Wanted: HP 120s

[J Ko]

Does anyone have or know of anyone that has any hp 120s for sale?

Thanks
John

[WreckDiver]

295.00 @ new. From LDS Buy two & get them o2 cleaned and first nitrox fill for free. I think he only had 3 left, but Im sure he will order more if he hasnt already.

[Nikki]

Where's LDS at? Thinking about getting some myself...

[WreckDiver]

Deep Six Divers in Lakeland (863) 688-0830

[WreckDiver]

That Price is for the new PST E series E7-120 much lighter than the E8-120

[Marcus]

Hey Bugged,

Regarding your Avatar, I've seen dogs do the same thing on carpet but it's not nearly as sexy as her. :)

[TGuthrie]

Bugged,

Tanks from PST come O2 clean with viton o-rings and everything. I don't know why Deep Six Divers is charging extra for the O2 cleaning.

[bubblejunkie]

Cause there ripping you off

[TGuthrie]

That's what it sounds like.

[J Ko]

Thanks for the info Bugged.

Hey T what does the white haired wonder sell them for?

[TGuthrie]

about...........$325 o2 cleaned and all.

[WreckDiver]

TG & BJ they info from PST (and I know its just the legal dept.. NITROX clean 40% O2) at least that is what the tag said on mine, now I dont work there but I have known these people for a long time they are not in the bussiness of ripping people off. granted he does have to work with in the price fixing polocies set by the mfg's. but for a dive shop you would have to shop hard to find better deals. He does partial pressure fills, I would say he likes to be safe.

[LuvMyRedDog]

I got a deal at Action Aquatics in Tampa. I bought 5 (with a friend) and Brian charged me $308/tank, O2 cleaned, nitrox stickers, booted and filled w/EAN32. Had to buy 5 to get this deal but I really feel like Sharkbait took care of me.

[bubblejunkie]

I believe you, however those tanks come o2 cleaned, I just bought 11 of them and have talked extensively with pst about this. I understand a small fee to cover stickers but, Most shops want 40 dollars to do something already done. I'm sure their a good company and will definately do business there if I'm ever in that area. Meant no dis, just a little touchy as I just went through this with 11 of my own.

[Capt.Gene]

I've got 4 or 6 used PST 120 cu. ft tanks, nitrox filled, to sell for $225.00 each. Current hydro and vip. Also some 100's for $200. Same deal. Call me if you are interested. Gene.

[TGuthrie]

I agree With BJ. If they are just charging for nitrox stickers that is understandable, but if they O2 clean the tank when it is already done, that just sucks. ( unless its free)

[f94gator]

Originally posted by Bugged
295.00 @ new. From LDS Buy two & get them o2 cleaned and first nitrox fill for free. I think he only had 3 left, but Im sure he will order more if he hasnt already.


Guys, I'm reading this quote again and it doesn't sound so bad. He's not charging for the O2 cleaning, but IS saying that it's free with purchase of 2. Now if I went in and wanted to buy one and he tried to charge for the O2 cleaning, that's BS, but this MIGHT just be some words misinterpreted. If he thinks or is saying he is going to O2 clean them himself, then he's off-base.

He's also throwing in a free fill, but from what I've seen, you can get most dive shops to throw that in for free, considering you're spending a couple hundred bucks at their shop.

[WreckDiver]

Originally posted by f94gator
If he thinks or is saying he is going to O2 clean them himself, then he's off-base.

I build Automatic Transmissions, & I guess (Unfortunatly) I dont no much about tanks other than I did a lot of shopping around & I thought it was a good deal, I have no idea how or what is used to clean the inside of a scuba tank (nor do I care to) Thats one of the things I leave to the Dive shop. I just thought I could help answer someone else's question. :cool:

[J Ko]

Gene,
How old are the tanks?

[f94gator]

Originally posted by Bugged
I build Automatic Transmissions, & I guess (Unfortunatly) I dont no much about tanks other than I did a lot of shopping around & I thought it was a good deal, I have no idea how or what is used to clean the inside of a scuba tank (nor do I care to) Thats one of the things I leave to the Dive shop. I just thought I could help answer someone else's question. :cool:

Well, I think it isn't a bad deal, either. Point is, the guy is selling O2 clean tanks and not charging extra for a cleaning. But since PST's come from the factory O2 clean, if he's trying to give the impression that you're getting an O2 cleaning for free, then he's wrong.

Either way, doesn't matter; $295 for a new 120 is a decent deal. Actually, for the new design, it's an even better deal as they do tend to be more expensive. I was actually trying to come to the defense of your LDS a little bit, sorry if it came out wrong.

[WreckDiver]

Question: Why does PST Scuba say they are nitrox clean to 40% & if you require Partial Pressure fills they have to be O2 cleaned, I talked with the Sales Manager Thomas Ivey. that is a quote from him. Nitrox Ready does not mean O2 clean does it?

[kitefisherman]

Bugged: My O2 sticker allows for 2 levels of O2 certification:

1. O2 cleaned to 40%. This means that the tanks can be filled with a mix having a maximum O2% of 40%. In other words if the gas that is being inserted is premixed and no higher than 40%, that is OK.

2. O2 cleaned to 100%. This means that you can pump in 100% O2 and then dillute it with filtered air. This is what is known as a partial pressure fill.

I do all my own nitrox fills using the partial pressure method. Accordingly, my tanks have to be certified to the second level in order to accomodate 100% during the period before I dillute the gas with air. I can't put the O2 in last because the O2 tanks generally are filled to 2400 PSI and that goes down with each fill.

Perhaps the PST tanks are only cleaned to the first level so that they require a more thorough cleaning before you can fill them using the partial pressure method. That is what it sounds like to me.

Bear in mind, all of this is based on DOT standards. In reality, second level "clean" tanks are often filled with standard air when that is all that is available. Later the same "contaminated" tanks are filled using the partial pressure method. DOT standards would dictate that the contaminated tanks should have been cleaned again prior to partial pressure filling, but often this is never done. I am unaware of any accidents that have occured because of this. This probably because the tank pressures after the 100% O2 has been introduced are too low for an explosion (for example less than 800 PSI).

I'm not saying that we should disregard the DOT guidelines, just letting you know what actually happens in practice.

BTW, love your avitar! :)

[f94gator]

I wasn't aware of the 2 levels. However, I have 2 PST tanks that I bought new a few months ago. They came O2 clean and I've never had a dive shop tell me they needed additional cleaning. So my next question is do most dive shops do fills using premixed nitrox - I don't THINK so, I thought most shops did partial pressure.

Also, there is nothing wrong with filling an O2 clean tank with regular air. This does not contaminate the tank AS LONG as the fill is done at a station that is set up for nitrox, has all the filters and all that stuff. This was something to watch out for a few years ago, but nowadays it seems nearly every dive shop does nitrox fills and has the proper setup.

[kitefisherman]

Paul: my LDS has 2 sets of filling whips: one for standard air fills and one for "superclean" air that is added to the O2 to blend nitrox. If you just want air in your O2 clean tanks, you just fill them with the "superclean" air to avoid "contamination".

[f94gator]

Right. If you went through the regular whips, you just bought yourself another O2 cleaning for no reason!

[kitefisherman]

How often do you think the guys that go to the Keys with their O2 clean tanks, only to discover that the fill station there doesn't do nitrox, fill their tanks there anyway, later go back to their LDS, fess up and demand that their tanks be O2 cleaned again? I suspect that the level of complianfce is not too high because the LDS has no way of knowing whether the tank is still clean or not. Still tanks are not exploding. Not advocating it - just saying that this is what happens in reality with many (but not my) tanks.

[WreckDiver]

Kite thats the way I understood it when I bought mine they were Nitrox clean, My lDS uses the partial pressure fill method, and they had to be O2 cleaned.

[kitefisherman]

Bugged:

My O2 sticker has two holes that can be punched out. One says something like cleaned for oxygen service to 40% O2. The other says cleaned for oxygen service to 100% O2. If you are doing partial pressure fills, the second hole should be punched because you will be introducing 100% O2 into the cylinder prior to dilluting it with clean air. "Nitrox ready" and "nitrox clean" don't really indicate which level of O2 service the tanks have been prepared for. Looking at your yellow O2 sticker should answer your question.

Hope this helps.

[kitefisherman]

One more thing. My PST and OMS steel tanks came with the 100% O2 certification. The only reason that I'm bringing up this 40% stuff is because of the comment that you got from the guy at PST.

[WreckDiver]

I am very Happy with my tanks and the deal My dive shop gave me. even if I had to pay the 20.00 for cleaning each tank, it still would have been a good deal. Nitrox=40% -- O2=100% clean.

[f94gator]

Good point, kite. I do recall some shops would tear off the nitrox sticker if they filled it with their 'unclean' setup.

[TGuthrie]

I think that it is kinda stupid for a shop to have "O2 clean "air and unclean air, if the shop has a decent air system they would have 1 large bank system that they would use for both. I have heard of some places trying to charge more for "O2 clean"air compaired to "unclean air", it just does not make any sense.

[kitefisherman]

TGuthrie: My LDS has one system that feeds all the whips. The only difference is that the air that goes to the "clean air" whips passes through an extra set of filters. They do not charge extra for the "clean" air.

[f94gator]

So how much do those filters cost? I would think it'd just be easier to put everyone through the superclean whips. The filters might not last as long, but would it be a big difference for them?

[kitefisherman]

I have no idea of the cost or how often they have to be replaced. Fishhunta may - he works there.

It might be because the fill system may have originally been designed without the filters prior to the widespread use of nitrox. When they needed the clean air for nitrox blending, they may have just plumbed a couple of the lines passing out of the pressure regulator to pass through an extra set of filters.