ACLU Nativity Scene

[apnea_complex]

Got this from worldnetdaily.com
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Students plan 'ACLU Nativity Scene'
Features 'Gary and Joseph,' no Jesus, Nancy Pelosi as angel



Campus activists plan to display an "ACLU Nativity Scene" at the University of Texas in response to the civil liberties group's "extreme" campaign to remove Christmas from the public sphere.

"We've got Gary and Joseph instead of Mary and Joseph in order to symbolize ACLU support for homosexual marriage, and of course there isn't a Jesus in the manger," said Tony McDonald, chairman of the Young Conservatives of Texas branch on the Austin campus.

McDonald told WND his group has been working on the "crèche" at his apartment and plans to install it on the West Mall of the campus for display Monday and Tuesday

The three Wise Men in the display are Lenin, Marx and Stalin, McDonald said, because ACLU founder Roger Baldwin was a backer of Soviet-style communism.

As director of the ACLU in 1934, Baldwin wrote an article entitled "Freedom in the U.S.A. and the U.S.S.R." in which he said "the Soviet Union has already created liberties far greater than exist elsewhere in the world."

"The whole scene is a tongue-in-cheek way of showing the many ways that the ACLU and the far left are out of touch with the values of mainstream America," McDonald said in a statement.

The scene will also have a "terrorist shepherd" and an angel with Democratic Rep. Nancy Pelosi's face, using a photograph of the soon-to-be speaker of the House from San Francisco

"The ACLU and other left-wing extremist groups are working diligently to destroy Americans' rights to the free expression of religion," said the Young Conservatives' Executive Director Joseph Wyly.

Wyly pointed to the city of Chicago's decision this week to ban advertisements for "The Nativity Story" movie from a local Christmas festival, fearing they might offend non-Christians.

"It's just more evidence that there is a war on Christmas being waged by the far-left in this country," he said.

[Luke]

Screw the ACLU. They have contributed to the downfall of America. ****ing hippies.

[Bill McIntyre]

The "war on Christmas" is one of the greatest scams conceived by the Religious Rieich. There is no war on Christmas. There are already Christmas lights on houses all down my block, and trees in those houses. That may not have a hell of a lot to do with the original meaning of Christmas, but its the way people and business want to celebrate it, and no one is stopping them.

That commercialism constitutes the real war on Christmas, but the RR is not bitching about that.

Thanks God for the ACLU, particularly in this time when the administration would infringe upon our constitutional rights as far as we let it.

I think a lot of you think that the ACLU tries to protect rights that don't concern you, or people that you don't care about. One of my favorite rebuttals is this famous one from a German pastor.

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller

[Luke]

**** the ACLU. They can ****off because of Christmas, they can ****off because of all the inmates still sitting on deathrow, and they can ****off because of all the other things that have gone wrong with society since they stuck their noses into everything else.

[apnea_complex]

Bill,

The ACLU is a joke. Lets say a Muslim group decides to have some sort of public religious display and the City told them that they could not have it because it is offensive, the ACLU would be there in a heat beat and file a law suit against the city. Now lets say a Christian organization wanted to put up a nativity scene in a public place, the ACLU would be the first ones to try and stop it because it “offends” people.

As for the, “War on Christmas”, I was just reading some statistics that stated, 85 % of Americans consider themselves Christian, 96% of Americans celebrate Christmas. When I was younger my Father used to take me to Balboa Park (in San Diego) every December they used to have what was called, “Christmas on The Prado”. They have since changed the name to, “December Nights” to be more, “politically correct”. I think there is a problem when we start changing, “Christmas Parades” into, “Winter Parades”, and start taking the word Christmas out of schools, and public places. I would not call it a “war” but a problem.

[Bill McIntyre]

I don't agree with everything the ACLU does, but I'll keep paying my dues.

[ITSABOUTTIME]

The ACLU protects us from oranizations like the Boy Scouts who would otherwise go unchecked

[Bill McIntyre]

The ACLU protects us from oranizations like the Boy Scouts who would otherwise go unchecked

Good point. Kids should get the message about tolerance and anti-discrimination at an early age.

[mnguy]

I wonder if the ACLU will take my case. I wanna sue the NAACP because I've never seen a non-black leader/speaker in the NAACP and they've never stood up for my yellow ass. When the drinking fountains were segregated, you'd find my ass on the colored side too. When the toilets were segregated, you'd find me on the dank and filthy side too. I want to move to force their name change to the NAABP, since they ain't doin shit for all the colors.

I think that the changing Christmas to holidays and generally sanitizing the culture is pretty stupid though, but I blame America for that and not the ACLU. The ACLU may be the figurehead and the most outspoken element for these kinds of actions, but the American people are obviously agreeing with them enough and allowing them to go through with their ideas. I believe that we, the people who let them get away with it, bear a good portion of the responsibility.

[Wayward Son]

Good point. Kids should get the message about tolerance and anti-discrimination at an early age.

So lemme see if I understand this:

The republican party is bad because they allowed mark Foley to be in a position of trust & having access to teenage male interns, but the Boy Scouts are scum for taking steps to prevent gay male adults from being in a position of trust & having access to teenage males?

Were you ever in the Scouts, Bill?

[Megabeast]

:cussing: It's Merry F'n Christmas! Not Happy Holidays! :cussing:

[jackpine savage]

I hope they have pictures of this nativity scene somewhere, I would love to check it out. For anyone who is offended by such a nativity all I can say is where is your sense of humor. If this country would lighten up just a little and laugh at things we would all be better off.

[Bill McIntyre]

So lemme see if I understand this:

The republican party is bad because they allowed mark Foley to be in a position of trust & having access to teenage male interns, but the Boy Scouts are scum for taking steps to prevent gay male adults from being in a position of trust & having access to teenage males?

Were you ever in the Scouts, Bill?

No, the Republican Party was bad because it knew Foley was taking advantage of his position of trust and didn't stop him. I'm willing to have gays in Congress, and I'm willing to have gays in the boy scouts. I only care if they take advantage.

There are plenty of heterosexuals molesting kids too. Being gay does not make you a child molester, nor does being heterosexual.

I was in the Scouts briefly, but I flunked out. As you can probably appreciate, I was never one for sitting around doing merit badges on knots or going on highly organized camping trips on which we all had to gather wood and sit around camp fires singing scouting songs. I figured that shit might be OK for kids with Dads who never did anything in the outdoors, but my Dad was taking me on hunting and fishing trips that were a hell of a lot more fun than scouting.

Edit- "Merry Christmas" is fine with me. In fact that's what I say to my friends, and the ACLU hasn't cancelled my membership.

[Bill McIntyre]

BTW, you left out atheists. Last I heard, the Boy Scouts insisted on discriminating against kids who refused to profess a belief in God.

As a private organization, they are free to discriminate against any group that they don't like. I just don't want them using my tax dollars to discriminate. I don't want them meeting in public buildings, and I don't want them holding their annual jamboree on a military base. After all, we wouldn't let the Klan meet in a public building.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have the impression that the Girl Scouts don't engage in this discrimination. I always knew I liked girls better.

[zenspearo]

I don't agree with everything the ACLU does, but I'll keep paying my dues.

Ditto.

The ACLU's stance on the first amendment may rub many people the wrong way but they are protecting the principles, not necessarily any group.

Remember that for they don't only take up on behalf of NAACP, they also take up cases on behalf of the KKK when they feel that the KKK's rights are infringed.

Think of this scenario: if you are ever mistakenly ID'ed as a terrorist (like that guy in Oregon or that German dude who's suing right now) and on your way to your "extraordinary rendition" flight without your family or anyone knowing where you are, which group is on your short list to beg for help in defending you?

That's what I thought.

[apnea_complex]

I hope they have pictures of this nativity scene somewhere, I would love to check it out. For anyone who is offended by such a nativity all I can say is where is your sense of humor. If this country would lighten up just a little and laugh at things we would all be better off.

I guess they changed the name to be more, "politically correct".

[jackpine savage]

Lets see there is Joe Stalin, Karl Marx, Nancy Pelosi as the angel, two guys representing joseph and mary, but who is the guy between Marx and Stalin.

[apnea_complex]

Lenin

[jackpine savage]

Duh, should have been able to put that together. Were is Mao? Thought he and Castro would have made great shepards.

[apnea_complex]

Hugo Chávez would have made a good addition also.

[jackpine savage]

hes to busy celebrating his election victory, something none of the others ever bothered with.

[dmay]

They good be the animals in the manger, maybe a jackass and a cow?

[jackpine savage]

I have to say if I drove by that thing I would definitely get a laugh, wouldn't be offended in the least. Bet there are a lot of people who would get upset by it though.

[zenspearo]

That's funny as hell. The angel figure looks like "the artist formerly known as Prince".

[aaron proffitt]

[QUOTE=Bill McIntyre]There are plenty of heterosexuals molesting kids too. Being gay does not make you a child molester, nor does being heterosexual.

Not sure I agree. If your a dude who is married but on occasion likes to grab a 13 year-old by the root....then your gay. And a chester.Being gay doesn't have to mean you like the company of 'lil boys,but likin' lil boys damn sure don't make you straight.

[mnguy]

[QUOTE=Bill McIntyre]There are plenty of heterosexuals molesting kids too. Being gay does not make you a child molester, nor does being heterosexual.

Not sure I agree. If your a dude who is married but on occasion likes to grab a 13 year-old by the root....then your gay. And a chester.Being gay doesn't have to mean you like the company of 'lil boys,but likin' lil boys damn sure don't make you straight.

By your logic, you actually are agreeing with Bill. A simple swap of the opposites of girl for boy and gay for straight will yield.

If you're a dude who is married but on occasion likes to grab 13 year old girls by the clam...then you're straight. And a chester. Being straight doesn't have to mean you like the company of 'lil girls, but likin' 'lil girls damn sure don't make you gay.

Ergo, being gay/straight has no explicit result of being a child molester.

[aaron proffitt]

By your logic, you actually are agreeing with Bill. A simple swap of the opposites of girl for boy and gay for straight will yield.

If you're a dude who is married but on occasion likes to grab 13 year old girls by the clam...then you're straight. And a chester. Being straight doesn't have to mean you like the company of 'lil girls, but likin' 'lil girls damn sure don't make you gay.

Ergo, being gay/straight has no explicit result of being a child molester.


To a point your right,I was just associating men touching boys= makes you gay.That's all.

[fast97rs]

Luke and Apnea,

If your ever in my part of town.... I owe you two 6ers!


Jorgy

[apnea_complex]

Luke and Apnea,

If your ever in my part of town.... I owe you two 6ers!


Jorgy

Saweet!

[bgbill]

BTW, you left out atheists. Last I heard, the Boy Scouts insisted on discriminating against kids who refused to profess a belief in God.

As a private organization, they are free to discriminate against any group that they don't like. I just don't want them using my tax dollars to discriminate. I don't want them meeting in public buildings, and I don't want them holding their annual jamboree on a military base. After all, we wouldn't let the Klan meet in a public building.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have the impression that the Girl Scouts don't engage in this discrimination. I always knew I liked girls better.

Bill,

What do you think of the United Negro College Fund?

Do you think if there was a Unite Caucasian College Fund, that the ACLU would approve?

Then there is the NAACP, what would happen if there was a National Association for the Advancement of Caucasion People?

Do you think the ACLU would approve?

NOW meets in Public buildings, but I doubt I am welcome because I am not an ugly fat woman who can't get a man, so I will join up with up bunch of other can't get laid man hating women.

[Bill McIntyre]

Bret,

As far as I know, the United Negro College Fund is private and doesn't get my tax dollars. People are free to contribute money to caucasian college funds, Asian college funds, pigmy college funds, or whatever the hell they want, and I doubt the ACLU will have a problem.

Does NOW really meet in government buildings? If so, and if they have to pay to use the hall on the same basis as everyone else, I'd have no problem with it.

Or if the building is for use of the public at no cost, then they have as much right to use it as anyone.

The Boy Scouts have their national jamboree on a military base, but just not everyone can use the base for a meeting.

[aaron proffitt]

The Boy Scouts have their national jamboree on a military base, but just not everyone can use the base for a meeting.


Bill,
doesn't the Boy Scouts kinda fall into the militarys civic duty sorta charity thing ? Kind of like the Marine Corps Toys for Tots program, not something that they are ordered to do but volunteer to do ?
They aren't ordered by executive order to host the Boy Scouts are they ?

[intowin]

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[apnea_complex]

Think of this scenario: if you are ever mistakenly ID'ed as a terrorist (like that guy in Oregon or that German dude who's suing right now) and on your way to your "extraordinary rendition" flight without your family or anyone knowing where you are, which group is on your short list to beg for help in defending you?

That's what I thought.

True. also, If you're an old man and like to have sex with little boys (NAMBLA) and are arrested for rapping a 10 year old, the ACLU will also represent you pro bono.

[mnguy]

True. also, If you're an old man and like to have sex with little boys (NAMBLA) and are arrested for rapping a 10 year old, the ACLU will also represent you pro bono.

I guess you gotta take the good with the bad. Kind of like the American justice system. We nail lots of criminals all the time, but sometimes we convict innocent people of crimes they didn't commit. Would you throw out the justice system because of that?

[apnea_complex]

no I would not. but really, NAMBLA? I think that just shows they are a little over the edge.

[mnguy]

no I would not. but really, NAMBLA? I think that just shows they are a little over the edge.

Agreed. It would be nice to somehow moderate how crazy the ACLU can be, while keeping some of the good things they do.

NAMBLA and ELF, on the other hand, need to be put on some FBI list of targets of opportunity. Sickos and domestic terrorists should be given no quarter on US soil.

[aaron proffitt]

NAMBLA and ELF, on the other hand, need to be put on some FBI list of targets of opportunity. Sickos and domestic terrorists should be given no quarter on US soil.


Actually,ELF is on a watch list and right now we're working to have PETA removed from the Federal Employees Combined Federal Campaign(a deal where you can have a portion of your pay check sent to the charity of your choice) due to their involvement in numerous domestic terrorism activities.
I mean PETA can do what PETA does,I just have a problem with vegan FBI agent sending them some money deducted directly from his paycheck.Just seems wrong.

[DryEspo]

Aside from the fact that the ACLU is founded by and originated from the principles of a communist wanna-be...
They discriminate in what they choose to side with. Where was the ACLU in Chicago when the organizers of the Christmas Festival had to loose a sponsor of a movie that was Christmas based.

The list is long and endless of the one sided (or way left sided) views of this group.
-2 Amendment rights.. ACLU is basically against your right to bear arms
-Yes they hate the Boy Scouts !
- Back to the Communist/Socialist thing - A. They are fundamentally against Christianity, Christmas Trees to Easter Bunnies..They all go B. They hate capitalism.. Property ownership and the wealthy.
- Open Boarders - They had it in for the Minute Men.

I could go on.. But Chicago just ran a 96 yrd run back ( 2nd one tonight) and this rookie kid is awesome (I am a Tampa Fan, but Chicago is fun to watch )

[mnguy]

Actually,ELF is on a watch list and right now we're working to have PETA removed from the Federal Employees Combined Federal Campaign(a deal where you can have a portion of your pay check sent to the charity of your choice) due to their involvement in numerous domestic terrorism activities.
I mean PETA can do what PETA does,I just have a problem with vegan FBI agent sending them some money deducted directly from his paycheck.Just seems wrong.

Things you learn. Thanks Aaron.

Spearing's been kinda slow lately, what say you we organize a spearboard ELF hunt. Man-powered projectiles only, kill spikes are OK, powerheads only as a dispatching mechanism after subduing the target. No shots from within a vehicle. We can bait em out by all wearing furs and building cabins and lodges in ski territory. I wonder what the price is per head on one of those skinny vegan terrorist bastards.

[zenspearo]

True. also, If you're an old man and like to have sex with little boys (NAMBLA) and are arrested for rapping a 10 year old, the ACLU will also represent you pro bono.

Not this again. If you dig in, you know that this is not true.

ACLU couldn't give a shat about the guy who raped the boy. As far as the ACLU is concerned, they let the rapist rot in jail.

Read the case.

[Luke]

Jorgy,

I will gladly share my 6 pack with you. Then we can throw the bottles at card carrying ACLU members when they walk past.