Nice Editorials/Op-Ed Page (Another bin Laden Victory)

[roy_nexus_6]

TODAY'S COLUMNIST
By Michael F. Scheuer
October 25, 2006

In a world where leading Western experts have consigned Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda to near-irrelevant status, the gangly Saudi is on the verge of seeing the forces he leads and inspires knock off their third infidel government. Not bad for a guy running from rock to rock and cave to cave.
First was the defeat of Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar's conservative government after the Islamists' 2003 attack on Madrid's train station. Spanish voters ousted that rarity, a European leader who recognized bin Laden led much more than a criminal gang, and that Islamists would have to be confronted and smashed with a heavy, prolonged application of Western military power. Sadly, Mr. Aznar allowed himself to believe Washington's delusion that war in Iraq would be an effective, tide-turning extension of the battle against Islamist militancy. He paid the ultimate electoral price for indulging that lethal pipe dream, and the West lost a man who had accurately gauged the severity of the Islamist threat.
Next down the drain was the government of Thailand via last month's military coup. After the coup, rumors of deposed Premier Thaksin Shinawatra's corrupt activities spread, but at base the Thai generals seized power because of the increasing intensity of the Islamist separatist revolt in Thailand's three Muslim-dominated southern provinces. Nearly 2,000 people have died there since 2003, the central government is losing its grip in the region, and Mr. Thaksin's military response to the unrest was making little progress.
The Thai generals named a Thai Muslim as the new premier, and he has said it is time to slow military operations and talk about autonomy for the Muslim south. As always, what seems reasonable to the West and the westernized Thai will be seen by Thai Islamists and their backers as a long step toward victory that requires more military aggressiveness.
Bin Laden, his lieutenants and their allies are no doubt pleased by the destruction of the Spanish and Thai governments and the exhilarating message it sends to the worldwide Islamist movement: The infidels are weak, politically divided, terrified of using full military power and think we can be appeased. In short, war works; keep at it.
Even so, bin Laden, et. al, know the biggest prize looms just ahead — the chance that the Republican Party will be ousted from one or both houses of Congress. There are many factors contributing to this possibility: the Foley abomination, other corruption cases, the trumped?up "crisis" over First Amendment rights and the administration's ill-informed and ham-fisted handling of the Iraq and Afghan wars. If the Republicans are ousted, pundits on both sides of the aisle will find the causes strictly in America's navel.

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20061024-090445-5244r.htm

[jackpine savage]

Nice, so you are saying that a vote for the Democras is a vote fot Bin Laden. You guys are to much.

[Christof]

I dont think anyone should vote based simply on what it may mean to Bin Laden's, but I do have to agree that a Repub loss will be taken as a victory by them... Sad times..

[DIVERTOM]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lind/lind103.html

Here's a link to an article by a conservative who blames the "End of the
West" on World War One. Interesting reading and if you get to the end
he feels the Moslems are starting to bury the casket right now.

[jackpine savage]

I dont think anyone should vote based simply on what it may mean to Bin Laden's, but I do have to agree that a Repub loss will be taken as a victory by them... Sad times..
Yep it is a sad time

[DIVERTOM]

A vote for for Dems is a positive sign for Osama? They know what Bush
will do and it would be a mystery for them until the Dems made a move. I
know Kennedy faced down the Russians and I don't think the North
Vietnamese liked Johnson. Maybe we would get the job done with some
Dem leadership. Funny the price of gas is still low now, I wonder if it will
last after the election. If gas was $3.00 a gallon you would se some angry
voters.

[roy_nexus_6]

One thing for sure;
"They" know what John Kerry thinks about our GIs.
30 years ago he called the people with whom he served shoulder to shoulder "rapists and murderers" and a few days ago he implied American GI are uneducated idiots.
John Kerry has verbalized what today DNC leaders really think.

Add to this CNN (the mouthpiece of the DNC) peddling terrorist's propaganda movies and you get the picture. Not a pretty one, is it ?

http://www.620wtmj.com/images/uploaded/Help%20Photo20061101105508.JPG
LMAO !

[Bill McIntyre]

[QUOTE=roy_nexus_6]One thing for sure;
"They" know what John KErry thinks about our GIs.
30 years ago he called the people with whom he served shoulder to shoulder "rapists and murderers" and a few days ago he implied American GI are unrducated idiots.
John Kerry has verbalized what today DNC leaders really think.

QUOTE]

Bullshit! You and Bush know damn well he was referring to Bush, not the troops.

Was he dumb to say something that the GOP machine could spin? Hell yes. But as my quote of the day in another thread said:

Kerry botched a joke. Bushed ****ed up a war. Pick one.

[roy_nexus_6]

[QUOTE=roy_nexus_6]One thing for sure;
"They" know what John KErry thinks about our GIs.
30 years ago he called the people with whom he served shoulder to shoulder "rapists and murderers" and a few days ago he implied American GI are unrducated idiots.
John Kerry has verbalized what today DNC leaders really think.

QUOTE]

Bullshit! You and Bush know damn well he was referring to Bush, not the troops.

Was he dumb to say something that the GOP machine could spin? Hell yes. But as my quote of the day in another thread said:

Kerry botched a joke. Bushed ****ed up a war. Pick one.


Bill, I think it's pretty clear that Kerry and his ilk despise and loathe the military. I don't understand your compulsion to defend this moron.

[jackpine savage]

roy- you ever serve?

[roy_nexus_6]

roy- you ever serve?

Shouldn't matter in this debate, but yes, I have spent a few years in the military.

How about you ?

[jackpine savage]

yes, and I agree it shouldn't matter in this debate. Two things, however, Kerry served and his statement was used out of context by the president. I personally heard his remarks and then read them, must say the idiot can't even read a script. It wasn't funny no matter how it was said but he wasn't maligning the soldiers serving in Iraq. He was stupid but what he was saying was directed at the president and not the troops. When you say his ilk despise and loathe the military what exactly do you mean and what is your evidence to show that he and leaders in the Democrat Party loathe the military.

[roy_nexus_6]

I have heard Kerry's remarks as well, and no I don't belive they were taken out of context. I guess we would have to agree to disagree on this one.

As for the "evidence to show that he and leaders in the Democrat Party loathe the military." ...

Just take a look at the defence spending with a Democrat in control;
Carter has almost decimated American military and so has Clinton.

Somehow both, Carter and Clinton were more worried about disarming the USA then disarming the America's enemies.

A question for you: Did you vote for Ronald Reagan ?

[jackpine savage]

Oddly 1984 was my first election and yes I did. To be totally upfront I was in college and trying to get into this girls pants who was a huge Reagan fan so my judgement was a bit blinded :D

[jackpine savage]

How exactly did Clinton decimate the military if we were able to invade Afghanistan the year he left office (2001) and Iraq two years after? It takes a long time for defense requisitions to actually make a tangible difference to the military so we were able to invade two countries with the military he developed. Looks lie we both can at least agree that Kerry is a complete moron.

[roy_nexus_6]

Actually you and I agree on more topics then we disagree on.

The reason I asked if you voted for Reagan is the recent article I read about Sen. Kennedy's cooperation with KGB during Reagan's presidency and the times of the Cold War. Below, if you care to read it, let me know what you think.

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TODAY'S EDITORIAL
October 28, 2006

History has long since vindicated Ronald Reagan's Cold War policy. Even Sen. Ted Kennedy, whom no one would accuse of harboring pro-Reagan sympathies, had to admit that Mr. Reagan "will be honored as the president who won the Cold War." But opinions have not always been so united.
In his new book, "The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism," Grove City College professor Paul Kengor sheds light on a letter written by KGB head Viktor Chebrikov to Soviet leader Yuri Andropov. The letter is dated May 14, 1983, right as the debate was heating up over Mr. Reagan's proposed deployment of intermediate-range nuclear weapons in Western Europe to counter the Soviets' medium-range rockets in Eastern Europe.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20061027-084248-4386r.htm

[jackpine savage]

Its interesting but I don't doubt Kennedys patriotism or his love of this country. He is the butt of jokes for the conservatives, some deservingly so, but he is two thinks, INHO, he is very smart, not stupid Kerry-like jokes(his personal life is a different story) and I have not doubt he loves the US. I am not suprised if he opposed the deployment of the Pershing II ( I think that was the ones) in Europe. ZI remember that period pretty well and there were a lot of people opposed. Remember the huge street marches in Europe in 83-84 I believe. Again the article is based on one persons account I would have to see more evidence befoer I accused him of something that serious. It would be nice if the KGB opened up their old archives but I doubt they will.

[aaron proffitt]

[QUOTE=roy_nexus_6]One thing for sure;
"They" know what John KErry thinks about our GIs.
30 years ago he called the people with whom he served shoulder to shoulder "rapists and murderers" and a few days ago he implied American GI are unrducated idiots.
John Kerry has verbalized what today DNC leaders really think.

QUOTE]

Bullshit! You and Bush know damn well he was referring to Bush, not the troops.

Was he dumb to say something that the GOP machine could spin? Hell yes. But as my quote of the day in another thread said:

Kerry botched a joke. Bushed ****ed up a war. Pick one.


My turn to call bullshit ,BIll !!!!
Kerry is just another limousin liberal elitist.He meant exactly what he said !!

[jackpine savage]

Aaron- Kerry is exactly that, I do believe he also showed very bad political judgement. Even if he told the joke the way it was written it wasn't funny. Aren't Senators supposed to have aides who take them aside and say, Hey, don't do this! He is very much out of touch with the average American, something he shares with the President and V.P. All we seem to get as national leaders are the very rich and the very stupid.

[roy_nexus_6]

JERUSALEM – Everybody has an opinion about next Tuesday's midterm congressional election in the U.S. – including senior terrorist leaders interviewed by WND who say they hope Americans sweep the Democrats into power because of the party's position on withdrawing from Iraq, a move, as they see it, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.

The terrorists told WorldNetDaily an electoral win for the Democrats would prove to them Americans are "tired."

They rejected statements from some prominent Democrats in the U.S. that a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency, explaining an evacuation would prove resistance works and would compel jihadists to continue fighting until America is destroyed.

They said a withdrawal would also embolden their own terror groups to enhance "resistance" against Israel.

"Of course Americans should vote Democrat," Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group and the infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity, told WND.

"This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud," said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.

Jaara was the chief in Bethlehem of the Brigades, the declared "military wing" of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party.

Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.

Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats' talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel "proud."

"As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk," he told WND. "Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal."

Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas' military wing in the Gaza Strip, said the policy of withdrawal "proves the strategy of the resistance is the right strategy against the occupation."

"We warned the Americans that this will be their end in Iraq," said Abu Abdullah, considered one of the most important operational members of Hamas' Izzedine al-Qassam Martyrs Brigades, Hamas' declared "resistance" department. "They did not succeed in stealing Iraq's oil, at least not at a level that covers their huge expenses. They did not bring stability. Their agents in the [Iraqi] regime seem to have no chance to survive if the Americans withdraw."

Abu Ayman, an Islamic Jihad leader in Jenin, said he is "emboldened" by those in America who compare the war in Iraq to Vietnam.

"[The mujahedeen fighters] brought the Americans to speak for the first time seriously and sincerely that Iraq is becoming a new Vietnam and that they should fix a schedule for their withdrawal from Iraq," boasted Abu Ayman.

The terror leaders spoke as the debate regarding the future of America's war in Iraq has perhaps become the central theme of midterm elections, with most Democrats urging a timetable for withdrawal and Republicans mostly advocating staying the course in Iraq.

President Bush has even said he would send more troops if Gen. George Casey, the top U.S. commander in Baghdad, said they are needed to stabilize the region.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52747