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Bill McIntyre
11-19-2006, 08:05 PM
Embittered Insiders Turn Against Bush
By Peter Baker
The Washington Post

Sunday 19 November 2006

The weekend after the statue of Saddam Hussein fell, Kenneth Adelman and a couple of other promoters of the Iraq war gathered at Vice President Cheney's residence to celebrate. The invasion had been the "cakewalk" Adelman predicted. Cheney and his guests raised their glasses, toasting President Bush and victory. "It was a euphoric moment," Adelman recalled.

Forty-three months later, the cakewalk looks more like a death march, and Adelman has broken with the Bush team. He had an angry falling- out with Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld this fall. He and Cheney are no longer on speaking terms. And he believes that "the president is ultimately responsible" for what Adelman now calls "the debacle that was Iraq."

Adelman, a former Reagan administration official and onetime member of the Iraq war brain trust, is only the latest voice from inside the Bush circle to speak out against the president or his policies. Heading into the final chapter of his presidency, fresh from the sting of a midterm election defeat, Bush finds himself with fewer and fewer friends. Some of the strongest supporters of the war have grown disenchanted, former insiders are registering public dissent and Republicans on Capitol Hill blame him for losing Congress.

A certain weary crankiness sets in with any administration after six years. By this point in Bill Clinton's tenure, bitter Democrats were competing to denounce his behavior with an intern even as they were trying to fight off his impeachment. Ronald Reagan was deep in the throes of the Iran-contra scandal. But Bush's strained relations with erstwhile friends and allies take on an extra edge of bitterness amid the dashed hopes of the Iraq venture.

"There are a lot of lives that are lost," Adelman said in an interview last week. "A country's at stake. A region's at stake. This is a gigantic situation... . This didn't have to be managed this bad. It's just awful."

The sense of Bush abandonment accelerated during the final weeks of the campaign with the publication of a former aide's book accusing the White House of moral hypocrisy and with Vanity Fair quoting Adelman, Richard N. Perle and other neoconservatives assailing White House leadership of the war.

Since the Nov. 7 elections, Republicans have pinned their woes on the president.

"People expect a level of performance they are not getting," former House speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) said in a speech. Many were livid that Bush waited until after the elections to oust Rumsfeld.

"If Rumsfeld had been out, you bet it would have made a difference," Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) said on television. "I'd still be chairman of the Judiciary Committee."

And so, in what some saw as a rebuke, Senate Republicans restored Trent Lott (Miss.) to their leadership four years after the White House helped orchestrate his ouster, with some saying they could no longer place their faith entirely in Bush.

Some insiders said the White House invited the backlash. "Anytime anyone holds themselves up as holy, they're judged by a different standard," said David Kuo, a former deputy director of the Bush White House's faith-based initiatives who wrote "Tempting Faith," a book that accused the White House of pandering to Christian conservatives. "And at the end of the day, this was a White House that held itself up as holy."

Richard N. Haass, a former top Bush State Department official and now president of the Council on Foreign Relations, said a radically different approach to world affairs naturally generates criticism. "The emphasis on promotion of democracy, the emphasis on regime change, the war of choice in Iraq - all of these are departures from the traditional approach," he said, "so it's not surprising to me that it generates more reaction."

The willingness to break with Bush also underscores the fact that the president spent little time courting many natural allies in Washington, according to some Republicans. GOP leaders in Congress often bristled at what they perceived to be a do-what-we-say approach by the White House. Some of those who did have more personal relationships with Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld came to feel the sense of disappointment more acutely because they believed so strongly in the goals the president laid out for his administration.

The arc of Bush's second term has shown that the most powerful criticism originates from the inside. The pragmatist crowd around Colin L. Powell began speaking out nearly two years ago after he was eased out as secretary of state. Powell lieutenants such as Haass, Richard L. Armitage, Carl W. Ford Jr. and Lawrence B. Wilkerson took public the policy debates they lost on the inside. Many who worked in Iraq returned deeply upset and wrote books such as "Squandered Victory" (Larry Diamond) and "Losing Iraq" (David L. Phillips). Military and CIA officials unloaded after leaving government, culminating in the "generals' revolt" last spring when retired flag officers called for Rumsfeld's dismissal.

On the domestic side, Bush allies in Congress, interest groups and the conservative media broke their solidarity with the White House out of irritation over a number of issues, including federal spending, illegal immigration, the Supreme Court nomination of Harriet Miers, the response to Hurricane Katrina and the Dubai Ports World deal.

Most striking lately, though, has been the criticism from neoconservatives who provided the intellectual framework for Bush's presidency. Perle, Adelman and others advocated a robust use of U.S. power to advance the ideals of democracy and freedom, targeting Hussein's Iraq as a threat that could be turned into an opportunity.

In an interview last week, Perle said the administration's big mistake was occupying the country rather than creating an interim Iraqi government led by a coalition of exile groups to take over after Hussein was toppled. "If I had known that the U.S. was going to essentially establish an occupation, then I'd say, 'Let's not do it,' " and instead find another way to target Hussein, Perle said. "It was a foolish thing to do."

Perle, head of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board at the time of the 2003 invasion, said he still believes the invasion was justified. But he resents being called "the architect of the Iraq war," because "my view was different from the administration's view from the very beginning" about how to conduct it. "I am not critical now of anything about which I was not critical before," he said. "I've said it more publicly."

White House officials tend to brush off each criticism by claiming it was over-interpreted or misguided. "I just fundamentally disagree," Cheney said of the comments by Perle, Adelman and other neoconservatives before the midterm elections. Others close to the White House said the neoconservatives are dealing with their own sense of guilt over how events have turned out and are eager to blame Bush to avoid their own culpability.

Joshua Muravchik, a neoconservative at the American Enterprise Institute, said he is distressed "to see neocons turning on Bush" but said he believes they should admit mistakes and openly discuss what went wrong. "All of us who supported the war have to share some of the blame for that," he said. "There's a question to be sorted out: whether the war was a sound idea but very badly executed. And if that's the case, it appears to me the person most responsible for the bad execution was Rumsfeld, and it means neocons should not get too angry at Bush about that."

It may also be, he said, that the mistake was the idea itself - that Iraq could serve as a democratic beacon for the Middle East. "That part of our plan is down the drain," Muravchik said, "and we have to think about what we can do about keeping alive the idea of democracy."

Few of the original promoters of the war have grown as disenchanted as Adelman. The chief of Reagan's arms control agency, Adelman has been close to Cheney and Rumsfeld for decades and even worked for Rumsfeld at one point. As a member of the Defense Policy Board, he wrote in The Washington Post before the Iraq war that it would be "a cakewalk."

But in interviews with Vanity Fair, the New Yorker and The Post, Adelman said he became unhappy about the conduct of the war soon after his ebullient night at Cheney's residence in 2003. The failure to find weapons of mass destruction disturbed him. He said he was disgusted by the failure to stop the looting that followed Hussein's fall and by Rumsfeld's casual dismissal of it with the phrase "stuff happens." The breaking point, he said, was Bush's decision to award Medals of Freedom to occupation chief L. Paul Bremer, Gen. Tommy R. Franks and then-CIA Director George J. Tenet.

"The three individuals who got the highest civilian medals the president can give were responsible for a lot of the debacle that was Iraq," Adelman said. All told, he said, the Bush national security team has proved to be "the most incompetent" of the past half- century. But, he added, "Obviously, the president is ultimately responsible."

Adelman said he remained silent for so long out of loyalty. "I didn't want to bad-mouth the administration," he said. In private, though, he spoke out, resulting in a furious confrontation with Rumsfeld, who summoned him to the Pentagon in September and demanded his resignation from the defense board.

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Bill McIntyre
11-19-2006, 08:06 PM
(Continued from above)

"It seemed like nobody was getting it," Adelman said. "It seemed like everything was locked in. It seemed like everything was stuck." He agrees he bears blame as well. "I think that's fair. When you advocate a policy that turns bad, you do have some responsibility."

Most troubling, he said, are his shattered ideals: "The whole philosophy of using American strength for good in the world, for a foreign policy that is really value-based instead of balanced-power-based, I don't think is disproven by Iraq. But it's certainly discredited."

Marcus
11-20-2006, 11:19 AM
wow.

Gradyman
11-20-2006, 02:14 PM
Wow is right...it's a disheartening situation. I think the last paragraph speaks volumes for a lot of people.

chasintail
11-20-2006, 06:39 PM
I read that whole post. I think I need to poo.

jackpine savage
11-20-2006, 06:58 PM
That article is a great example of arrogance run amok.

rigdvr
11-20-2006, 07:31 PM
think the presidents war ideas are unpopular...wait till Rangle pushes on this draft issue some more. Thats a great first step forward(or is it backward?) for the democrats who always seem to be their own worst enemy.

Bill McIntyre
11-20-2006, 07:34 PM
think the presidents war ideas are unpopular...wait till Rangle pushes on this draft issue some more. Thats a great first step forward(or is it backward?) for the democrats who always seem to be their own worst enemy.

I wonder if he is really serious, or just trying to make a point that we can't handle present committments with the present size of the force?

chasintail
11-20-2006, 07:36 PM
Luckily I have not pooed yet.I can't print this tread for bathroom material after Mike and Bill abuse one anothers political views.

Bill McIntyre
11-20-2006, 07:46 PM
Calm down Nick. I don't think we are fighting. I just posed a reason why he might do something so apparently stupid.

jackpine savage
11-20-2006, 08:28 PM
Rangel isn't serious about the draft, although it would be the best thing for this nation. I believe its called shared sacrifice. I personally believe this nation should have mandatory public service for every man and woman 18-20. Choose the military, peace corp, student teaching, cleaning our national parks. Give people a sense of being part of a greater good.

aaron proffitt
11-20-2006, 08:28 PM
I wonder if he is really serious, or just trying to make a point that we can't handle present committments with the present size of the force?


You'd just love to see us fail there wouldn't ya ? God forbid Iraq actually be success.

Wayward Son
11-20-2006, 08:32 PM
There will not be a draft & Rangle knows it. He's playing politics.

Wayward Son
11-20-2006, 08:34 PM
They called him on it a while back & had a floor vote. As I recall, he didn't even vote for it & it was his idea that he was pushing. The pentagon doesn't want one, hell even Pelosi doesn't want it. It's just political posturing.

chasintail
11-20-2006, 08:38 PM
[QUOTE=jackpine savage]Rangel isn't serious about the draft, although it would be the best thing for this nation.

Why would a draft be the best thing for the nation?We have plenty of soliders doing a fine job.I would hate to see 18 year old kids being forced into another war.I believe our soldiers who are war willing do a better job.That being said I would glady take the place of a kid with a bright future being drafted.

junior
11-20-2006, 08:39 PM
I don't think Iraq will be sorted out by us. It will happen long after we are gone and not a day before they have gotten tired of killing each other. The trick is getting the hell out of the unfortunate mess without looking like losers. If I were Bush, I would saddle the next guy with the dirty work of pulling out.

aaron proffitt
11-20-2006, 08:42 PM
Not to mention,Nick, the warriors today are more educated and from higher economic backgrounds than in the past.The whole demographic of the enlisted man has changed.It's nothing to have junior enlisted guys with more education than our commander.

jackpine savage
11-20-2006, 08:52 PM
The politicians of this country would be more hesitant about getting us involved in military conflicts that don't have the majority of our nation behind them if everyones son and daughter served, I am not refering to Iraq by the way. I also believe that the military should only be only one option of public service, if someone doesnt like the military let them work the borders or repair schools or plant trees in national parks. The kids of this country for the most part have a pretty poor sense of what being an American means. And I am not refering to those who choose to serve their nation. It would be nice if the citizens of this country had to give something to the nation which offers us all so much.

chasintail
11-20-2006, 08:53 PM
.It's nothing to have junior enlisted guys with more education than our commander.


I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed but wouldn't that make them officers?

chasintail
11-20-2006, 08:56 PM
It would be nice if the citizens of this country had to give something to the nation which offers us all so much.

We do,about 33% of what we earn.This is not a complaint,just a statement.

jackpine savage
11-20-2006, 09:01 PM
Well I think there is a bit more to being an American than paying taxes, maybe I am an idealist but I was raised with the belief that I should give something back to my country

aaron proffitt
11-20-2006, 09:03 PM
I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed but wouldn't that make them officers?


Ah,not so, my friend. They didn't opt to go thru Officer Training Schools and so on.
Fact is, the NCO corp is what seperates our armed forces from all others. That is why many CHOOSE to remain NCOs as opposed to Officers.

My Senior Enlisted Advisor has his M.A. in Criminal Justice as an example. He just enjoys being enlisted.Another unit we train with alot has a District Judge as a E-5 enlisted man.

mnguy
11-20-2006, 09:49 PM
We do,about 33% of what we earn.This is not a complaint,just a statement.

:yup:

I think the beauty of this country is that it gives without forcing you to give back. If I wanted to live in a country where I had no choice in giving something back to the government, I would move to Singapore, Israel or some other country with forced conscription.

With the way the economy has grown, nobody sees their time as well spent if they aren't working for money. Humans are, IMO, creatures that naturally seek the highest utility for their actions. If we were a country of rabid nationalist zealots then maybe the pride of country utility would overtake the monetary value of one's time. If you had another Great Depression-like unemployment rate, then people might be willing to help the government plant trees in the forest or build roads, etc like the programs did back then since pennies on the dollar beat the hell out of nothing.

Bill McIntyre
11-20-2006, 10:14 PM
We do,about 33% of what we earn.This is not a complaint,just a statement.

But its probably not an accurate statement. Here is a tax table. I'm afraid its not too clear because I copied it from an IRS site and pasted it, and it doesn't line up well.

Schedule Y-1 — Married Filing Jointly or Qualifying Widow(er)

If taxable income is over-- But not over-- The tax is:
$0 $14,600 10% of the amount over $0
$14,600 $59,400 $1,460.00 plus 15% of the amount over 14,600
$59,400 $119,950 $8,180 plus 25% of the amount over 59,400
$119,950 $182,800 $23,317.50 plus 28% of the amount over 119,950
$182,800 $326,450 $40,915.50 plus 33% of the amount over 182,800
$326,450 no limit $88,320.00 plus 35% of the amount over 326,450

So if you made $182,500, total tax would be $40,915.50, which is 22.4% of income. That is still significant, but its not 33% of income.

Excuse the digression from the subject, but having taught econ and finance for 20 years, its a pet peeve of mine that people don't understand the difference between marginal tax rate, the percentage of the last increment of income that is paid in tax, and average tax rate.

aaron proffitt
11-20-2006, 10:16 PM
But if Bill's party has it their way you can count on those numbers to double.

Bill McIntyre
11-20-2006, 10:26 PM
The politicians of this country would be more hesitant about getting us involved in military conflicts that don't have the majority of our nation behind them if everyones son and daughter served, I am not refering to Iraq by the way.

I agree, and I am talking about everyone serving in the military. The way it is now, the average person just isn't engaged. Its someone else's kid, and if that average person doesn't think its worth it to serve and his kid doesn't either, then the war is not their concern. They need to fear that their kids will have to serve too.

But while that's my idealistic attitude, I'll have to admit to being talked out of it. When I attended a talk by General Anthony Zinni, he said that its tough enough to lead volunteers who may have become disenchanted without having to deal with guys who had to be dragged into it in the first place. And our troops are so much better trained than in previous wars, and that wouldn't be possible with draftees serving for a couple of year.

But the cynic in me says that the rich and influential will always find a way to keep their kids from serving anyway, so its silly to think we can change it.

aaron proffitt
11-20-2006, 10:29 PM
But the cynic in me says that the rich and influential will always find a way to keep their kids from serving anyway, so its silly to think we can change it.


Says the retired Lt. Col....

Talk about your limousin liberals,talk to a PFC who's serving presently;for god sakes.