard a tip one time that if you put a screen on the inside of them, it will keep garbage out of them. I haven't gotten around to it yet, but plan on it. They do get a lot of leaves in them from trees in my yard. Wouldn't be a problem if you don't have your boat around trees and such.

Dave

[Slay Ride]

I have the ping pong style on my small boat. It's under a shed, but whenever I let anyone borrow it, the leaves and acorns do become a problem. It is difficult to get everything out. Especially the acorns that make it to the ball but not all the way through. Suprisingly they do work well when clean.

[WreckDiver]

How about the flapper kind, are they easy to clean with a hose?

[Jaizzen]

How about the flapper kind, are they easy to clean with a hose?

Yes. Flapper style are easy to maintain, just not as durable. Sounds like you have it in a well protected area though.

I agree with Slay Ride about the Rabud (ping pong ball) scuppers, they do work well but become a real pain in the azz if fish guts or leaves get in them. I had them on my old boat and removed them. They will work good for folks who don't gut fish.

Jason

[PAT A]

Hey Roland, two of my friends have Contenders with the flapper scuppers. IMO they are the only way to go, you dont have to worry about them. The only way to hurt them is if something got jamed in them from the outside and ripped out the flapper, which isnt very likely. JM2C....PAT A

[deepdestroyer]

I have the flapper ones in my boat. They work well, and havent given me any problems yet, and if somthing does get cought in them, a quick blast with the washdown cleans it out.

[JimW]

I have the flappers on my ride. I like them... flush mount and hassle free. Mine are just above the water line.

[fishbuster229]

it also depends if his boat is self-bailing or not. if you deck is about the water line then the bronze-thru hull is fine thats attatched to a hose thats connected to a drainage on the deck. but if you deck is the same as you waterline then the flapper/ping-pong ball is about the only way to go
Randy

[chasintail]

The ball valves clog up with leaves,guts,mono clippings,and other sh*t.The flappers are nice,really nice if they are above the water line.

[junior]

I've got ping pong balls on my whaler and agree that leaves and other junk will mess them up. Great thing is it don't matter too much on a whaler since they float just fine with all the plugs pulled anyway. I would not trust them on anything else myself, especially below any waterline.

[dive4bugz]

Definitely go with the ball style. I had the flappers, and they get stiff after awhile and let water back in. Since putting the ball style on, no problem... just make sure they stay clean (leaves, paper, etc will hold them open). Hope this helps...

[Marcus]

From what I've seen the flappers are more prone to failure than the ball style.

[cerobit]

my balls have seen some flappers in their days :)
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...I do like how easy the flap types are to clean. I keep a 6" piece of 1/2" pvc back there at the transom just to push leaves, guts whatever through the drains whenever needed.

[riplipper]

flappers....I had balls, and hated them....that does not sound good does it?

[WreckDiver]

flappers....I had balls, and hated them....that does not sound good does it?


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[Big Pig]

Roland

Regardless of which choice you make, I volunteer to drill/cut the holes necessary for mounting the scuppers. All I require is a cold 12 pack which I will need to drink before starting the project. I can bring my own tools but you probably want to pick up some 5200 just in case we need some

[WreckDiver]

Ken that is an awfully nice offer, how bout I buy ya a 12 pack and you can show me some of the tricks - later - on finding the good spots. ON my boat.

[ObieWan2bWet]

As mentioned, IMHO I think the most important factor is deck height, and the plumbing distance and straightness from deck to water, if your deck is self bailing with other than straight plumbing I would use flappers. They will be much easier to clean, you can hold a flapper open and flush debris through non-straight plumbing mush easier. If the plumbing is straight from drain to scupper, or the deck is not self bailing I would use balls. Both work as well as can be expected, and its like a Chevy/Ford debate. I use the KISS rule, and for me personally flappers fit that bill simply because they are easier to clean, and much cheaper to replace.

I would not however use ANYTHING like screen, drain plate etc. between drain and scupper. It can and will get clogged, and if your boat sits outside and gets debris, leaves in it, your deck will fill up with water when it rains, and you will be hand hearding goobers off your deck constantly.

[Big Pig]

Ken that is an awfully nice offer, how bout I buy ya a 12 pack and you can show me some of the tricks - later - on finding the good spots. ON my boat.

The more time you spend on the water the more good spots you will find. A bath chart or software program (like offshore hunter) that contains the bath data will also help.

[PAT A]

Hey Roland, why did you change your screen name?

[Steve-o]

There's a brand that does not rely on a rubber flap that I have had for about 5 years. I can't remember the name, but I doubt they are hard to find. They measure about 2.5" by 7". This huge hole is fine because my deck is about 4 inches above the water at the stern, so the deck only gets wet if everyone stands in one corner, and even then it is not much water, and there is nowhere for water on the deck to go but out (no leaky hatches, etc to sink us back there). The size is nice when cleaning up after fishing because you can wash mackerel and just about anything else right out the scuppers with a hose or bucket of water, and they are maintenance free. When backing down they are pretty dry. If your deck is close to the waterline, I'd go with one of the ball type devices to minmize water on the deck. The downside is you could be working on your engine and have a big socket or something roll right out, but everything I have ever lost overboard was because I was clumsy and dropped if over the side. Here is a picture I happened to have if it helps.

[Steve-o]

Quick and dirty resizing, let's hope it worked.

[NOTANX]

i have one huge scupper on my cat between the hulls. it will let a lot of water in when sitting or backing up. the water emptys out of the boat extremely fast though and is imposible to clog. i am unable to replace it though because of the size of the hole that would be left when removing it.

[BLACKFIN]

It depends on whether your boat has a open style transom - where the transom is only about 2 or so inches thick with direct access from the cockpit sole. If the cockpit sole is above the waterline all the way back to the inside face of the transom, then without a doubt go with the SeaStop (plastic) or Gemlux (SS) flapper type. The more water you can move out the better. I am very happy having used these type scuppers. The problem with the ball type is their limited flow capacity - and they are more likely to become clogged.

The scupper opening on the SeaStop types thru the transom is about 2 x 6 inches. If your boat has a reverse angle transom like mine, then you may want to use a wedge mounting block to prevent the flapper from staying open due to gravity. SeaStop makes matching wedges - Gemlux doesn't, but thye're easy to fabricate. Make sure you mark the waterline location before drilling/cutting with one or two people standing in the back of the boat to ensure seawater does not seep in because the scuppers were installed below an "aft weighted" waterline. The Gemlux look better, but the SeasTop ones have rigid doors which will never flex out of shape.

Here's a couple pics.

Scupper opening on inside face of transom. There is a scupper on the port & strbd side.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/blackfin28/scupperinside.jpg

SeaStop type scupper (about $18 for a pair).

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/blackfin28/seastop.jpg

Gemlux stainless steel scupper (about $45 each).

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/blackfin28/845.jpg

[NOTANX]

BLACKFIN, i believe that is the problem with my scupper. i dont have that wedge type spacer and gravity keeps it open. i think you just sent me in the right direction for solving my problem. thanks!!

[BLACKFIN]

Notanx, you can see the wedge mounted behind the white SeaStop (or Sea Block) scupper in the pic. It's 10 degrees - my transom angle is a reverse 13 degrees, but the wedge makes a great difference. These are very efficient scuppers.