What Have You Cured?

[stickitfishy]

I have cured my wife's Restless Leg Syndrome. My chronic low back pain from a herniated disc. A cold never lasts us more than 2 days ever. I no longer have allergies any more. I never have ear problems from diving, I always did before. My mood is improved. I helped my wife anf I recover from a host of terrible symptoms from long term toxic mold exposure (MCS, Chronic Fatigue, Memory Problems, etc.). My mother-inlaw was scheduled for surgery. I talked to her for 5 minutes, she took 20 minutes to do what I advised and now she no longer needs surgery. But really, what have you cured? Bash me all you want, but most of you have some type of medical problem that is easily made better if not cured, but your doctor will never do it. Not that he doesn't want to, but he has not been trained to CURE you nor does he know how. So many of these things are quite easy and very cheap, what have you got to lose, your stubbornness? I know a lot about health because I was put in a place where either I fixed my wife and myself or we would have surely died! I was not going to let that happen. Today, we have better health than before the mold by far. To those of you reading this, thinking what an f-ing idiot. It is you who are the idiot, I have cured things, what have you done?

[chuam]

Dude, put down the bong

[Seth]

wtf? lmao, i agree.. put the bong down and step away slowly !!

[Freedro]

Enlighten us, please.

[Wayward Son]

My mood is improved.

So this is improved?

[sbh]

????Have you been hanging out with Tom Cruise?

[junior]

So this is improved?

:lol: I was thinkng the same damn thing. He must have been a real some-bitch prior to the "cure".

[jfjf]

I heard that exposure to toxic mold can give you flashbacks... Any truth to that?

[rigdvr]

im soon to cure your assanine posts with the ignore button:)

[jackpine savage]

Man you really should get out more. You are the front runner for the first annual Ironhead award.

[Mariner]

Dude, put down the bong


Pass it this way... :thumps:

[Mikerotch]

I'll have one of what he's having, please.

Mikerotch, give me a hit

[bluedog]

Did you miss the comet?

[Mikerotch]

Did you miss the comet?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Mikerotch, roflmao

[Marcus]

I cured a ham once. It had a bad case of gluttony.

[Marcus]

Alright Bob, being that you're so passionate about colloidal silver, I did some quick reading. At first glance, this article seems to have some unbiased references. It is believable that the FDA could be biased in their unwillingness to disprove such an unpatentable cure to many common ailments. Let me reiterate...they have no monetary incentive to disprove such assertions. Being such, it is possible that colloidal silver has disinfectant qualities.

http://www.focus-on-nutrition.com/Colloidal_Silver.shtml



Edit: Changed FSDA to FDA

[Mikerotch]

I have spent the last few minutes doing an in depth analysis of this thread, as I have a great interest in the deeper meanings, especially since myself and sticket are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. Here is the result of my analysis :
I have cured my wife's Restless Leg Syndrome.
This is one of the greatest thread starts in spearboard history, hands down.
With poetic talent like this, why the hell would he be working in electricity?My chronic low back pain from a herniated disc.
Again, literaturical gold. What a precise and perfect use of the sentence fragment.
I helped my wife anf
I frequently try to help my wife anf, but she usually turns me down. Hopefully Sticket will elaborate on how he is able to help her anf, if not, anf it.
My mother-inlaw was scheduled for surgery. I talked to her for 5 minutes,
This, I find troubling. I personally believe if you give a damn about your old lady's old lady, you should spend more than 5 minutes with her. Maybe help her with her anf, what the hell ?
But really, what have you cured?
Anf, I give up.
To those of you reading this, thinking what an f-ing idiot.
Rolling on the floor, laughing my anffing ass off.

And finally the one part we all understood and responded in a way that only the brotherhood of Spearboard could :
Bash me all you want,
Consider it done, brother. (18) in less than 2 hrs, and counting.

Mikerotch, anfing for a better world

[Marcus]

Let me say though...you're dogmatic approach of making your points isn't helping the acceptance of your argument here. :D

[Marcus]

Playing devil's advacote, here's an article to debunk.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

[Mikerotch]

Colloidal silver? Awww, why didn't you say so!! That's similar to a colonic silver bullet, right? I once had a bad case of whooping cough which I cured by funneling three Coors Lights through my anus.
Dive, not to give you unsolicited advice, but I feel it my civic duty to make you aware of a potential hazard. The problem with the "colonic silver bullet" is that you leave the feces laden cells of the lower colon exposed to the high gamma radioactive liturgical fagomoids that are present in the radioactive dust spread by the blimps. As you may know, the fact that you must invert for said proceedure leaves the entire anal cavaty exposed, resulting in almost immediate contamination. You can then be anally impregnated and the result could be a hybrid "humanoouterspaceo" turd of galactic proportions. Needless to say, it's not a very pleasant experience. I know, I gave birth to one this morning, right after coffee.

Mikerotch, sufferring from rectal trauma

[Wayward Son]

It could also produce a shart of monsterous proportions, a thing of legend to be told about for generations to come.

[junior]

Man you really should get out more. You are the front runner for the first annual Ironhead award.

No, it should be awarded on a weekly basis. And, I will now second your motion to nominate this fine hero of all things as the first recipient of the much coveted "Ironhead/Ironhed Award".

Can I get an amen? How do we make this official?? :D

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

http://www.doh.state.fl.us/pharmacy/alert2.htm

[100days-a-year]

I cured myself of sticket a few months ago with the ignore function.I had a relapse based on quotes pasted in other replies.

Try this guy sticket ...you and he seem to have a lot in common
http://www.ernestangley.org/

[elCajuna Grande]

motion accepted...

[Screen Name]

It is believable that the FSDA could be biased in their unwillingness

Damn! Not Marcus too! :eek: :D

[Scubaru]

Toxic mold exposure was the biggest insurance hoax / scam of all friggin time. It did however cure many homes drastic need for an interior makeover. :drunk:

[Prater]

I have not cured anything but my bordom, I have however saved three people with CPR.

[chasintail]

Waiting for the almighty to give ise the cure. :rolleyes:

Theme music from LimpBizcuit

Keep on "trollin,trollin,trollin,COME ON,I know you be lovin this,,,,, right here, the cure all bitch is jammin right here!People on the board put ya fingers in the air,a weak azz bitch cured shartin in his chair"

[Scubaru]

:lol: HFSS! :rofl:

[mnguy]

Ah restless leg syndrome. Here we have someone whose legs get the jitters all the time. Lets spend all this money looking for a cure instead of, oh I dunno, AIDS or cancer research. ***** the restless legs. Treat em like you treat a restless person, beat em until they give up or booze em until they don't care. Sheesh, I just cured restless leg syndrome! Take that.

The biggest :bs: call of all would be that he willingly talked to his Mother in law for 5 minutes.

I also hereby nominate him for the Weekly/monthly/annual Ironhe(a)d award....Twice :thumps:

[whipchastoked]

Im still waiting for the cure all snake oil shit. Come on earth muffin out with it!!!

[Marcus]

Damn! Not Marcus too! :eek: :D


:D Sorry Screen. You know I meant FDA. :D

[mcjaret]

Be careful, Boys, I think he killed Popa Doc with his voodoo!

[stickitfishy]

I knew I'd get this response when I posted this thread. Almost all of you guys, with some exception for Marcus, are incredibly closed-minded fools. Open your friggin minds! I didn't say there was a cure-all did I? ANF Mikecrotch, don't you have diabetes? If you are so smart then why do you have diabetes? Is it because you've trusted a complete stranger or strangers with the thing most valuable to you, your life? If you were really smart, you wouldn't have diabetes because you would find out what happens at the cellular level and stop it. Let me ask you a question crotch cricket. Say your house was on fire, would you try to stop the smoke or put out the fire? So why do you put your health in the hands of someone who is just trying to stop symptoms (smoke) and not the fire (root problem)? There really is no point wasting my time posting how to improve your health dramatically to a bunch of people with closed-minds, now is there? I'll leave you guys with one last thing though. Go look at your tongue in the mirror, does it have a whitish coating? If it does, what is causing you to have it is causing you lots of problems and many of you have it, go look.

[junior]

Man, I think you may be on to something here. Mine looks pretty rough. Is this what you are talking about? Thanks.

[stickitfishy]

You just moved to North Carolina and you are already posting animal porn? Different up in them there hills isn't it? :lol:

[StabbinBoy]

Go look at your tongue in the mirror, does it have a whitish coating? If it does, what is causing you to have it is causing you lots of problems and many of you have it, go look.

My turdcutter gets a whitish coating on it sometimes - does that mean I'm sick? or am i eating too much swiss cheese and angel food cake?

[The Collector]

I'll leave you guys with one last thing though. .

Sticky, please honor your word and leave us. :thumps:

[stickitfishy]

My turdcutter gets a whitish coating on it sometimes - does that mean I'm sick? or am i eating too much swiss cheese and angel food cake?

I believe that means you've been hanging out at gay bars and playing catcher. Poor Petra. :D

[stickitfishy]

Why don't you concentrate on the few who are willing to listen? If you can help one person then you would have done a great thing.

I've helped quite a few Pargo. What are your issues and I'll try to help. P.M. me if you like.

[stickitfishy]

Do you crave sugars and grains, breads, cereals?

[elCajuna Grande]

nevermind my white tongue Sport,
what about this lump in my neck?

[stickitfishy]

Where's the lump in your neck exactly? Could be a thyroid problem or a lymph blockage depending on where it is. What is your normal body temp?

[elCajuna Grande]

Where's the lump in your neck exactly?

well, i've got one in the front and the back...

[stickitfishy]

French bread and apple fritters from dunkin donuts.

Do you have a whitish coating on your tongue? What is your body temp? What country are you from?

[stickitfishy]

well, i've got one in the front and the back...

Well, if you are being serious then you may have a problem with your thyroid gland (front) and parathyroid (back). What is your temp? Are you fat? If so how much do you weigh?

[stickitfishy]

I heard that exposure to toxic mold can give you flashbacks... Any truth to that?

Not that I'm aware of, but when I was having extremely rapid dieoff, the neurotoxins were doing some strange things to my vision and hearing on their way out.

[stickitfishy]

im soon to cure your assanine posts with the ignore button:)

Sweet!

[StabbinBoy]

Stickitfishy appears to be an expert on turdcutters
Check out his bio :eek:

Birthday:
December 13, 1972
Biography:
5th Generation Native
Location:
Ellenton
Interests:
Sticking my shaft in places!

[junior]

You just moved to North Carolina and you are already posting animal porn? Different up in them there hills isn't it? :lol:

I did not realize that Ellenton was such a sophisticated locale:D Although, I did see a picture on a milk carton where they were lookin' fer thar village idiot:D

[SeaWeed]

Holy crap man you remind me of my great-aunt. She's all into holistic medicine and natural food and stuff. Always rambling about toxins and crap. I am convinced she is crazy because she's convinced the government killed her husband after she cured his cancer with seawater. She even wrote a book about it. I have it in front of me.

If anyone wants to hear some cures that stickit cant cure from her let me know. I got baldness, violence, cancer, aids, diabetes maybe more if I look hard.

Do your cures involve shaving all the hair of your body in some way?

[stickitfishy]

Did you miss the comet?

Your wife does cancer surgeries. What a joke! Cancer is the result of extremely acidic cells fermenting glucose in an anaerobic environment if I recall correctly. The cells need to be blasted with alkalizing agents in order for oxygen to kill the cancer. She should use the cesium protocol on her patients, but that can't be as financially rewarding as carving someone up now can it?

Cesium Chloride is one of the most alkaline elements. Otto Warburg won a Nobel prize for showing that cancer thrives in anaerobic (without oxygen), or acidic, conditions. Research by Keith Brewer, PhD and H.E. Sartori has shown that raising the pH, or oxygen content, range of a cell to 8.0 creates a deadly environment for cancer. The pH scale ranges from 0 to 14, with numbers below 7 representing an acidic condition and above 7 representing an alkaline, or oxygenated, condition. When cesium is taken up by cancer cells, it raises the pH, or oxygen content, of the cell. The cells that die are absorbed and eliminated by the body.

Cesium Chloride has been used to raise the pH of the body as an alternative or complementary cancer treatment or therapy for breast cancer, lung cancer, prostate cancer, colon cancer, pancreatic cancer, liver cancer, skin cancer, ovarian cancer, stomach cancer, cervical cancer, brain cancer, kidney cancer, testicular cancer, bone cancer, throat cancer, thyroid cancer, gastrointestinal cancer, cancers of the bladder and gallbladder, metastatic melanoma, and cancers in animals including feline, canine, and equine cancer.*

[stickitfishy]

Stickitfishy appears to be an expert on turdcutters
Check out his bio :eek:

Birthday:
December 13, 1972
Biography:
5th Generation Native
Location:
Ellenton
Interests:
Sticking my shaft in places!

There are many places to stick shafts other than turdcutters StabbinButt.

[stickitfishy]

1. Yes. 2. 98.51 3. Canada

Are you forgetful? Do you have foggy thinking? Do you have gas, fart or burp alot? Do you pooh 2-3 times a day every day? Is your pooh normal thickness or skinny?

[elCajuna Grande]

Well, if you are being serious then you may have a problem

I was hoping you would tell me something that I don't know already...

What is your temp?

celsius or farenheit?

[stickitfishy]

Holy crap man you remind me of my great-aunt. She's all into holistic medicine and natural food and stuff. Always rambling about toxins and crap. I am convinced she is crazy because she's convinced the government killed her husband after she cured his cancer with seawater. She even wrote a book about it. I have it in front of me.

If anyone wants to hear some cures that stickit cant cure from her let me know. I got baldness, violence, cancer, aids, diabetes maybe more if I look hard.

Do your cures involve shaving all the hair of your body in some way?

Never heard about shaving, do tell. And I don't think your Aunt is as crazy as you think. Your blood has the exact same mineral content and ratio as seawater. These minerals are all alkaline. The more alkaline your cells are the more oxygen they get. Disease can not live in an oxygen rich environment. What kind of cancer did you uncle have? Colon? Stomach?

[stickitfishy]

I was hoping you would tell me something that I don't know already...



celsius or farenheit?

Farenheit or celsius, I know the conversion formula.

[StabbinBoy]

This guy should write a book:
Alternative Medicine & Alternative Lifestyles

or

Your Colon and You:
The Definitive Guide to Anal Awareness

"Not since Freddy Mercury has anyone brought more awareness to the forefront of the turd movement"

[stickitfishy]

Are you forgetful?
- No.
Do you have foggy thinking?
- No,
Do you have gas, fart or burp alot?
- Bloated.
Do you pooh 2-3 times a day every day?
- No.
Is your pooh normal thickness or skinny?
- It's f---ed up.

How is it f--ed up? Do you take any stimulants? Caffeine? How much? I need to know your temp when you wake up before you drink or eat anything, but it sounds like you have candida overgrowth at this point. You normally have candida in you, but antibiotics will kill the probiotics (good bacteria) in your stomach that keep the candida in check. Candida can also get out of control if you have amalgams in your mouth. It can make you have leaky gut which is f-ing horrible. Candida produce alcohols (aldehydes) that will overwhelm the liver and give many people brain fog, forgetfullness, or make them loopy if they have it bad enough. The human body likes to take these aldehydes (toxins), and store them in fat tissues. Fat tissue has little blood flow so it is safer for the body this way. The brain will signal your body to make more fat to protect yourself from these toxins. Good news is that candida is pretty easy to destroy but it aint pretty!

[jackpine savage]

It might be that I have been drinking but this is some funny shiat.

[stickitfishy]

This guy should write a book:
Alternative Medicine & Alternative Lifestyles

or

Your Colon and You:
The Definitive Guide to Anal Awareness

"Not since Freddy Mercury has anyone brought more awareness to the forefront of the turd movement"

Stabbin, you set yourself up with the frosty turdcutter bit. I couldn't resist!

[cerobit]

stickit, what's your protocol for controlling candida?

[StabbinBoy]

If you only knew how much carrot juice I've made for myself and loved ones with cancer. Truth is that much of what you're telling is the truth bro.

Homeopathic medicine is like legs;
help spread the word. :thumps:

[elCajuna Grande]

Farenheit or celsius, I know the conversion formula.
OK, well, I'm pretty much warm blooded...
as far as my weight, well right now I'm about #240
thats my wintertime weight
I used to train about 15-18 miles a week but I got this knee problem you know, playin football, dirt bikes, jumpin outta airplanes and s%#t when I was a kid...
anyway , what can you tell me about blood pressure? I've been juicin for years you know, dark green leafies, folic acid, and such..
which brings to the this experience I had a while back you know... I'm havin lunch with a friend and I say: friend, I'm like fortysomthin you know, and like I don;t have a doctor or anything and you know if somethin was to happen to me that I would need a doctor well, you know, like I don't have one..
so he tells me, "go see this cat"... so I go see this cat and like 2k later I'm thinkin, "man did I just get $%^#ed or what?
which brings me to my point..
I'm thinkin that if I was to get hooked up with you , maybe I can save the 2 grand next time...

[cerobit]

What are amalgams?


teeth fillings. Used to contain mercury i think.

[cerobit]

If you only knew how much carrot juice I've made for myself and loved ones with cancer. Truth is that much of what you're telling is the truth bro.

Homeopathic medicine is like legs;
help spread the word. :thumps:


well, there's a lot of crap out there, both mainstream medicine and alternative. I like to think I'm critical, overcome my prejudices and seek the truth. But my dog knows better :)

[Mikerotch]

ANF Mikecrotch, don't you have diabetes? If you are so smart then why do you have diabetes? Is it because you've trusted a complete stranger or strangers with the thing most valuable to you, your life? If you were really smart, you wouldn't have diabetes because you would find out what happens at the cellular level and stop it.

If I am so smart, why do I have diabetes ? How in God's green earth can I answer a question like that ? Last I checked, the disease tends to affect people of all intelligence levels. I can give you all types of theories on what happens at the cellular level, but to date no one has proven any of them, at least to my knowledge. I must agree with you on the last statement though.
" If you were really smart, you wouldn't have diabetes because you would find out what happens at the cellular level and stop it. " Pardon my french, but No Shit, Sherlock. Then I would immediately go pick up my Nobel Prize and Spearfish the rest of my days. Now, if you know what happens at the cellular level and would like to share it with me along with the cure/treatment, I would be most appreciative. So far; however, in the pages of posts on this subject, you haven't even told us what the subject is. What the hell are you talking about, anyway? You are the only person I have ever seen write a "thesis" on a subject that was never named.

Mikerotch, dumb ass diabetic.

[stickitfishy]

stickit, what's your protocol for controlling candida?

I have tried alot, and I mean alot of things for candida. What absolutely destroys it is Colloidal Silver and Extra Virgin Coconut Oil, it must be Extra Virgin, no exceptions. I make my own silver with a silver gen generator. Use 15- 20 parts per million if you buy it. More ppm is not better. I have done alot of cleansing but if I had not done it, this is what I would do. On a day off, I would wake up and do a SWF (Saltwater Flush). You do this by taking 4 measuring teaspoons of unprocessed sea salt and adding it to about 2-3 quarts of water. RealSalt or Himalayan Salt (these salts are pinkish colored). Before doing this I would, especially if you have not done a SWF before, take one measuring teaspoon of epsom salt in a glass of water and chug. It is disgusting but it will help. Then drink the saltwater all down within 20 minutes or less. You may need to massage your stomach as it may hurt the first and second time you do a flush cause a bunch of gunk is going to come unglued. Be near a toilet and drink water until the butt pee runneth clear. Just doing this should make you feel great afterwards. Eat lots of fruit and salads after the flush, nothing else, you are still cleansing. You will probably see some Candida in the toilet. Now a few days later when you have the next 2 days off, I would repeat the flush process first thing upon awakening. Eat fruits and veggies, I prefer cantaloupe, lots of it. At night before going to bed, drink 6-8 oz of the silver. Go to sleep. Wake up and drink 4 oz of the Extra Virgin Coconut Oil. 2-6 hours later, your stomach will churn BAD and you will feel nauseous, overall disgusting. SWF with the epsom salt first again. When the candida majorly dislodges IT WILL clog you up so you may need to massage alot and drink lots of water. Repeat SWF the next morning if you need to. This absolutely destroys candida. It is harsh, but I rather nuke the stuff and be done with it. I did the above 2 weekends in a row and my candida was 95% gone. Not for sissys though. Beware.

[stickitfishy]

If you only knew how much carrot juice I've made for myself and loved ones with cancer. Truth is that much of what you're telling is the truth bro.

Homeopathic medicine is like legs;
help spread the word. :thumps:

Best way to kill cancer is to raise your PH which raises o2 levels and kills it. Raising your PH to the alkaline side is hard though unless you are a vegetarian.

[cerobit]

stickit:

that's quite a regimen!

What assurances do you have that the c. silver treatment is safe?

How do you know what 'exited' was Candida did you KOH wash or culture on agar?

[stickitfishy]

OK, well, I'm pretty much warm blooded...
as far as my weight, well right now I'm about #240
thats my wintertime weight
I used to train about 15-18 miles a week but I got this knee problem you know, playin football, dirt bikes, jumpin outta airplanes and s%#t when I was a kid...
anyway , what can you tell me about blood pressure? I've been juicin for years you know, dark green leafies, folic acid, and such..
which brings to the this experience I had a while back you know... I'm havin lunch with a friend and I say: friend, I'm like fortysomthin you know, and like I don;t have a doctor or anything and you know if somethin was to happen to me that I would need a doctor well, you know, like I don't have one..
so he tells me, "go see this cat"... so I go see this cat and like 2k later I'm thinkin, "man did I just get $%^#ed or what?
which brings me to my point..
I'm thinkin that if I was to get hooked up with you , maybe I can save the 2 grand next time...

Unprocessed Sea Salt, RealSalt or Himalyan (make sure to get a pinkish one) will normalize blood pressure whether it is low or high. This salt has the same minerals and the ratio they occur in your blood. It will not cause bloating, doesn't make you hold water. Table salt is poison, they use aluminum as an anti-caking agent in it and it is not in its natural form. When you take something that is not in its whole, natural state it will try to become whole again in your body. So you take table salt (sodium chloride), it goes in your body and leaches the 84 other minerals, that normally are with it in nature, from your bones. This leaves you with mineral deficiencies. Minerals are alkaline so you become more acidic. Alkaline=oxygen Acidic=no oxygen=disease. Disease can not live in a high oxygen environment.

[stickitfishy]

stickit:

that's quite a regimen!

What assurances do you have that the c. silver treatment is safe?

How do you know what 'exited' was Candida did you KOH wash or culture on agar?

I have used the c. silver for over year and it has done me nothing but good. It will not give you agyria. I know it was candida because it looked exactly like this or pieces of this which I have seen labeled as Candida all over the net.
http://curezone.com/upload/_C_Forums/Candida/AntsCandida.jpg

[StabbinBoy]

Best way to kill cancer is to raise your PH which raises o2 levels and kills it. Raising your PH to the alkaline side is hard though unless you are a vegetarian.

The guy who started the Garden of Life (http://www.gardenoflife.com/) company did so in the garage of a home he rented from me. His "Perfect Food" supplement is an excellent means of raising PH. I highly recommend it and many of the other food and supplement products produced by this company.

I take a tablespoon of it in the mornings. Gives me more energy than caffiene ever could. Best to dissolve it under the tongue versus mixing with fluids, however this is an 'acquired taste'.

[stickitfishy]

stickit:

that's quite a regimen!

What assurances do you have that the c. silver treatment is safe?

How do you know what 'exited' was Candida did you KOH wash or culture on agar?

There are milder versions that get rid of candida just not nearly as fast. One is really tasty. You use the coconut oil with cocoa and honey and make a fudge. Coconut oil will also increase your BMR.

[stickitfishy]

I have 3 fillings that are the old type, some kind of grey metallic filling. Would it really make such a difference? I think I have candida for about 3 years. Fillings can be redone with the new material but is it worth it?

Mercury leaching out of the fillings weakens your immune system and allows disease to flourish. Mercury will not leach unless your mouth is acidic. Mercury is alakaline and almost everybody's mouth is acidic. When they balance, mercury is pulled out of your teeth into your mouth to be absorbed into your bloodstream etc. Best way to deal with it is to brush your teeth regularly with sea salt and baking soda (both alakline). Gets them way cleaner than toothpaste too.

[cerobit]

I have used the c. silver for over year and it has done me nothing but good. It will not give you agyria. I know it was candida because it looked exactly like this or pieces of this which I have seen labeled as Candida all over the net.
http://curezone.com/upload/_C_Forums/Candida/AntsCandida.jpg


lovely picture :eek:

I'd probably want more proof of safety b/f consuming c. silver. Anectdotal opinions (including my own) carry little weight for me. The placebo effect is mighty strong.

That would apply for the pictures as well. Acid wash that ugly stuff, and measure a proportion of Candida. Then you know for sure.

Can you refer any studies?

[stickitfishy]

The guy who started the Garden of Life (http://www.gardenoflife.com/) company did so in the garage of a home he rented from me. His "Perfect Food" supplement is an excellent means of raising PH. I highly recommend it and many of the other food and supplement products produced by this company.

I take a tablespoon of it in the mornings. Gives me more energy than caffiene ever could. Best to dissolve it under the tongue versus mixing with fluids, however this is an 'acquired taste'.

I bet it is not as acquired as our alkalizing drink we drink daily.

[stickitfishy]

But is it gone never to return after this?

If you did what I recommended to destroy it and then took a maintenance dose. 1/2 tsp or so a day, I don't think you'll have a prob. In hindsight I probably suffered from it my whole life and it is basically gone now.

[Scubaru]

http://www.drnatura.com/?ovchn=GGL&ovcpn=Google&ovcrn=dr+natura&ovtac=PPC

[stickitfishy]

lovely picture :eek:

I'd probably want more proof of safety b/f consuming c. silver. Anectdotal opinions (including my own) carry little weight for me. The placebo effect is mighty strong.

That would apply for the pictures as well. Acid wash that ugly stuff, and measure a proportion of Candida. Then you know for sure.

Can you refer any studies?

I could but I have got to retire. Gotta get up at 5 for work. Exactly what kind of studies would you like to see?

[SeaWeed]

She says you should cut your hair once a month on the day you were born. That it has something to do with your cells breathing and getting oxygen or something like that. Something along the lines that your cells breathe through your hairs.

[stickitfishy]

Studies

http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/biostudies.html

Kills Aids

http://www.physorg.com/news7264.html

Gotta go to work, more later for you Cerobit.

[stickitfishy]

Coconut Oil

"I've got a Lovely Bunch of Coconuts" Coconut holds promise for Immune-Suppressed People - Letters to the Editor
Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients, April, 2002
Editor:

One of the concerns of health professionals involved in the treatment of HIV+ individuals is finding safe, nontoxic, and effective therapies. Over the years, various practitioners have advocated a plethora of alternative remedies, from acupuncture to herbs. More recently the search has turned up a very unlikely find: coconut oil. Once widely used in cooking, coconut oil has virtually disappeared from the American food supply, being found now only in certain ice creams (e.g., Haagen Daas), baked goods, and macaroons. These days, most people associate coconut oil with cosmetics as it is a popular hair and skin moisturizer.

Ongoing research, however, has revealed a virtual powerhouse of compounds in coconut oil that could offer considerable benefits to those with immune problems. These benefits can be broken into three groups: (1) medium chain triglycerides (MCTs), (2) antimicrobial fatty acids, and (3) safety.

MCTs

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Medium chain triglyceride oils are a special class of fats that are digested and handled by the body in a different way from other fats. In lipid biochemistry, all fatty acids are classified according to the number of carbon atoms present in their structure, as well as the degree of saturation, or how many hydrogen atoms are bonded to the carbons. Short and medium chain triglycerides are those that have fatty acids with 12 carbons or less, while long and very long chain triglycerides are those having 1424 carbons. A fatty acid that has two hydrogen atoms linked up to each carbon atom is saturated. Further, a fatty acid with two hydrogens missing is monounsaturated. Lastly, a fatty acid with four or more hydrogens missing is polyunsaturated.

The predominant fatty acids in MCT oils are medium chain saturated fatty acids (MCFAs) and over 60% of the fats in coconut are MCFAs. Its important here to note the difference between coconut oil and commercial MCT oils: coconut oil contains a particular fatty acid called laurate, while commercial MCT oil preparations do not. As we shall see, it is primarily lauric acid that makes coconut oil of particular value to immune-compromised individuals.

How are they handled by the body? MCFAs from MCTs are digested and absorbed quickly and used for energy. Since one gram of fat provides over twice as many calories than either one gram of protein or carbohydrate, MCTs are a superior energy source. Because of their quick absorption and combustion, most MCTs are not stored as fat tissue by the body. MCTs actually have a thermogenic, or fat burning, effect. They are fats that help you stay slim by keeping your body fat levels down and your energy levels up. Additionally, because of their easy absorption by the body, MCTs are ideal for those with digestive problems, such as diarrhea, who might be having difficulty with long chain fatty foods.

Antimicrobial Fatty Acids

Coconut oil contains several antimicrobial fatty acids that can directly benefit HIVers and PWAs. The first is caprylie acid. Sold as a supplement in health food stores, this fatty acid has been used for decades as a remedy for intestinal yeast infections as caprylic acid directly kills such potentially harmful fungi as candida albicans and candida tropicalis. Intestinal yeast imbalances are a major concern for those on antibiotics as these drugs kill off the "good" intestinal bacteria that help to control yeast overgrowth. Coconut oil contains about 8% caprylic acid. Given this amount, integrating coconut oil into one's diet could help prevent and treat intestinal yeast overgrowth.

Some other fatty acids in coconut oil include capric (7%), myristic (18%), palmitic (8%), and oleic (6%). All of these are needed by the body to carry out a range of biological functions. Capric acid has also demonstrated significant activity against Herpes simplex-2, chlamydia, and HIV-1.

The major fatty acid in coconut oil, however, is the one being studied most closely. Laurie acid is a 12-carbon fatty acid that makes up almost 50% of coconut oil. Lauric acid is also one of the principal fats found in human breast milk. It is generally agreed that the lauric acid in breast milk is one of the key things that protects a baby's intestines from bacterial, protozoal, viral, and fungal infections until its immune system can gain enough strength to fend for itself.

Lauric acid converts into the substance monolaurin in the small intestines, a powerful, yet safe, antimicrobial substance. Research by lipid biochemists has shown monolaurin to inactivate fungi such as Candida albicans, and such bacteria as Listeria, Staphylococcus, and Streptococcus, as well as such viruses as Herpes simplex, Cytomegalovirus (CMV), Influenza, Measles, and HIV. Monolaurin apparently inactivates microbes by disrupting their lipid membranes.

The benefits here to HIVers should be obvious. Foods containing lauric acid help to maintain the integrity and health of the digestive tract, as well as help fight and kill a range of pathogens. Besides coconut oil, palm kernel oil and milk fat (butter, ghee, and cream) also contain lauric acid (50% and 5% respectively). Roquefort cheese also contains appreciable amounts of lauric acid.

[Cliffsharker]

Hey Stickit,

Whose teachings do you follow? Is it a bit of this and a bit of that , or is this something that you have soley created.? What are your main sources...Kevin Trudeau...Dr. Ralph Moss..... ?

I am not challenging you but I think that you may gain more credibility if people knew your main sources than if it came across that you are some sort of healer.

I believe that you have good intentions and would like to share your info with others if you can help them , but sources may increase your credibility since their is a host of alternative medicine...cures and prevention out there that can be quite dangerous and a waste of money.

I dont think its fair to ask others to just take your word for it without us knowing who you mainly follow.

Good to see the thread get back on track.

To what address should I send my stool sample :D :D

[stickitfishy]

Toxic mold exposure was the biggest insurance hoax / scam of all friggin time. It did however cure many homes drastic need for an interior makeover. :drunk:

This is some of the dumbest shit I've ever read. Toxic mold almost killed my wife and I and made many others very sick. ALL molds have toxins coating their spores. Some have very little, others have a lot and the poisons vary in what they do to your body just like different snake venoms. No mold is good, trust me. When you kill it, if you can, there still are the toxins it made that can't be killed. Many of these are neurotoxins. Some mold toxins have been used in warfare as biological weapons. T-2 toxin comes to mind. People that are supposedly allergic to peanut butter are really very sensitive to aflatoxin which is in all peanut butter. I love peanut butter but now that I'm hypersensitive to all molds, if I eat it, I will immediately get a stuffy nose and have shortness of breath every time. But thanks for the drivel anyways. :sleep:

[bluedog]

This is some of the dumbest shit I've ever read.
Funny, that's pretty much how I feel when I read YOUR posts.

[stickitfishy]

Hey Stickit,

Whose teachings do you follow? Is it a bit of this and a bit of that , or is this something that you have soley created.? What are your main sources...Kevin Trudeau...Dr. Ralph Moss..... ?

I am not challenging you but I think that you may gain more credibility if people knew your main sources than if it came across that you are some sort of healer.

I believe that you have good intentions and would like to share your info with others if you can help them , but sources may increase your credibility since their is a host of alternative medicine...cures and prevention out there that can be quite dangerous and a waste of money.

I dont think its fair to ask others to just take your word for it without us knowing who you mainly follow.

Good to see the thread get back on track.

To what address should I send my stool sample :D :D

Kevin Trudeau is an idiot in my opinion. I don't follow anyone in particular, but I have tried stuff from many and know what was a waste for my wife and I and what worked. The key to health is really diet. If you are alkaline, you have enough oxygen and disease can not live in your body. That being said, there are ways to destroy things in your body far better than any med you could ever buy. The Beck Protocol worked incredibly well for us and I still use parts of it every day. Coconut Oil (Extra Virgin) is a miracle to rid your body of candida and other parasites which everyone has. If you have pets you have more! Salt Water Flushes are great, when you feel crappy, do one and you'll feel better immediately but make sure you use the right salt. Liver flushes are extremely helpful in purging the liver and gallbladder of stones. Detox baths, especially while taking flush niacin and alternating between hot and cold water can have amazing results. Detox baths pull toxins out through your skin. No flush niacin opens up capillaries allowing blood to get to places it normally doesn't. This releases toxins which are pulled into the bath water. The alternating hot and cold stimulates the lymph glands to work better. Lymph fluid removes poisons from your body.

[stickitfishy]

Funny, that's pretty much how I feel when I read YOUR posts.

Your opinion really doesn't matter since there is a huge conflict of interest for you and your wife to actually help anyone get better from anything ever.

[jackpine savage]

I haven't cured anything but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn last night.

[jackpine savage]

In all seriousness, how much of this to you put towards these remedies you are talking about and how much do you think is a change in your state of mind. I believe that if you think you are ill you will feel ill, conversely if you believe that your symptoms are improving then they will. Kind of like the placebo effect. Your mind is the most powerful part of your body.

[stickitfishy]

My Protocol

Kill the bacteria, viruses, parasites and fungi etc. that don't belong.

Detox with baths and flushes to get rid of the dead invaders and the toxins they create. These poisons will still float around your system after they are long gone if you do not eliminate them. You also want to detox to avoid the dreaded herxheimer reaction (dieoff reaction).

Change your diet to become more alkaline. This will keep the unwanted out of your body. Many people believe in just becoming alkaline. I know it would work eventually but the first 2 steps speed up the process for impatient people like myself.

[bluedog]

Your opinion really doesn't matter since there is a huge conflict of interest for you and your wife to actually help anyone get better from anything ever.

You sir, have completely no idea what you are talking about, let's see some peer reviewed journal articles that give substance to your "cures". If you need a definition of what that is I'm sure you can find it on the "net" where you have found most of your "cures." My wife is a surgeon, she does not perform surgery on people for shits-n-giggles, she does it to help people. Me, take your best shot, I don't really care if you think I'm disruptive to your posts, I think you are basically a confused person, misled by those that produce the infomercials that claim their book heals everything. If they haven't influenced you, then, by your admission, the "net" has. Not much substance there... I hope you have a good plan for your future, health insurance, retirement, long-term care if needed, or if you live long enough, place a magic bean in your ass and see if the beanstalk will take you to heaven.

[jackpine savage]

I was having drinks last night with a guy who is in his mid 80's was torpedoed of Iceland in WWII while in the merchant marine, was at the Chosin Resevoir during that nasty winter during the Korean War, smokes, eats what he wants and drinks regularly. I think genes have more to do with good health than anything else.

[chasintail]

Whats the cure for hangovers?

How do I keep my sac from pulling the dissappearing act while diving in the winter?

What do those porn guys take to have tomahawk missle jiz?

What can give women to cure the gag reflex?

[bluedog]

What can give women to cure the gag reflex?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Freedro]

:lol: Finally, someone comes along asking for important cures.

[stickitfishy]

In all seriousness, how much of this to you put towards these remedies you are talking about and how much do you think is a change in your state of mind. I believe that if you think you are ill you will feel ill, conversely if you believe that your symptoms are improving then they will. Kind of like the placebo effect. Your mind is the most powerful part of your body.

I and my wife had about $7,000 in blood tests that show how ill we were. If you don't want to believe that is your choice but this is no placebo effect. Do a saltwater flush like I described above and see for yourself. To rapidly alkalize, eat a large bowl of baby spinach and see how your mood becomes better and you can breathe better immediately. You are right, the mind is a powerful thing, and it is much more powerful without a bunch of poisons f-ing with it. Do you really think we have evolved enough in the last 100 years for our bodies to deal with all the poisons we encounter daily just in our food alone?

[jackpine savage]

All I said was I think a persons state of mind is important to good health. I never mentioned you or your wife. I guess you have become paranoid by pissing off everyone on this board.

[stickitfishy]

You sir, have completely no idea what you are talking about, let's see some peer reviewed journal articles that give substance to your "cures". If you need a definition of what that is I'm sure you can find it on the "net" where you have found most of your "cures." My wife is a surgeon, she does not perform surgery on people for shits-n-giggles, she does it to help people. Me, take your best shot, I don't really care if you think I'm disruptive to your posts, I think you are basically a confused person, misled by those that produce the infomercials that claim their book heals everything. If they haven't influenced you, then, by your admission, the "net" has. Not much substance there... I hope you have a good plan for your future, health insurance, retirement, long-term care if needed, or if you live long enough, place a magic bean in your ass and see if the beanstalk will take you to heaven.

You are a fool who thinks he knows so much when he knows so little. So someone has cancer, your wife goes and cuts out the cancerous cells. Woopie doo! Did she do anything to help that person get out of the health state they were in that led to cancer in the first place? No!! I have cured things, what have you done but babble on my thread?

[jackpine savage]

Where did you get this training to cure people?

[stickitfishy]

Whats the cure for hangovers?

A big greasy meal, lots of water and some activated charcoal before you go to bed will stop a morning hangover.

How do I keep my sac from pulling the dissappearing act while diving in the winter?

Dry suit

What do those porn guys take to have tomahawk missle jiz?

I'm not sure but I'd guess megadoses of zinc.

What can give women to cure the gag reflex?

Your small penis. Had to!

[stickitfishy]

Where did you get this training to cure people?

I spent countless hours researching when we were dieing. We were totally out of money because we could not work and workers comp would not pay at the time. My choice was for us to give up and die or help ourselves. The choice was easy. You'll probably never be able to comprehend where I'm coming from, I hope not! I also was heavily into working out and nutrition for many years before this happened to us.

[Cliffsharker]

You have told us what worked for yourself and your girlfriend . What didn't work? I realise that you were in a state of desperation but do you think that the approach of trial and error was wise? Where were you acquiring your info from to decide what to try ?

How do you decide which testimonials from this alternative approach to believe?

[richhermes]

You are a fool who thinks he knows so much when he knows so little. So someone has cancer, your wife goes and cuts out the cancerous cells. Woopie doo! Did she do anything to help that person get out of the health state they were in that led to cancer in the first place? No!! I have cured things, what have you done but babble on my thread?

A fool expects 100% agreement from the masses when he posts about a controversial subject, then gets pissed off when he hears a dissenting view.

Agree to disagree and move on! :rolleyes:

These snake oil stories beat the hell out of the IronBoy and BillMac threads.:D

[jackpine savage]

I agree with Pargo, if you found something that worked for you way to go. Some people will believe you others won't, don't get worked up on what someone else may or may not think.

[Cliffsharker]

I believe that if you think you are ill you will feel ill, conversely if you believe that your symptoms are improving then they will. Kind of like the placebo effect. Your mind is the most powerful part of your body.

Do you really believe this to be the the common explanation for sickness? I know that stress is one of the biggest killers. I understand the effect of positive thinking but do you think that it really comes down to this? I think that positive thinking and prayer may help and that if your mind is not healthy that it may lead to physical illness.

I think genes have more to do with good health than anything else.

Do you think that genes through generations may be affected by a poor diet or environmental pollutants and exposure to chemicals.

How is such a high mortality rate of cancer explained by these beliefs? I just realised the two quotes seem to contradict each other. Not meaning to start on you but since I enjoy your posts I felt I should keep you in check. :D

[jackpine savage]

Genetics play a part in how some people avoid disease even though they may be a prime candidate. Positive thinking also helps in the fight against illness. Don't get me wrong I have a lot of faith in modern medicine and were I to fall ill I would put trust in modern medicine. I also think when it comes to some disease so people just get unlucky.

[stickitfishy]

A fool expects 100% agreement from the masses when he posts about a controversial subject, then gets pissed off when he hears a dissenting view.

Agree to disagree and move on! :rolleyes:

These snake oil stories beat the hell out of the IronBoy and BillMac threads.:D

100% agreement? I'm usually chastized for my views by everyone. That's okay, I've done what I've talked about. Others on here just reiterate what they have heard or been brainwashed into believing. Ask a doctor about salt and he will say bad, bad stay away from any salt. All he knows is sodium chloride, natural salt is totaly different. Hell, go get some Real Salt brand salt,it's about $4.50 for a pound at your health food store, and put it in your mouth. It will taste sweet. Ever taste sweet salt? This salt WILL lower your blood pressure among many other things. Try it and you'll never want table salt again.

[Rolo]

I'm certainly not a believer in some of the holistical approaches stickityfish has proposed on this thread. However, his point on increasing your body's pH in order to reduce all types of infections is valid. Certainly the placebo effect is powerful and explains how some people respond to just the thought of treatment and improvement.

There seems to be a national tendency to blame most ailments on genes. This is not the case. If you really think about it, it is mainly a way of dodging accountability. Most people don't want to believe they're choices can ultimately determine the outcome of their lives. The lack of accountability in society has created this myth that genes determine our longevity. In reality, lifestyle and diet go alot further than what lies in our DNA. We ALL have genes for cancer, the difference is whether we are exposed to "triggers" that will express them or not.

Just my 2 cents.

[stickitfishy]

You have told us what worked for yourself and your girlfriend . What didn't work? I realise that you were in a state of desperation but do you think that the approach of trial and error was wise? Where were you acquiring your info from to decide what to try ?

How do you decide which testimonials from this alternative approach to believe?

Was my self-experimenting wise? No, but my other choice was to do nothing. Let me explain to you how sick I was. I had testosterone levels of 190 something. I had very high epstein-barr virus (mono), chronic fatigue syndrome. multiple chemical sensitivities (f-ing horrible when a certain smell will make you forgetful and out of it. diesel,perfumes, gas, paint etc. f-d me up bad.) mold exposure, my wife and I were both tested and found to also have f-ing Lyme disease. She got hers in CA. I got mine in FL. It does not just come from ticks or the N.E. I had candida overgrowth which caused a condition called leaky gut. Leaky gut I still have and it is healing but it takes time. Leaky gut allows stuff that is normally passed out in the waste to be absorbed. My body was and still is to some degree fighting off bad things I eat just like it would an infection. Incredibly taxing on your body. My MSH, melanocyte stimulating hormone was 9. This basically says that my immune system was not working at all. I had a resting temp of 97.4 and low thyroid. I could go on and on if I found my labs. Any one of these is f-ing horrible to live with. One doctor showed us what was wrong with us with extensive labs and I figured out how to fix it. Hell, after spending $7,000 on labs, not working and not getting workers comp I couldn't afford his help. I'll post what I tried and didn't work or not that well for us sometime this weekend, it will take awhile.

[Mikerotch]

Dr. Sticket,
I had an appointment for you to explain to me how diabetes works at the cellular level. (see post #78) Your explanation and cure/treatment would be most appreciated.

Mikerotch, still a dumbass diabetic

[bluedog]

You are a fool who thinks he knows so much when he knows so little. So someone has cancer, your wife goes and cuts out the cancerous cells. Woopie doo! Did she do anything to help that person get out of the health state they were in that led to cancer in the first place? No!! I have cured things, what have you done but babble on my thread?

You are on the verge of malpractice...look into the laws! This is public info, you are stating fact, am I correct? Please reply.

[StabbinBoy]

Some very alarming facts:

Doctors and surgeons receive like 3 credit hours of training on nutrition

Nutitionally deficient diets deprive our immune systems of what we need to keep our own bodies healthy.

Modern medicine has 'chosen' to largely ignore the 'garbage in = garbage out' theory of good health, instead focusing on treating our ailments with synthetic pharmaceuticals and surgery. Why do they do this? MONEY

Follow the money. It's hard to keep gas in the Porsche and pay your kids private school tuition if people are healthy. If people don't get sick, doctors have no business. Pharmaceutical companys want to treat illnesses not cure them! It's in their best interests to have us buying prescriptions for the rest of their lives versus changing our diet and empowering our own immune systems to get us healthy.

And when this word is preached? The first thing they do is say that the FDA (which represents doctors the way the Dr. Crabtree represents the commercial fishing interests) should investigate and shut up the snake oil guy who preaches holistic healing.

Sorry Docs - when I get sick? The first thing I do is investigate natural or alternative cures BEFORE i see the Doc.

Next time you feel a cold coming on? Try this:
1. Drink a gallon of water or fresh juice a day - no soda, no alcohol...
2. Stop eating all meats and dairy products until you're feeling better - eat fruits and vegetables. Don't cook the veggies - eat 'em raw or lightly steamed.
3. Don't eat processed foods - just eat raw foods.

Watch and you'll see that you DON'T GET SICK. I've been doing this for almost 10 years, and seldom get sick anymore.

There's some practical advise to keep ya diving w/out a cold.

[Marcus]

Next time you feel a cold coming on? Try this:
1. Drink a gallon of water or fresh juice a day - no soda, no alcohol...
2. Stop eating all meats and dairy products until you're feeling better - eat fruits and vegetables. Don't cook the veggies - eat 'em raw or lightly steamed.
3. Don't eat processed foods - just eat raw foods.



Cold-eeze works, too.

[junior]

How can we reconcile the way in which modern medicine and human longevity have progressed in a mirrored manner? People drank water, chewed on metals and ate raw carrots in the dark ages...but lived all of thirty years on average. I'm just doing some quick math here... :rolleyes:

[Mark Weitz]

I'm curing the Ocean of Fish :D

(just a joke, I practice responsible fishing)

Mark

[sbh]

I'm finding this thread interesting, entertaining, and in a not-too-serious way annoying. I too believe that holistic cures and regimines can keep a person healthy and deserve more merit/research than they are given. I had a patient named Harry Emmel who was in his 90's and was treating many of his own disorders/diseases through diet and nutrition. He was a retired ww2 submariner who went on to get degrees in biochem, physics, ect and was integral in developing our Country's rocket program in the 50's with a group of german scientist (genius sort of guy). At the same time to disregard and discredit our surgeons and physicians is completely unfair. You may have been in an unusual and desparate situation where "modern" medicine failed you. This doesn't make this the norm or take you out of a minority status in this regard.
I see patients all day, and from my experience the average citizen doesn't want to take the time to go through with the regimines that you might think are best to bring them back to or maintain their health. Since you mention Candida, I'll use that as an example. I routinely see oral Candida infections and treat them with...yes a drug. I'll often prescribe a regimine of Nystatin Troches (like losenges). Typically they take care of the infection (or depending how you look at it, help the body restore a healthier balance to eliminate the oral symptoms) with little to no side efffects or change in the patients normal routine. The patient is happy and the oral cavity brought back to health, but I"d guess from your tone you'd probably consider me just another drug pusher.
I also disagree that doctors only treat illness or disease rather than cure it. Dentistry, for example, is a profession that for years (more so in the last few decades) has focused on curing disease rather than merely treating it. There will always be exceptions that can be cited. I'm not sure why I even responded to this...probably b/c of your mention of amalgam restorations. There has been SOOO much legitimate research that has been done and that continues each year involving Amalgam fillings and the "potential dangers" of their mercury content. The results are overwhelmingly in favor of the position that these restorations pose zero threat to the individuals that have them. Once again there are a few cases that can't be explained or counter the abundance of literature, but this will always be the case. While most of us (dentists) place primarily tooth colored resin restorations, the American Dental Association still continues to acknowledge that amalgams are one of the best and safest restorations to use on posterior teeth.(we place resins b/c the resins have gotten really good and the patient's exceptionally cosmetically motivated).
I'll give you the benifit of the doubt and agree that some of the holistic approaches you suggest may be great advice, but my critisism is that your credibility takes a tremendous hit when you in blanket fashion denounce modern medicine/pharmacology. The power of the mind and natural remedies are remarkable, but until you gain noteriety for curing even a handfull of children (or any patient for that matter) of their cancers and diseases holistically, don't bash our surgeons and other providers that are treating AND saving thousands each year.
.....and on a completely different note, Stabbin's avatar is currently my favorite!

[cerobit]

well said, Brent!!

[bluedog]

Some very alarming facts:

Doctors and surgeons receive like 3 credit hours of training on nutrition
My wife's undergraduate degree is in Nutrtion. Don't discredit yourself based on a turd.

[bluedog]

I'm no doctor nor holistic healer but I know myself and how my body works better than anyone simply because no one takes more interest in my well being than myself. As such I have to make educated decisions on who I entrust my health to. These are the conclusions I've made: If I get in an accident and something breaks or tears or gets punctured and I need to be put back together; time to see a doctor or a surgeon. If there is a systemic problem without there having been a definite outside factor involved; time to do some research.

My experience has been on various occasions that doctors do not look further than the most common scenarios. I once asked a close personal friend who is a dentist if he thinks that there are still people in North America going into field of medicine with their biggest motivating factor being the desire to help people. His response was no, the motivation is monetary gain. No great wonder, they've been made targets as well.

I believe there are exceptions, but the vast majority of doctors go through large numbers of patients with typical problems. It's not in their interest to go further than the most common approach. I'm sure most are so jaded they really don't care. I have more respect for dentistry simply because it's mostly hands on fixing the obvious problem right there and then.
My father-in-law, and two brother-in-laws are both dentists/prostodontisists.

[StabbinBoy]

Doctors can indeed be wonderful. My personal experience supports this! Here's how:

In 1988 at the age of 25 I began to suffer severe lower back pain and sciatica.
-1 MD suggested I lose wait and exercise (good advice! but it didn't help)
-3 chiropractors treated me to no avail
-1 osteopath said my one leg was 1/4" shorter than the other, and therein was the pain
-3 orthopedic docs evaluated me. The first two recommended surgical options to correct mildly herniated discs. The third administered epidural blocks - injecting steriods into my lumbar discs.

After 19 months and 8 docs, I finally called a Neurosurgeon. He evaluated my range of motion, ordered an MRI and discovered a spinal tumor. One surgery later, I could walk again.

What of the first 8 docs and their misdiagnosises? Oh well...

Flash forward 18 years later and my back starts hurting again. I visit several docs, including chiropracters and the pain gets worse. I get an MRI to ensure the tumor hadn't returned - it hadn't. My ortho recommends surgery to fuse the spine.

Meanwhile Petra is taking my tanks on and off the boat so I can still hunt.

When I visited a physical therapist - a member of this board? He tells me to do some simple routines to strengthen my back and force the protruding disc back into place.

That was one year ago - I have no pain.

Wonder how I'd feel if I had listened to all the REactive doctors instead of visiting a PROactive Physical Therapist?

There's a reason they call it the "practise" of medicine.

I just don't want 'em practising on me.

Diet and exercise cures a multiple of physical ailments - just don't count on the American Medical Association to tell ya that.

[StabbinBoy]

Here's another example:

While in her 2nd month of pregnancy, my Ex was diagnosed with cancer.

After all evaluations, her docs looked at the medical FACTS, and interpreted them to us.

Their recommendation? That we abort the pregnancy to better secure her health so she could undergo radiation and aggressive chemotherapy. When I asked how their treatment options would improve her survivability rates? I got no answer, just that we should abort the pregnancy and let 'em slash and burn the wife.

I asked the doctors to share the details with me, and began doing my own research on the brand new Internet. Know what I found?

The treatment options they recommended (that cost almost $100,000) would statistically improve her odds of survival by 3%. Three percent. Kill the kid to get three percent better odds of survival. And they refused to share the statistical odds with me.

When I brought the studies I had found on the web back to their offices to discuss them? They refused.

Tell my son to blindly take all docs at their word, and that lives are more important than money... ;)

[StabbinBoy]

And for the final act...
My always healthy 65 year old Dad was diagnosed with stage 4 renal (kidney) cancer.
The docs said he had less than 6 months to live.

While in a very weakened state, four docs surrounded his bed and told him they
wanted him or my mom to sign off on surgeries, radiation and chemotherapy.

Dad refused, asking instead what their slash and burn treatment options would do to increase his survivability.

The docs said he was 100% assured of not living more than six months whether he accepted their treatments or not. NOTICE they DID NOT volunteer this information while recommending the six figure surgeries and treatments THAT WERE STATISTICALLY PROVEN TO NOT INCREASE HIS CHANCES OF SURVIVAL BY EVEN ONE PERCENT!

Dad told Mom to grab his things and check him outta there.

Once he got home, Dad simply changed his diet and began taking exercise very seriously.

He eradicated all sugars from his diet - not even fruit -because cancer needs fuel and a weak immune system to grow. By removing all sugars he deprived the cancer cells from a readily available fuel source.

He eradicated all processed foods, including starches, meats and dairy.

Basically dad went all vegan - eating fresh vegetables and drinking tons of fresh vegetable juices. Basically he empowered his immune system to fight back.

He also exercised as much as he could. Exercise is vital, and few of us get enough daily exercise.

When 6 months came, and he was feeling strong and healthy instead of laying in a coffin, Dad celebrated by getting up and riding his bike the usual 25 miles/day.

Dad threw his cancer into remission, and lived a vibrant 5 more years.

Makes ya wonder how he would've done if he had had surgery, chemo and radiation.

We'll never know, but if you could've heard how he described the pit vipers that tried to coerce him into surgeries & treatment that would increase his survival rate by ZERO percent? :rolleyes:

[Scubaru]

That kid needs to quit hanging out w/ Nick and lay off the Miller Lites! :thumps:

[stickitfishy]

You are on the verge of malpractice...look into the laws! This is public info, you are stating fact, am I correct? Please reply.

I am simply stating what has worked for me and my understanding why. Obviously you don't want the info available to those on Spearboard. I wonder why?

[stickitfishy]

Dr. Sticket,
I had an appointment for you to explain to me how diabetes works at the cellular level. (see post #78) Your explanation and cure/treatment would be most appreciated.

Mikerotch, still a dumbass diabetic

First you are a complete jerk and now you want help?

[stickitfishy]

Some very alarming facts:

Doctors and surgeons receive like 3 credit hours of training on nutrition

Nutitionally deficient diets deprive our immune systems of what we need to keep our own bodies healthy.

Modern medicine has 'chosen' to largely ignore the 'garbage in = garbage out' theory of good health, instead focusing on treating our ailments with synthetic pharmaceuticals and surgery. Why do they do this? MONEY

Follow the money. It's hard to keep gas in the Porsche and pay your kids private school tuition if people are healthy. If people don't get sick, doctors have no business. Pharmaceutical companys want to treat illnesses not cure them! It's in their best interests to have us buying prescriptions for the rest of their lives versus changing our diet and empowering our own immune systems to get us healthy.

And when this word is preached? The first thing they do is say that the FDA (which represents doctors the way the Dr. Crabtree represents the commercial fishing interests) should investigate and shut up the snake oil guy who preaches holistic healing.

Sorry Docs - when I get sick? The first thing I do is investigate natural or alternative cures BEFORE i see the Doc.

Next time you feel a cold coming on? Try this:
1. Drink a gallon of water or fresh juice a day - no soda, no alcohol...
2. Stop eating all meats and dairy products until you're feeling better - eat fruits and vegetables. Don't cook the veggies - eat 'em raw or lightly steamed.
3. Don't eat processed foods - just eat raw foods.

Watch and you'll see that you DON'T GET SICK. I've been doing this for almost 10 years, and seldom get sick anymore.

There's some practical advise to keep ya diving w/out a cold.

How true! Micro-currents of electricity have knocked out many things very quickly for us. See the Beck Protocol.

[stickitfishy]

I'm finding this thread interesting, entertaining, and in a not-too-serious way annoying. I too believe that holistic cures and regimines can keep a person healthy and deserve more merit/research than they are given. I had a patient named Harry Emmel who was in his 90's and was treating many of his own disorders/diseases through diet and nutrition. He was a retired ww2 submariner who went on to get degrees in biochem, physics, ect and was integral in developing our Country's rocket program in the 50's with a group of german scientist (genius sort of guy). At the same time to disregard and discredit our surgeons and physicians is completely unfair. You may have been in an unusual and desparate situation where "modern" medicine failed you. This doesn't make this the norm or take you out of a minority status in this regard.
I see patients all day, and from my experience the average citizen doesn't want to take the time to go through with the regimines that you might think are best to bring them back to or maintain their health. Since you mention Candida, I'll use that as an example. I routinely see oral Candida infections and treat them with...yes a drug. I'll often prescribe a regimine of Nystatin Troches (like losenges). Typically they take care of the infection (or depending how you look at it, help the body restore a healthier balance to eliminate the oral symptoms) with little to no side efffects or change in the patients normal routine. The patient is happy and the oral cavity brought back to health, but I"d guess from your tone you'd probably consider me just another drug pusher.
I also disagree that doctors only treat illness or disease rather than cure it. Dentistry, for example, is a profession that for years (more so in the last few decades) has focused on curing disease rather than merely treating it. There will always be exceptions that can be cited. I'm not sure why I even responded to this...probably b/c of your mention of amalgam restorations. There has been SOOO much legitimate research that has been done and that continues each year involving Amalgam fillings and the "potential dangers" of their mercury content. The results are overwhelmingly in favor of the position that these restorations pose zero threat to the individuals that have them. Once again there are a few cases that can't be explained or counter the abundance of literature, but this will always be the case. While most of us (dentists) place primarily tooth colored resin restorations, the American Dental Association still continues to acknowledge that amalgams are one of the best and safest restorations to use on posterior teeth.(we place resins b/c the resins have gotten really good and the patient's exceptionally cosmetically motivated).
I'll give you the benifit of the doubt and agree that some of the holistic approaches you suggest may be great advice, but my critisism is that your credibility takes a tremendous hit when you in blanket fashion denounce modern medicine/pharmacology. The power of the mind and natural remedies are remarkable, but until you gain noteriety for curing even a handfull of children (or any patient for that matter) of their cancers and diseases holistically, don't bash our surgeons and other providers that are treating AND saving thousands each year.
.....and on a completely different note, Stabbin's avatar is currently my favorite!

Nystatin made me incredibly sick and I never got sick from mold illness until after I had many amalgams put into my mouth in a short time. I really don't care what the ADA says to you. I have read many horrible reports about mercury leaking out of amalgams and it is common sense to think if you put a poison in your mouth in such huge quantities, it can't be good.
Mercury
[Mercury] is ... the major culprit of Alzheimer's and dementia today ...

"The maximum amount of mercury that the Environment Protection Agency allows people to be exposed to is 5,000 times smaller than the permissible amount of lead exposure; in other words the EPA apparently considers mercury to be 5,000 times more toxic than lead."

Marcia Basciano DDS at annual meeting of IAOMT san Diego 1994."

www.whale.to/a/toxic_dentistry.html
So where does this mercury come from?

"Scientists have shown that trace amounts of mercury can cause the type of damage to nerves that is characteristic of the damage found in Alzheimer's disease. The level of mercury exposure used in the test was well below those levels found in many humans with mercury/silver amalgam dental fillings. The research conducted at the University of Calgary Faculty of Medicine found that exposure to mercury caused the formation of "neurofibrillar tangles," which are one of the two diagnostic markers for Alzheimer's disease. Previous research has shown that mercury can cause the formation of the other Alzheimer's disease marker, "amyloid plaques." The scientists also exposed the test nerves to other elements, including aluminum, but found that only mercury caused the damage consistent with Alzheimer's disease."
www.whale.to/m/alzheimers.html
Dental amalgam, the silver fillings dentists' use, is by far the biggest culprit of mercury poisoning and the biggest reason for Alzheimer's and dementia in the world today.

"Worldwide there are over 4000 research papers indicating mercury is a highly toxic substance. How can dentists be so thoughtless as to place one of the deadliest toxins in existence "two" inches from our brain?"
Tom Warren (www.whale.to/a/toxic_dentistry.html)
We see the same mentality of dentists that we saw with cancer in my "Introduction to Alternative Cancer Treatments Article"

"You wouldn't take a leaky thermometer, put it in your mouth, and leave it there 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Yet that's exactly what happens when an amalgam filling is installed in your mouth."
Dr Michael Ziff (www.whale.to/a/toxic_dentistry.html)
Just how much mercury do dentists put into your mouth?

"Dr. Richard D. Fischer, a practicing dentist in Annandale, VA and past president of the International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology, gave his testimony before Congress on November 14, 2002. Dr. Fischer has published numerous scientific papers and in 1998 was listed in Who's Who in Medicine and Health Care. These are excerpts from his testimony:

"Dental amalgam (Ôsilver') fillings contribute more mercury to the body burden in humans than all other sources (dietary, air, water, vaccines, etc.) combined. These fillings contain 50% mercury Ð which is more neurotoxic than lead, cadmium, or even arsenic.

To put this in perspective, the amount of mercury contained in one average size filling exceeds the U.S. E.P.A. standard for human exposure for over 100 years. Put in other terms, it takes only _ gram of mercury (the amount in one filling) to contaminate all fish in a 10-acre lake."
www.gifam.org/article-4.htm
Dental amalgam is clearly one source of mercury, as is fish, but there are other sources. This is a quote relative to both mercury and aluminum:

"According to Hugh Fudenberg, MD (http://members.aol.com/nitrf), the world's leading immunogeneticist and 13th most quoted biologist of our times (nearly 850 papers in peer review journals), if an individual has had five consecutive flu shots between 1970 and 1980 (the years studied) his/her chances of getting Alzheimer's Disease is ten times higher than if they had one, two or no shots. I asked Dr. Fudenberg why this was so and he said it was due to the mercury and aluminum that is in every flu shot (and most childhood shots). The gradual mercury and aluminum buildup in the brain causes cognitive dysfunction."
www.whale.to/vaccines/flu11.html

[stickitfishy]

I'm no doctor nor holistic healer but I know myself and how my body works better than anyone simply because no one takes more interest in my well being than myself. As such I have to make educated decisions on who I entrust my health to. These are the conclusions I've made: If I get in an accident and something breaks or tears or gets punctured and I need to be put back together; time to see a doctor or a surgeon. If there is a systemic problem without there having been a definite outside factor involved; time to do some research.

My experience has been on various occasions that doctors do not look further than the most common scenarios. I once asked a close personal friend who is a dentist if he thinks that there are still people in North America going into field of medicine with their biggest motivating factor being the desire to help people. His response was no, the motivation is monetary gain. No great wonder, they've been made targets as well.

I believe there are exceptions, but the vast majority of doctors go through large numbers of patients with typical problems. It's not in their interest to go further than the most common approach. I'm sure most are so jaded they really don't care. I have more respect for dentistry simply because it's mostly hands on fixing the obvious problem right there and then.

I agree totally. I believe the medical community wants to help, but they are restrained by laws. Total b.s.

[stickitfishy]

Doctors can indeed be wonderful. My personal experience supports this! Here's how:

In 1988 at the age of 25 I began to suffer severe lower back pain and sciatica.
-1 MD suggested I lose wait and exercise (good advice! but it didn't help)
-3 chiropractors treated me to no avail
-1 osteopath said my one leg was 1/4" shorter than the other, and therein was the pain
-3 orthopedic docs evaluated me. The first two recommended surgical options to correct mildly herniated discs. The third administered epidural blocks - injecting steriods into my lumbar discs.

After 19 months and 8 docs, I finally called a Neurosurgeon. He evaluated my range of motion, ordered an MRI and discovered a spinal tumor. One surgery later, I could walk again.

What of the first 8 docs and their misdiagnosises? Oh well...

Flash forward 18 years later and my back starts hurting again. I visit several docs, including chiropracters and the pain gets worse. I get an MRI to ensure the tumor hadn't returned - it hadn't. My ortho recommends surgery to fuse the spine.

Meanwhile Petra is taking my tanks on and off the boat so I can still hunt.

When I visited a physical therapist - a member of this board? He tells me to do some simple routines to strengthen my back and force the protruding disc back into place.

That was one year ago - I have no pain.

Wonder how I'd feel if I had listened to all the REactive doctors instead of visiting a PROactive Physical Therapist?

There's a reason they call it the "practise" of medicine.

I just don't want 'em practising on me.

Diet and exercise cures a multiple of physical ailments - just don't count on the American Medical Association to tell ya that.

Magnesium is the key with your back, it allows wastes to flow how they are supposed to between cells. I have or had a herniated disc. I never have back problems anymore. I actually supplement with magnesium sulfate (epsom salt). I take 1/8 of a tsp in a quart of water and drink it throughout the day. Don't have time to get into specifics right now.

[Mikerotch]

First you are a complete jerk and now you want help?

Don't go overboard on my desire for you to cure me, but a brief reminder of events is in order.

ANF Mikecrotch, don't you have diabetes? If you are so smart then why do you have diabetes? Is it because you've trusted a complete stranger or strangers with the thing most valuable to you, your life? If you were really smart, you wouldn't have diabetes because you would find out what happens at the cellular level and stop it. Let me ask you a question crotch cricket. Say your house was on fire, would you try to stop the smoke or put out the fire? So why do you put your health in the hands of someone who is just trying to stop symptoms (smoke) and not the fire (root problem)?

For the record, I never said that I was smart. You simply are implying that there are cures for everything, if we simply treat the root cause, which is probably true. However, with some diseases/problems, the root cause is not known. With Type 1 diabetes, for example, it is a very tricky problem to deal with islet (beta) cells that are no longer producing insulin, primarily because THERE ARE NO ISLET CELLS LEFT. The body's imune system has turned on itself for reasons unknown, (at least to me and the portion of the medical community that is not part of the conspiracy) so therefore it appears to be more than a problem of alkilinity, or nutrient deficiency or some other simple problem that can be cured with diet/exercise. For the record, I don't disagree with all you have said, in fact I agree with a lot of it. I just found humor in the fact that you started a thread blasting the board because they didn't agree with you on treatments that to begin with were not even named. If you would like to offer an opinion, I'm all ears. Meanwhile I have a treatment plan for you. Go spearfishing, relax a little, drink a couple of beers, and realize that the whole Spearboard is not out to get you.

Mikerotch, dumbass uncured diabetic

[cerobit]

When I visited a physical therapist - a member of this board? He tells me to do some simple routines to strengthen my back and force the protruding disc back into place.

That was one year ago - I have no pain.

Wonder how I'd feel if I had listened to all the REactive doctors instead of visiting a PROactive Physical Therapist?

There's a reason they call it the "practise" of medicine.

I just don't want 'em practising on me.

Diet and exercise cures a multiple of physical ailments - just don't count on the American Medical Association to tell ya that.


I think I can understand your frustration, but there ARE M.D.'s that go beyond being as you say, 'reactive'. I've pain issues, and have searched to find good care providers. My Rheuma, Internist and Pain Mgt. docs all wrote RX's for PT, one wrote massge & accupuncture RX's as well.

We discuss diet and exercise often. I think much of the health care problems stem from a public that demands quick cures while refusing to admit the huge role diet, exercise & smoking play in the whole body health schema. So what good does it a mainstream provider to suggest behavioural mods?


Just take a look around the next time you're in Wal-Mart, those people are'nt eating tofu, whole foods and exercising :eek:

[Marcus]

Mikerotch, dumbass uncured diabetic

:lol:

[sbh]

I sort of knew what to expect after posting my message in the thread and you came through with flying colors. Once again you have done some wonderfull internet searching and probably some research too. We are having a current battle with antiflouridationists in our area contesting the addition of therepudic levels of fluoride in the water. Your rebutles sound very familiar. Like the antiflouridationists, you post some frightening and dazzling quotes from reknowed researchers, even dentists, that seem to back up your argument. The antifluoridationists also say they could care less what the ADA (or the AMA, or the CDC, or the FDA, ect ect) say and do have a number of clippings that can be presented to support their position. Often if you thoroughly read these papers and get as far as the conclusion sections, what you find is that the quotes used don't represent the overall consensus of the article. You'll also note that the first hits on a google search are often time inversely related to the legitimacy of the source (most scientific journals don't spend alot on maximizing i-net search hits). Good peer reviewed scientifically formatted articles spend a great deal of time playing the devils advocate and trying to look at how they're conclulsions may be wrong or could be deconstructed. In the flouride case, these counter aruguments provide great fodder for the opponents. Internet site "research" articles usually just keep backing up their position and spend little time examining how complete and unbiased the research was. I'll reply to a few quotes you posted:

Dental amalgam, the silver fillings dentists' use, is by far the biggest culprit of mercury poisoning and the biggest reason for Alzheimer's and dementia in the world today.

This is absurd based on current accepted research. I have a very open mind; therefore I will go so far as to say that its possible that this statement, despite what most of the accredited or aknowledged scientific world thinks, is true. In the same regard it is possible that you are the brightest mind of our time and in five years will go down in history as spreading the true science of medicine to the masses. The pyramids quite possibly could have been built by aliens, and HIV may actually have been created by the CIA to kill certain ethnicities off.

"Worldwide there are over 4000 research papers indicating mercury is a highly toxic substance. How can dentists be so thoughtless as to place one of the deadliest toxins in existence "two" inches from our brain?"

This quote is masterfully written to induce fear and paranoia. Once again, very similar to the antifluoride crew. As a matter of fact, look up Pat Arena on the internet and examine his rants on fluoride. You may even find an ally in the amalgam plight. Some crafty and thoughtfull data presentation, but in my humble oppinion very misguided. Certainly mercury is highly toxic. How about chlorine....? So why in the hell does just about every city, town, village, etc add chlorine to their populations water supply....because in the right concentration it is a very usefull chemical to prevent other problems. I'm not suggesting that amalgam itslelf prevents any medical problem. In the dental form it is a good means for filling a hole in a tooth and keeping it stable for a long period of time. It can be placed in a wet field under challenging situations and it will hold up. It wears pretty good and is fairly compatible with gingival tissue. Do I think its the best we can do...absolutely not. Do I place it in certain situations with complete confidence and zero concern... definately. I will go so far as to say that in some people (maybe based on body chemistry) in large amounts or if improperly mixed (old amalgams differ greatly from modern alloys) these fillings maybe do leach mercury in amounts sufficient to cause symptoms. The REALITY is that, based on the best research that has been done, in the vast majority of patients every tooth could be filled with an amalgam and their mercury levels would be inconsequential. They would get more mercury from eating a plate of tuna. I urge you to research the actual composition and chemistry of current amalgams and the type/quality/quantity of mercury that does/doesn't leach out. If your that interested, you might also read some research that details what the other restorative choices might be for those teeth and the problems/complications that go along with those restorations.
You clearly have lots of time to search the internet and find quotes to support your theories. It is admirable that you at least cite reference to some of your claims. While you may be the best scientific mind of our century, I'm gonna stick with basing my clinical decisions on research done by more accepted sources. I'll also admit that I am entirely too (busy/lazy/whatever you want to imagine ) to spend time pulling a bunch of research articles for a debate on the spearboard forum. You are also obviously set in your oppinions and I really have no desire to try and change them. I'm sorry your life has been filled with so many ailments. I'm curious as to why you feel you have been so plagued? On a positive note I hope your ideas actually have a positive impact on others. You are clearly quite passionate about it and hopefully you will continue to use this passion to try and help others. I've enjoyed reading your posts and hearing your theories.
One last thing that comes to mind as someone who has chosen to be a licensed medical (dental provider). It is very unfair to assume that we think we are treating every patient perfectly. I think we have to strive to treat each person as an individual and figure out exactly what is causing their symptoms and in doing so avoid misdiagnoses and over/mis-treatment. In the same regard the best clinician will never know whats going on every time. You try your best to treat each patient the way you would a loved one. Just because it took eight Dr.s to get a diagnoses right doesn't mean they were all idiots or the 8th one is a genius (after all, the 8th Dr.s differential diagnoses already had seven other possibilities cancelled out). It effects us when we don't know what is going on or if we miss something. No one is perfect despite what some of us might want to think. Due to the letigious nature of our society, we must also be very discriminating in what we base our clinical/treatment decisions on. Wanna guess how long a Dr. that recommends one of your hollistic approaches to curing cancer over accepted methods would last if it didn't work and the patient died....I'd guess about as long as it took the malpractice attorney to file the seven or eight figured claim.
Best Regards in your healing.

[stickitfishy]

I sort of knew what to expect after posting my message in the thread and you came through with flying colors. Once again you have done some wonderfull internet searching and probably some research too. We are having a current battle with antiflouridationists in our area contesting the addition of therepudic levels of fluoride in the water. Your rebutles sound very familiar. Like the antiflouridationists, you post some frightening and dazzling quotes from reknowed researchers, even dentists, that seem to back up your argument. The antifluoridationists also say they could care less what the ADA (or the AMA, or the CDC, or the FDA, ect ect) say and do have a number of clippings that can be presented to support their position. Often if you thoroughly read these papers and get as far as the conclusion sections, what you find is that the quotes used don't represent the overall consensus of the article. You'll also note that the first hits on a google search are often time inversely related to the legitimacy of the source (most scientific journals don't spend alot on maximizing i-net search hits). Good peer reviewed scientifically formatted articles spend a great deal of time playing the devils advocate and trying to look at how they're conclulsions may be wrong or could be deconstructed. In the flouride case, these counter aruguments provide great fodder for the opponents. Internet site "research" articles usually just keep backing up their position and spend little time examining how complete and unbiased the research was. I'll reply to a few quotes you posted:

Dental amalgam, the silver fillings dentists' use, is by far the biggest culprit of mercury poisoning and the biggest reason for Alzheimer's and dementia in the world today.

This is absurd based on current accepted research. I have a very open mind; therefore I will go so far as to say that its possible that this statement, despite what most of the accredited or aknowledged scientific world thinks, is true. In the same regard it is possible that you are the brightest mind of our time and in five years will go down in history as spreading the true science of medicine to the masses. The pyramids quite possibly could have been built by aliens, and HIV may actually have been created by the CIA to kill certain ethnicities off.

"Worldwide there are over 4000 research papers indicating mercury is a highly toxic substance. How can dentists be so thoughtless as to place one of the deadliest toxins in existence "two" inches from our brain?"

This quote is masterfully written to induce fear and paranoia. Once again, very similar to the antifluoride crew. As a matter of fact, look up Pat Arena on the internet and examine his rants on fluoride. You may even find an ally in the amalgam plight. Some crafty and thoughtfull data presentation, but in my humble oppinion very misguided. Certainly mercury is highly toxic. How about chlorine....? So why in the hell does just about every city, town, village, etc add chlorine to their populations water supply....because in the right concentration it is a very usefull chemical to prevent other problems. I'm not suggesting that amalgam itslelf prevents any medical problem. In the dental form it is a good means for filling a hole in a tooth and keeping it stable for a long period of time. It can be placed in a wet field under challenging situations and it will hold up. It wears pretty good and is fairly compatible with gingival tissue. Do I think its the best we can do...absolutely not. Do I place it in certain situations with complete confidence and zero concern... definately. I will go so far as to say that in some people (maybe based on body chemistry) in large amounts or if improperly mixed (old amalgams differ greatly from modern alloys) these fillings maybe do leach mercury in amounts sufficient to cause symptoms. The REALITY is that, based on the best research that has been done, in the vast majority of patients every tooth could be filled with an amalgam and their mercury levels would be inconsequential. They would get more mercury from eating a plate of tuna. I urge you to research the actual composition and chemistry of current amalgams and the type/quality/quantity of mercury that does/doesn't leach out. If your that interested, you might also read some research that details what the other restorative choices might be for those teeth and the problems/complications that go along with those restorations.
You clearly have lots of time to search the internet and find quotes to support your theories. It is admirable that you at least cite reference to some of your claims. While you may be the best scientific mind of our century, I'm gonna stick with basing my clinical decisions on research done by more accepted sources. I'll also admit that I am entirely too (busy/lazy/whatever you want to imagine ) to spend time pulling a bunch of research articles for a debate on the spearboard forum. You are also obviously set in your oppinions and I really have no desire to try and change them. I'm sorry your life has been filled with so many ailments. I'm curious as to why you feel you have been so plagued? On a positive note I hope your ideas actually have a positive impact on others. You are clearly quite passionate about it and hopefully you will continue to use this passion to try and help others. I've enjoyed reading your posts and hearing your theories.
One last thing that comes to mind as someone who has chosen to be a licensed medical (dental provider). It is very unfair to assume that we think we are treating every patient perfectly. I think we have to strive to treat each person as an individual and figure out exactly what is causing their symptoms and in doing so avoid misdiagnoses and over/mis-treatment. In the same regard the best clinician will never know whats going on every time. You try your best to treat each patient the way you would a loved one. Just because it took eight Dr.s to get a diagnoses right doesn't mean they were all idiots or the 8th one is a genius (after all, the 8th Dr.s differential diagnoses already had seven other possibilities cancelled out). It effects us when we don't know what is going on or if we miss something. No one is perfect despite what some of us might want to think. Due to the letigious nature of our society, we must also be very discriminating in what we base our clinical/treatment decisions on. Wanna guess how long a Dr. that recommends one of your hollistic approaches to curing cancer over accepted methods would last if it didn't work and the patient died....I'd guess about as long as it took the malpractice attorney to file the seven or eight figured claim.
Best Regards in your healing.

When were mercury amalgams first used? The diet was WAY different back then. It included lots of mineral (alkaline) veggies and unprocessed foods. Todays diet for most is highly acidic coming from almost all processed foods and if you do get veggies, they were probably grown in very depleted soil. Mercury is a base, bases react with acids. The more acidic tthe greater the reaction. So what may have been okay way back when is not now. What do you suppose would happen if the ADA admitted that mercury was harmful in amalgams? Also, why do dentists have such a huge rate of suicide compared to other professions? Exposure to mercury maybe? And your claim of best research is akin to the best available science that is currently taking away our fishing rights. Best research? Give me a break.

[Cliffsharker]

This is going to get interesting. Lets keep it civilized . No need to get personal.

[stickitfishy]

Look up Mad Hatter and mercury. These guys went insane dealing with mercury. I'm not saying dentists are insane. But I bet the mercury exposure that some have contributes to their suicide rate significantly.

[sbh]

The suicide rate among dentists, apparently like our diets, has changed. Most dentists I know are pretty upbeat positive individuals. I think there are alot more MDs these days that dread going to work and are counting the days until retirement. Insurance companies have just a little to do with this....luckily dentistry hasn't completely sold out in this regard.

[stickitfishy]

I think I can understand your frustration, but there ARE M.D.'s that go beyond being as you say, 'reactive'. I've pain issues, and have searched to find good care providers. My Rheuma, Internist and Pain Mgt. docs all wrote RX's for PT, one wrote massge & accupuncture RX's as well.

We discuss diet and exercise often. I think much of the health care problems stem from a public that demands quick cures while refusing to admit the huge role diet, exercise & smoking play in the whole body health schema. So what good does it a mainstream provider to suggest behavioural mods?


Just take a look around the next time you're in Wal-Mart, those people are'nt eating tofu, whole foods and exercising :eek:

You have pain issues, please expand. I have helped many with pain have much less and it is easy and not even alternative. Also, are you an entymologist Cero or what?

[jackpine savage]

When were mercury amalgams first used? The diet was WAY different back then. It included lots of mineral (alkaline) veggies and unprocessed foods. Todays diet for most is highly acidic coming from almost all processed foods and if you do get veggies, they were probably grown in very depleted soil. Mercury is a base, bases react with acids. The more acidic tthe greater the reaction. So what may have been okay way back when is not now. What do you suppose would happen if the ADA admitted that mercury was harmful in amalgams? Also, why do dentists have such a huge rate of suicide compared to other professions? Exposure to mercury maybe? And your claim of best research is akin to the best available science that is currently taking away our fishing rights. Best research? Give me a break.
I dont know about the industry as a whole but my dentist no longer uses those types of fillings but a ceramic filling, I would guess that it is becoming more popular so your'e whole argument on fillings made with mercury is a little outdated.

[stickitfishy]

Don't go overboard on my desire for you to cure me, but a brief reminder of events is in order.



For the record, I never said that I was smart. You simply are implying that there are cures for everything, if we simply treat the root cause, which is probably true. However, with some diseases/problems, the root cause is not known. With Type 1 diabetes, for example, it is a very tricky problem to deal with islet (beta) cells that are no longer producing insulin, primarily because THERE ARE NO ISLET CELLS LEFT. The body's imune system has turned on itself for reasons unknown, (at least to me and the portion of the medical community that is not part of the conspiracy) so therefore it appears to be more than a problem of alkilinity, or nutrient deficiency or some other simple problem that can be cured with diet/exercise. For the record, I don't disagree with all you have said, in fact I agree with a lot of it. I just found humor in the fact that you started a thread blasting the board because they didn't agree with you on treatments that to begin with were not even named. If you would like to offer an opinion, I'm all ears. Meanwhile I have a treatment plan for you. Go spearfishing, relax a little, drink a couple of beers, and realize that the whole Spearboard is not out to get you.

Mikerotch, dumbass uncured diabetic

The reason I started this thread was because I posted in Christof's Helathcare thread and was blasted by many. So Biggsy closed it before I could reply. That is why I started this thread. I believe that if I can help one person turn their health around, I have done a noble thing. If people hate me for what I post, I really don't care. They are ignorant. You can only try to get through to people so much! I am not guessing about what has worked for me, if you choose not to believe, it is your problem. When I was ill and I found possible answers, I searched and searched and searched for confirmation by others that have no alterior motives before I tried anything. Always, always look for a possible alterior motive of why something is said before believing it. What is my alterior motive on this board? Am I trying to get less boat rides? If so, it has worked. But really I want to help people, that's my motive. I have helped many people around me in varying degrees, the hardest part is getting them to listen because I am not a "doctor".

As far as your diabetes goes, are you type 1 or 2? I just remember that you said you have it. Do your sugar levels yo-yo up and down?

[stickitfishy]

I dont know about the industry as a whole but my dentist no longer uses those types of fillings but a ceramic filling, I would guess that it is becoming more popular so your'e whole argument on fillings made with mercury is a little outdated.

Does insurance pay for anything other than amalgams? Mine doesn't.

[jackpine savage]

then you should pay for them yourself. I don't have dental insurance so its not an issue.

[stickitfishy]

Why do you waste my time jackpine? Are you Bret's long lost brother or something?

[jackpine savage]

Don't you find it ironic that on one hand you are preaching how to live a healthier life while for a job you sell people coffee which isn't the best thing for peoples health.

[chasintail]

This was your anwser for curing the gag reflex?The reason I asked is because Dr Tail's root extract is what cured you wife.I would just like to help other women not have such a hard time with thier throat injection.You had to be rude though. :nono:

Your small penis. Had to!

[riplipper]

is this thread really still alive....wtf

[junior]

Does insurance pay for anything other than amalgams? Mine doesn't.

I fail to see why you would even carry health insurance :confused: Back-up:D

[Wayward Son]

You're not doing your own dentistry?

[junior]

I clean my teeth with a heavy solution of pop-rocks and coca-cola. It's harsh as hell, but you get used to it. I prefer to tilt my head back, pour in WARM coke and then toss in a package of lime green pop rocks to get the foaming action going good. After you cleanse the oral cavity with this technique, all the white tongue slime, tooth decay and halitolitic funk will spew forth from your mouth much like a mini Mt. Vesuvius. I recommend doing this outdoors and preferably not in the presence of small children.

[Got Ya]

All talk. Nothing to back his words.

[Got Ya]

I like it the Pop Rocks. I bet if you keep your mouth shut you could clean your nose. And if you pinch your nose and keep your mouth shut you could clean your ears and eyes. Wow I will try it on the kids. (just kidding) the cat...

[chasintail]

Thanks brother,
I never get sick or have a bad stomach.I just feel like shit.I am a trained professional! :o


[QUOTE=StabbinBoy]Whats the cure for Hangovers:

Personally I would suggest slamming as much water as possible before going to bed, to rehydrate. If you're still hurtin' in the morning and the skanks you wake up next to aren't enough to cure ya, try this:

[bluedog]

I am simply stating what has worked for me and my understanding why. Obviously you don't want the info available to those on Spearboard. I wonder why?

If it were about money, as I assume you are insinuating, I would condone the bullshit you spew because it wouldn't cure people, it would just add to the patient population, thus increasing profits and driving up my stock. You are a very strange bird...remember to look both ways before crossing streets.

[GRIM REEFER]

Is there a way to stop all posts of certain individuals from appearing on my screen?

Go to whomever you don't like public profile. And click on "ad so and so to ignore list"
But what fun is that ;)

[Marcus]

I like it the Pop Rocks. I bet if you keep your mouth shut you could clean your nose. And if you pinch your nose and keep your mouth shut you could clean your ears and eyes. Wow I will try it on the kids. (just kidding) the cat...


If you think that works, you should try the Diet Coke and Mentos enema. Guaranteed to clear the gerbils out of your pipes...Nick. :D

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1450915772177922792

[Killer&Griller]

Cesium Chloride is one of the most alkaline elements. Otto Warburg won a Nobel prize for showing that cancer thrives in anaerobic (without oxygen), or acidic, conditions. Research by Keith Brewer, PhD and H.E. Sartori has shown that raising the pH, or oxygen content, range of a cell to 8.0 creates a deadly environment for cancer. The pH scale ranges from 0 to 14, with numbers below 7 representing an acidic condition and above 7 representing an alkaline, or oxygenated, condition. When cesium is taken up by cancer cells, it raises the pH, or oxygen content, of the cell. The cells that die are absorbed and eliminated by the body.

Cesium Chloride has been used to raise the pH of the body as an alternative or complementary cancer treatment or therapy for breast cancer, lung cancer, prostate cancer, colon cancer, pancreatic cancer, liver cancer, skin cancer, ovarian cancer, stomach cancer, cervical cancer, brain cancer, kidney cancer, testicular cancer, bone cancer, throat cancer, thyroid cancer, gastrointestinal cancer, cancers of the bladder and gallbladder, metastatic melanoma, and cancers in animals including feline, canine, and equine cancer.*

I am not knocking a natural cure by any means, just trying to figure out how most of the time, he sounds off his rocker, then the other time or two, he sounds like he is educated or knows what he is talking about. This drove me to start wondering if he was genuine with his insight and research or just a "surfer" of the net. For those wondering where he is getting his info. I starting surfing and found this one so far.

http://www.essense-of-life.com/info/cesium.htm

Everything above in the quote is a cut and paste.

[stickitfishy]

I fail to see why you would even carry health insurance :confused: Back-up:D

It is paid for in my wage package by the NECA contractors.

[stickitfishy]

If it were about money, as I assume you are insinuating, I would condone the bullshit you spew because it wouldn't cure people, it would just add to the patient population, thus increasing profits and driving up my stock. You are a very strange bird...remember to look both ways before crossing streets.


You are clueless, but you think you know so much.

[stickitfishy]

I am not knocking a natural cure by any means, just trying to figure out how most of the time, he sounds off his rocker, then the other time or two, he sounds like he is educated or knows what he is talking about. This drove me to start wondering if he was genuine with his insight and research or just a "surfer" of the net. For those wondering where he is getting his info. I starting surfing and found this one so far.

http://www.essense-of-life.com/info/cesium.htm

Everything above in the quote is a cut and paste.

I don't have the time nor do I want to post something where I have forgotten an important bit of information, to you guys. I can't remember everything, I am still recovering from horrid memory when I was very sick. If I do a search on the net to back up what I know, does that make me stupid? By the way, when I was researching I used the net. Lots of info, some credible, some not. That is why I looked deep into the info I was reading before trying it on myself.I also read my A&P books alot. You guys are lucky, I have given you what has really worked for us (2 people) without the stuff that didn't, kinda worked or caused too many problems. But I am still being persecuted by a bunch of a-holes who have their mind set on believing I don't know what I am talking about.

[Killer&Griller]

Do you crave sugars and grains, breads, cereals?
Are you fat? If so how much do you weigh?
Where's the lump in your neck exactly?
What is your normal body temp?
Do you have a whitish coating on your tongue?
What is your body temp?
What country are you from?
Are you forgetful?
Do you have foggy thinking?
Do you have gas, fart or burp alot?
Do you pooh 2-3 times a day every day?
Is your pooh normal thickness or skinny?

What is your mothers maiden name?
What is the last four digits of your SS number?
What is your pin number?
How long have you been employed at your present job?
How long have you been at your present address? :D :D :D

I am wondering if the "log" description is informative or just a fettish? :eek: :thumps:

[Killer&Griller]

Hey Stickit,

Whose teachings do you follow? Is it a bit of this and a bit of that , or is this something that you have soley created.? What are your main sources...Kevin Trudeau...Dr. Ralph Moss..... ?

I am not challenging you but I think that you may gain more credibility if people knew your main sources than if it came across that you are some sort of healer.

I believe that you have good intentions and would like to share your info with others if you can help them , but sources may increase your credibility since their is a host of alternative medicine...cures and prevention out there that can be quite dangerous and a waste of money.

I dont think its fair to ask others to just take your word for it without us knowing who you mainly follow.

Good to see the thread get back on track.

To what address should I send my stool sample :D :D

Stick------- This is the reason for the response. Just letting them know that most is cut and paste that you have read. Who says that the c & p material is correct and that you should forward it. Maybe you should state it as another persons opinions or studies that you agree with, instead of coming off as if you came up with it. Not beating on you, just giving you something to think about.

[stickitfishy]

What is your mothers maiden name?
What is the last four digits of your SS number?
What is your pin number?
How long have you been employed at your present job?
How long have you been at your present address? :D :D :D

I am wondering if the "log" description is informative or just a fettish? :eek: :thumps:

It is informative, you sick bastard!

[stickitfishy]

Stick------- This is the reason for the response. Just letting them know that most is cut and paste that you have read. Who says that the c & p material is correct and that you should forward it. Maybe you should state it as another persons opinions or studies that you agree with, instead of coming off as if you came up with it. Not beating on you, just giving you something to think about.

Dude, seriously, I don't have time to jump through your hoops to make you happy. I get up at 4:45 A.M. and get home between 4:15-4:30 P.M M-F. Wednesdays I get home at 8 P.M. because of class. I have 10-15 hours of studying/homework a week to do in order to keep an A. Oh, and the big part is that I'm going from being a night person to a day, so it is hard to go to bed early enough. I have been spending alot of time trying to help people on this thread and in many PM"S. If anyone wants to attack my thoughts on this thread then back it up, I have tried to back up my standpoint with my limited time for some of you non-believers, but it really is a waste of my time.

[aaron proffitt]

Where'd you say you can find that natural salt and silver ?

[Killer&Griller]

If I do a search on the net to back up what I know, does that make me stupid? . No, but it may or may not dictate how firm or bias your belief is, along with the integrity or conviction of your opinions, on the basis of where, or how, you received or perceived, the interpretation of information that you en devour to provide us with. Then defiantly defend as your own thought or belief.

But I am still being persecuted by a bunch of a-holes who have their mind set on believing I don't know what I am talking about.

Can't help you there. Again, you do come off as the mastermind behind of some real "brainchilds" that are a bit off sometimes according to the general population of your peers.

[Killer&Griller]

It is informative, you sick bastard!

Lighten up and don't be so serious. FYI, I am a health bastard.

[Killer&Griller]

Dude, seriously, I don't have time to jump through your hoops to make you happy.

Don't jump through any for me. If you are having trouble sleeping or energy, or just want to avoid a hangover the next morning, take a shot of this daily. Take a double shot before bedtime and it is guaranteed not to leave you with a bad hangover the next morning. No affiliation, just long time user.

The stuff is called KM and a bottle will cost you about $30 or less if you negotiate with your local rep, I get it for $ 26. Lasts two months, and helps.
Works on the Ph factor along with others naturally.

http://munizrigoberto.matol.com/

[stickitfishy]

Where'd you say you can find that natural salt and silver ?

You can find the salt at Realsalt.com, it is what you can find in health food stores around here. Don't get Celtic sea salt, it acted more like table salt. The best salt though is Himalayan Krystal, it is hard to find though. As for silver, I bought a Silver Gen and make my own with distilled water. Have never bought it from the store but they have many brands at the health food store. Take the salt away from the silver because the salt will make the particle size of the silver larger and that is bad. 15-20 ppm for the silver is best. The larger it is, the larger the particle size = the less it can do in your body. Colloidal/Ionic silver was what was around before antibiotics.

[stickitfishy]

Don't jump through any for me. If you are having trouble sleeping or energy, or just want to avoid a hangover the next morning, take a shot of this daily. Take a double shot before bedtime and it is guaranteed not to leave you with a bad hangover the next morning. No affiliation, just long time user.

The stuff is called KM and a bottle will cost you about $30 or less if you negotiate with your local rep, I get it for $ 26. Lasts two months, and helps.
Works on the Ph factor along with others naturally.

http://munizrigoberto.matol.com/

I don't have a hard time going to sleep, I have a hard time getting my ass in bed early enough to get enough sleep though.

[jackpine savage]

Doctors base their information on 4 years of medical school, 2-3 years on residency and their internship. They also continue their education to keep up on the latest advances in medicine. They are a little more informed than someone who googles for info.

[junior]

:yup:

The doctors I know have never mentioned a course that relied upon google for a textbook:D

[jackpine savage]

If you have just graduated from medical school you are in a hospital doing a residency under the direct supervision of a long established doctor. There is also the idea of a second opinion. No doctor I know would suggest you accept their opinion as the end all be all with out getting other opinions. Sure the internet is a good place to talk with others who may have experienced the same afflection, although there are help groups where you can actually go to a meeting and meet people who have had the same experience. I would not accept anything anyone I don't know tells me over the internet as gospel including what I get here. I would accept it as a starting point to begin my education. I definitely wouldn't trust someone giving me medicaal advice over the internet. That is dangerous.

[jackpine savage]

When you are deathly sick I will put money on the fact that it is a doctor you will be consulting and not the internet.

[Wayward Son]

Yeah, we never have to worry about anything posted on the net being wrong.

[Cliffsharker]

Sure the internet is a good place to talk with others who may have experienced the same afflection, although there are help groups where you can actually go to a meeting and meet people who have had the same experience. I would not accept anything anyone I don't know tells me over the internet as gospel including what I get here. I would accept it as a starting point to begin my education. I definitely wouldn't trust someone giving me medicaal advice over the internet. That is dangerous.

I believe the internet can help a person to be an informed patient, informed concerned one. Message boards related to certain sicknesses can be very helpful to enable thoses to know what other treatments are available, clinical trials , complications, etc. You cannot expect your doctor to fill you in on everything. It is important to be an informed patient .

There are patients or families who want to be as informed as possible and the doctors will often spend more time chatting with this patient , concerned ones, etc. There are others who are satisfied in putting complete faith in their doctor and/or are too overwhelmed by the available information in such a testing time.

I could not imagine being an informed patient, etc by going through medical books, journals , periodicals, etc. Who has the time when the doctor needs your decision for a [prescribed treatment on such short notice. To completey discredit the internet does not make sense to me, (not to say that you are) .The Mayo clinic, Md Anderson clinic,alternative treatments , and many other clinics , hospitals, etc have their own websites. Do we dismiss the info on these websites merely because its from the internet. I was made aware by a doctor of the latest treatment available which was pulled from a website which I believe was pulled from a medical journal...a website that was not free mind you. I think there was an annual fee of about $250 The internet also has an added advantage of having very current info available and the the speed at which it can be aquired.

The big question is how do you determine the veracity of the information gathered on a website or the veracity of a website period.

You have good intentions Stickit and you are still on a high from having good results. I am certain there are many others who have tried the homeopathic approach with horrible results as the same can be said for those who have gone the conventional way. Perhaps you have been lucky, perhaps you have side affects..ie. argumentative, short tempered :D :D or perhaps your research payed off really well.

How can you be certain that your remaining symptoms are not sideffects of you experimenting with different treatments? I understand that whatever the case you came out better than where you were headed

Jackpine Salvage- I think that what Stickit was saying was that the ADA would never admit that amalgalm fillings are harmful because of the ensuing lawsuits from those who already have them. I couldn't even imagine them flipping the bill just to replace the existing amagalm fillings never mind the liability angle.

Thats it.

[jackpine savage]

Amalgam fillings need to be replaced eventually anyway. I have had my fillings replaced with ceramic composite because they were put in 30 yrs ago and their shelf life is up, they are not forever. I agree with you on the internet as a resource,I was refering to people on this thread who were writing off the MDs, My grandfather was a doctor and the knowledge he gained from 4o years of practice is a resource you cannot get from the internet or a help group. They can go hand in hand however. That said you must make sure you go to a legitimate source for your info. Stickit and I agree when he talks of our environment being the source of many of todays ailments, I totally agree with the aluminum example. I am just very hesitant to accept certain info as reliable unless I have given it a good look over.

[Cliffsharker]

How do you know when to replace them? I have had one for over 25 years.

[stickitfishy]

I believe the internet can help a person to be an informed patient, informed concerned one. Message boards related to certain sicknesses can be very helpful to enable thoses to know what other treatments are available, clinical trials , complications, etc. You cannot expect your doctor to fill you in on everything. It is important to be an informed patient .

There are patients or families who want to be as informed as possible and the doctors will often spend more time chatting with this patient , concerned ones, etc. There are others who are satisfied in putting complete faith in their doctor and/or are too overwhelmed by the available information in such a testing time.

I could not imagine being an informed patient, etc by going through medical books, journals , periodicals, etc. Who has the time when the doctor needs your decision for a [prescribed treatment on such short notice. To completey discredit the internet does not make sense to me, (not to say that you are) .The Mayo clinic, Md Anderson clinic,alternative treatments , and many other clinics , hospitals, etc have their own websites. Do we dismiss the info on these websites merely because its from the internet. I was made aware by a doctor of the latest treatment available which was pulled from a website which I believe was pulled from a medical journal...a website that was not free mind you. I think there was an annual fee of about $250 The internet also has an added advantage of having very current info available and the the speed at which it can be aquired.

The big question is how do you determine the veracity of the information gathered on a website or the veracity of a website period.

You have good intentions Stickit and you are still on a high from having good results. I am certain there are many others who have tried the homeopathic approach with horrible results as the same can be said for those who have gone the conventional way. Perhaps you have been lucky, perhaps you have side affects..ie. argumentative, short tempered :D :D or perhaps your research payed off really well.

How can you be certain that your remaining symptoms are not sideffects of you experimenting with different treatments? I understand that whatever the case you came out better than where you were headed

Jackpine Salvage- I think that what Stickit was saying was that the ADA would never admit that amalgalm fillings are harmful because of the ensuing lawsuits from those who already have them. I couldn't even imagine them flipping the bill just to replace the existing amagalm fillings never mind the liability angle.

Thats it.

I have side effects from eating bad foods for sure. Since I have "leaky gut", when I eat things that are bad, instead of them going right out, my body absorbs them and then my immune system starts attacking making me feel crappy. I try to eat well and I do alot better than most I see, but I'm not perfect. After a saltwater flush, my mood always improves and I'm alot nicer. Same thing happens after I eat a bowl of spinach just not as much. Both are alkalizing and give you more oxygen to all your cells. Conversely, if I were to eat a pop tart or ice cream etc., it would taste good but they are acidic and my o2 levels drop. Alkalizing improves mood most definitely. And I'll show you by asking this question. Have you ever met a true vegetarian (no milk or cheese) who wasn't a very happy person and very upbeat? I havn't ever. Have you ever dove high % nitrox for several dives in a day and felt high? Where do you think the extra energy after diving comes from? The o2 is alkalizing just as alkalizing gets you more o2.

[jackpine savage]

my dentist recommend it. He said that over time they begin to fail. He recommend it, didn't say it was 100% necessary, it did sound like a good thing to do and is relatively easy.

[stickitfishy]

Amalgam fillings need to be replaced eventually anyway. I have had my fillings replaced with ceramic composite because they were put in 30 yrs ago and their shelf life is up, they are not forever. I agree with you on the internet as a resource,I was refering to people on this thread who were writing off the MDs, My grandfather was a doctor and the knowledge he gained from 4o years of practice is a resource you cannot get from the internet or a help group. They can go hand in hand however. That said you must make sure you go to a legitimate source for your info. Stickit and I agree when he talks of our environment being the source of many of todays ailments, I totally agree with the aluminum example. I am just very hesitant to accept certain info as reliable unless I have given it a good look over.

Nobody said your grandpa was a bad doctor. Hell, he had more leeway to do good back in his time. And I'm not saying to go with any alternative treatments, I have tried alot and many didn't work so hot. Coconut oil, alkalizing, sea salt, colloidal silver and blood electrification have worked very well as well as various ways of detoxing. I have reasons for all of them. You would be stupid to not research what I'm telling you, but the bashing of me by those that have never tried what I suggest or think they know everything is annoying. I have cured things, have you? Don't believe me, who cares, some people do.

[stickitfishy]

When you are deathly sick I will put money on the fact that it is a doctor you will be consulting and not the internet.

Not me, unless in an auto acident or something with similar injuries. No pharmaceuticals for me or my wife ever again.

[stickitfishy]

If you have just graduated from medical school you are in a hospital doing a residency under the direct supervision of a long established doctor. There is also the idea of a second opinion. No doctor I know would suggest you accept their opinion as the end all be all with out getting other opinions. Sure the internet is a good place to talk with others who may have experienced the same afflection, although there are help groups where you can actually go to a meeting and meet people who have had the same experience. I would not accept anything anyone I don't know tells me over the internet as gospel including what I get here. I would accept it as a starting point to begin my education. I definitely wouldn't trust someone giving me medicaal advice over the internet. That is dangerous.

I would never trust anyone giving me medical advice who has been taught by the pharm companies and both of them rely on you being sick for $$$.

[jackpine savage]

well it all depends upon your physician i suppose. 7 years ago I had a 3 1/2 peice of steel split the bones in one of my fingers completely in half. Can't fix that on the internet. Education is the key, that and making sure you have a physician you can trust. They aren't gods, they do the best job they can but they are only human. That is the biggest mistake people make with doctors. The can only do their best and sometimes people die.

[jackpine savage]

Not me, unless in an auto acident or something with similar injuries. No pharmaceuticals for me or my wife ever again.
When it comes to pills I am like you . I would rather sleep, eat healthy and drink lots of water than take an aspirin.

[jackpine savage]

Hey stickit- I don't believe I have bashed you personally. I have expressed doubts as to some of the things you have said but you shouldn't give a damn what anyone thinks.

[bluedog]

Not me, unless in an auto acident or something with similar injuries. No pharmaceuticals for me or my wife ever again.
If my wife were to see you as a trauma patient in an ED, could you provide a credit card number before she gets started? I mean, why else would she want to help you if there's no money involved...if you were capable of communicating at that time, you could ask someone standing close by to do a google search: Trauma for Dummies, Trauma 101 or Holistic Trauma. Careful though, that search may mention pain meds like fentanyl, morphine, dilaudid...you wouldn't want any of those evil pharma companies getting any of their voodoo into you, let alone your wife (sounds like you do the decision making for her). You are a character. :crazy:

[Cliffsharker]

Hi Bluedog,

You said that your wifes undergraduate degree is nutrition. Could you tell us what is being taught as todays recommended diet? Is it still based on the four food groups.?

Can you give us an opinion on the FDA.

Thanks.

[bluedog]

Hi Bluedog,

You said that your wifes undergraduate degree is nutrition. Could you tell us what is being taught as todays recommended diet? Is it still based on the four food groups.?

Can you give us an opinion on the FDA.

Thanks.

My wife could probably tell you but I'm not up to par on the recommended diet...as far as the FDA goes, I think the idea behind it's beginnings were good, but it has flaws, like most institutions it's not perfect but the basic idea is to improve the wellbeing of the nations peoples. Is there pocket-padding? I'm sure but have no proof, I believe that as a whole the FDA does function as it is supposed to, just not perfectly. Will that keep me from seeking a drug, device or treatment modality from a licensed physician, NO. I don't believe that physicians and surgeons are gods, they're people, they're fallible. I will listen to what they have to say and make an educated decision based on their opinion and current standards of care. I, however, know how to interpret peer reviewed medical journals and can sift through studies and trials that provide information that can be replicated. That is what the FDA also does in order to approve drugs/devices, etc... I guess being able to do this keeps me from being a conspiracy theorist regarding modern medicine.

[bikewrench]

I have some students who refuse to believe that humans are animals. That kind of denial is the root of many of our political, social, and, of course, medical problems. We are animals. We are omnivores; we have been designed by millions of years of evolution to eat a balanced mixture of plants and animals. From the plants we get simple carbohydrates for quick energy, complex carbohydrates for energy later, and non-digestable carbohydrates to clean our digestive tract. We also get many, many different kinds of non-food chemicals classified as vitamins and minerals that are vital to the correct biochemical performance of our cells. From animals we mainly get protein to build the physical structure of our bodies. It is possible but very difficult, to get adequate protein on a vegan diet. The "typical" American diet is so far removed from what our bodies were designed to run on that it is quite remarkable that we have an average lifespan in the 70's. What is not remarkable is the epidemic rates of obesity, heart disease, diabetes, etc. that we see in this country. These diseases are almost 100% related to a lifetime of poor (read typical) diet. Over the last century our diets have gotten further away from the "ideal", and coincidentally health problems have increased. In fact, if the current growth rates for these health problems continue, the average lifespan of a typical American is going to start to drop. In my opinion we would have no need for most of the medical profession if everyone ate like a hunter-gatherer: fresh, uncooked fruits and veggies, grown locally without chemicals. And lean chemical free meat (espicially fish). We need drink nothing more than water. If you do not eat this way, I guarantee that you will feel the benefits after only 6 or 7 days of it. Ok, start bashing me.

[Cliffsharker]

I think you meant that if you do eat this way that you will feel the benefits....

You have got it . Whole foods all the way, leave out the processed foods, foods containing additives , preservatives,etc...the plasticizing of food.
I think that if the FDA was doing their job that ninety something percent of the foods found on supermarket shelves would not be permitted.

People want to believe in fad diets centered around losing weight. Losing weight is not an indicator of eating healthy ie. the Atkins Diet. If you leave out the bad carbohydrates, you will lose weight but as long as you continue to eat manufactured food, your body will not function properly.

I dont think the diet you reccomend Bikewrench sounds appealling to most and that may be a large reason why peolpe dont give it a try. Many would have to learn how to prepare these foods so that they are palatable.Their tastebuds would go into a state of shock at the beginning.It is the only way we should be eating.

I think that if more people tried StabbinBoy's approach to treat cancer (which will never be documented as scientifically proven) there would be many more cases like his. Taking charge of his fathers diet and lifestyle he was able to keep his father around for another 5 years ...quite remarkable...stage four renal cancer !!!!

[stickitfishy]

My wife could probably tell you but I'm not up to par on the recommended diet...as far as the FDA goes, I think the idea behind it's beginnings were good, but it has flaws, like most institutions it's not perfect but the basic idea is to improve the wellbeing of the nations peoples. Is there pocket-padding? I'm sure but have no proof, I believe that as a whole the FDA does function as it is supposed to, just not perfectly. Will that keep me from seeking a drug, device or treatment modality from a licensed physician, NO. I don't believe that physicians and surgeons are gods, they're people, they're fallible. I will listen to what they have to say and make an educated decision based on their opinion and current standards of care. I, however, know how to interpret peer reviewed medical journals and can sift through studies and trials that provide information that can be replicated. That is what the FDA also does in order to approve drugs/devices, etc... I guess being able to do this keeps me from being a conspiracy theorist regarding modern medicine.

Detailed studies are not usually done unless something can be patented. Why? Because they cost alot and you can't patent things that occur in nature. That being said there are plenty of studies on what I have mentioned. Answer me this. Why is it that the FDA doesn't allow any claims of anything helping anyone except the drug-makers? Please explain how only pharmaceuticals can help anyone. While you are at it, why don't you explain why our gov will export jobs, import cheaper labor and at the same time the FDA won't allow people to buy the same drugs, they buy in the U.S., cheaper from other countries. Could it be that the FDA is in the pocket of the drug-pushers?

[stickitfishy]

I have some students who refuse to believe that humans are animals. That kind of denial is the root of many of our political, social, and, of course, medical problems. We are animals. We are omnivores; we have been designed by millions of years of evolution to eat a balanced mixture of plants and animals. From the plants we get simple carbohydrates for quick energy, complex carbohydrates for energy later, and non-digestable carbohydrates to clean our digestive tract. We also get many, many different kinds of non-food chemicals classified as vitamins and minerals that are vital to the correct biochemical performance of our cells. From animals we mainly get protein to build the physical structure of our bodies. It is possible but very difficult, to get adequate protein on a vegan diet. The "typical" American diet is so far removed from what our bodies were designed to run on that it is quite remarkable that we have an average lifespan in the 70's. What is not remarkable is the epidemic rates of obesity, heart disease, diabetes, etc. that we see in this country. These diseases are almost 100% related to a lifetime of poor (read typical) diet. Over the last century our diets have gotten further away from the "ideal", and coincidentally health problems have increased. In fact, if the current growth rates for these health problems continue, the average lifespan of a typical American is going to start to drop. In my opinion we would have no need for most of the medical profession if everyone ate like a hunter-gatherer: fresh, uncooked fruits and veggies, grown locally without chemicals. And lean chemical free meat (espicially fish). We need drink nothing more than water. If you do not eat this way, I guarantee that you will feel the benefits after only 6 or 7 days of it. Ok, start bashing me.

What kind of teacher are you?

One of the biggest problems we have is that our acidic diet is neutralized by our alkaline minerals. Then when we become mineral deficient, our cells don't work properly and disease may step in. One of the most important minerals I have found to be magnesium. Magnesium has helped me no longer have back pain, has helped me with headaches, stress, sleep etc. and is one of the things that has helped my wife with her restless leg syndrome. The hard part about minerals though is getting them in the right ratio because one usually depletes another.

[Petra]

If my wife were to see you as a trauma patient in an ED, could you provide a credit card number before she gets started? I mean, why else would she want to help you if there's no money involved...

Are you being facetious with this comment?

[bluedog]

Detailed studies are not usually done unless something can be patented. Why? Because they cost alot and you can't patent things that occur in nature. That being said there are plenty of studies on what I have mentioned.

They're bullshit "studies", show me something you have that is peer-reviewed, and can be replicated with the same results. Show me a proven treatment modality, show me how it was proven with a double blind study, how did they obtain their study group...abracadabra! show me more bullshit. You don't know what you are even talking about, if it can be proven it would be scientifically documented in a way that the results could be replicated, it's not about patents, it's called the scientific process. Get an education.

[stickitfishy]

A lot of us living here in Florida have heritage from European countries in a totally different climate. Our families may have lived there for thousands of years. In those many years we (our families) adapted to the local ailments(parasites, bacteria etc.) genetically. Now fast forward. Our families move to the U.S., most of you are here from the north, and then you move to Florida. Florida has a subtropical/tropical climate and your genetics that have developed immunity in your homeland do not have immunity from the critters in this totally different climate. Now the more your family has bred with people from subtropical/tropical climates the more immunity you will have. So what do we and what works. Native plants always have protections from native parasites. It is important to eat native natural foods if you want these protections inside you. Coconut oil (extra virgin because of the way it is processed) has worked wonders for me and my wife, absolutely amazing. People from Polynesia eat a diet heavy in coconuts, they don't get fat and they don't have problems with parasites. Coconut oil is powerful, it is the only fat I have ever eaten that has actually increased my body temp and given me energy. So do yourself a favor and look into it. A very tasty way to eat coconut oil is to use honey and cocoa to make it into a fudge. The fudge may taste anywhere between dark chocolate and fudge depending on the ratio of each ingredient and type of honey you use. 1/2 cup coconut oil/ 1/2 cup cocoa and 1/3 cup honey is a good starting point. Coconut oil is solid below about 76 degrees and liquid above. So the fudge can be made in 5 minutes and be ready to eat, try to not eat it all, it is addicting. Thought I'd share.

[Petra]

What can give women to cure the gag reflex?

Practice.

[bluedog]

Are you being facetious with this comment?

Yes, I certainly was, but thanks for clarifying.

[Steve Bennett]

Practice.

Is that an offer to tutor? ;)

[Petra]

Just putting in my $.02.

;)

[stickitfishy]

They're bullshit "studies", show me something you have that is peer-reviewed, and can be replicated with the same results. Show me a proven treatment modality, show me how it was proven with a double blind study, how did they obtain their study group...abracadabra! show me more bullshit. You don't know what you are even talking about, if it can be proven it would be scientifically documented in a way that the results could be replicated, it's not about patents, it's called the scientific process. Get an education.

I'll take actual results from actual humans vs. scientific studies done with a profit motive in mind every time. Obviously you won't because you have either been really brainwashed, have no capability to think for yourself or are just dumb! Which is it?

[stickitfishy]

Is that an offer to tutor? ;)

You want Petra to help you get over your gag reflex? :lol:
Say it isn't so.

[bluedog]

I'll take actual results from actual humans vs. scientific studies done with a profit motive in mind every time. Obviously you won't because you have either been really brainwashed, have no capability to think for yourself or are just dumb! Which is it?
I'm educated...are you just a dumbass? the majority of medical studies are not profit motivated...stop being a conspiracy theorist and be rational. Open your crazy eyes and put the pipe down.

[Steve Bennett]

While many of your concoctions sound good, and your logic seems semi-solid, you really can't count any of your personal examples as "proof." The placebo affect is a strong one, as evidenced by the people who actually beat cancer and other killer conditions by pure will power, that's why new products aren't accepted without multiple double-blind experiments. Even if you had all of this "proof" it would still be hard to prove that your silver actually caused healing, while it would have more than likely, only correlated to it with the change in eating habits, etc.

What works for you, works for you and while your intentions here may be only to help others out, don't go parading around some mineral as a miracle cure all for cancer, diabetes, aids, etc. That is seriously laughable.


Just my 2 cents...

A lot of us living here in Florida have heritage from European countries in a totally different climate. Our families may have lived there for thousands of years. In those many years we (our families) adapted to the local ailments(parasites, bacteria etc.) genetically. Now fast forward. Our families move to the U.S., most of you are here from the north, and then you move to Florida. Florida has a subtropical/tropical climate and your genetics that have developed immunity in your homeland do not have immunity from the critters in this totally different climate. Now the more your family has bred with people from subtropical/tropical climates the more immunity you will have. So what do we and what works. Native plants always have protections from native parasites. It is important to eat native natural foods if you want these protections inside you. Coconut oil (extra virgin because of the way it is processed) has worked wonders for me and my wife, absolutely amazing. People from Polynesia eat a diet heavy in coconuts, they don't get fat and they don't have problems with parasites. Coconut oil is powerful, it is the only fat I have ever eaten that has actually increased my body temp and given me energy. So do yourself a favor and look into it. A very tasty way to eat coconut oil is to use honey and cocoa to make it into a fudge. The fudge may taste anywhere between dark chocolate and fudge depending on the ratio of each ingredient and type of honey you use. 1/2 cup coconut oil/ 1/2 cup cocoa and 1/3 cup honey is a good starting point. Coconut oil is solid below about 76 degrees and liquid above. So the fudge can be made in 5 minutes and be ready to eat, try to not eat it all, it is addicting. Thought I'd share.

[jackpine savage]

I'll take actual results from actual humans vs. scientific studies done with a profit motive in mind every time. Obviously you won't because you have either been really brainwashed, have no capability to think for yourself or are just dumb! Which is it?
Not every study done is based upon profit motive. You have not spent much time with scientiss in many of the universities in this country. To say they all do research based upon money given to them by pharmacuetical companies is not true. Many of the studies that have shown certain chemicals and medications to be bad for people came from university research. Many scientists do research to discover the truth. If you can't comprehend that then I am suprised.

[jackpine savage]

While many of your concoctions sound good, and your logic seems semi-solid, you really can't count any of your personal examples as "proof." The placebo affect is a strong one, as evidenced by the people who actually beat cancer and other killer conditions by pure will power, that's why new products aren't accepted without multiple double-blind experiments. Even if you had all of this "proof" it would still be hard to prove that your silver actually caused healing, while it would more likely have only correlated to it with the change in eating habits, etc.

What works for you, works for you and while your intentions here may be only to help others out, don't go parading around some mineral as a miracle cure all for cancer, diabetes, aids, etc. That is seriously laughable.


Just my 2 cents...
:yup:

[Steve Bennett]

You want Petra to help you get over your gag reflex? :lol:
Say it isn't so.


Thank God no, but I can think of a few that could use some practiice.

[bluedog]

I'm not getting into it anymore, obviously you are a confused uneducated individual unwilling to learn. I asked for specific types of studies...you can't produce them. I hope you never need a physician or surgeon, I hope you never have to ponder the bullshit you spew while laying half sedated on a ventilator. Good luck saving millions miracle worker, when you patent your snake oil send me some...with the study.

[stickitfishy]

While many of your concoctions sound good, and your logic seems semi-solid, you really can't count any of your personal examples as "proof." The placebo affect is a strong one, as evidenced by the people who actually beat cancer and other killer conditions by pure will power, that's why new products aren't accepted without multiple double-blind experiments. Even if you had all of this "proof" it would still be hard to prove that your silver actually caused healing, while it would have more than likely, only correlated to it with the change in eating habits, etc.

What works for you, works for you and while your intentions here may be only to help others out, don't go parading around some mineral as a miracle cure all for cancer, diabetes, aids, etc. That is seriously laughable.


Just my 2 cents...

Where have I paraded that a mineral was the cure for all disease? And silver, did not cause healing but it helped kill things that were hindering healing. You obviously don't know what a good ionic/colloidal silver can do nor the mechanisms behind why? Why is silver used to purify drinking water?

[SpearSlayer]

Practice.

Petra you are jus too kewl....I love the way you handle comments like that. :thumps:

[stickitfishy]

I'm not getting into it anymore, obviously you are a confused uneducated individual unwilling to learn. I asked for specific types of studies...you can't produce them. I hope you never need a physician or surgeon, I hope you never have to ponder the bullshit you spew while laying half sedated on a ventilator. Good luck saving millions miracle worker, when you patent your snake oil send me some...with the study.


You are an ass. I am educated. You are educated to believe in things that are false and are very hostile about it. Most people believe in their doctors, you should be able to, but we keep getting sicker and fatter as a whole. Wonder why?

[stickitfishy]

Not every study done is based upon profit motive. You have not spent much time with scientiss in many of the universities in this country. To say they all do research based upon money given to them by pharmacuetical companies is not true. Many of the studies that have shown certain chemicals and medications to be bad for people came from university research. Many scientists do research to discover the truth. If you can't comprehend that then I am suprised.

I can show all kinds of studies. He wants double-blind clinical trials. How often are those attempted when $$ is not the desired outcome? They are extremely expensive.

[Steve Bennett]

Where have I paraded that a mineral was the cure for all disease? And silver, did not cause healing but it helped kill things that were hindering healing. You obviously don't know what a good ionic/colloidal silver can do nor the mechanisms behind why? Why is silver used to purify drinking water?


Did you seriously read my entire post, then only refute the last 4 words? :sleep:

Why don't you try it again? Wait a minute, you can't, because everything is else is science...

[bluedog]

You are an ass. I am educated. You are educated to believe in things that are false and are very hostile about it. Most people believe in their doctors, you should be able to, but we keep getting sicker and fatter as a whole. Wonder why?
I got out of healthcare because of ungrateful turds like you who thought they "got it". I found it to be a waste of breath. That's it, you will get no more responses, go sell coffee or fix a light switch. Oh, and the studies you state are sooo expensive, I guarantee you, if those witch spells you spew about worked, there would be a lot of loaded people who were healed by that junk willing to foot the bill to help others, they would collectively foot the bill to get the word out.

[BloodyShaft]

I had to skip the last several pages of reading, just to say I have great respect for our Medical professionals.

Silver, Coconut Oil, epsom salts and SW flushes weren't going to replace my ACL, PCL, and LCL in my knee when I lost all 3 in an accident.

While I recognize some holistic approaches actually have merit, In general a healthy diet and an active lifestyle will serve the majority of us just fine.

I think the problem here for stickitfishy, is the "born again" kind of approach. I never did catch how you let yourself get into such a poor state of health in the first place.....Like I said I had to skip the last 3-4 pages before "my vision and mind became foggy" from this thread.

Again thank you to all those in the medical profession out there, I know my surgeon didn't just "get rid of the smoke" he "put out the fire". JME.

And for those holistic fans out there, there is certainly some truth out there....some.

Enough of this, I'm off to have some "Noni" malted beverages.

[Steve Bennett]

You are an ass. I am educated. You are educated to believe in things that are false and are very hostile about it. Most people believe in their doctors, you should be able to, but we keep getting sicker and fatter as a whole. Wonder why?


Are you implying that it's our reliance on doctors that is making the nation fatter and sicker?

I'm going to get out of this thread before I say something too forward.

You're the most self-centered hypocrite in the entire thread. You degrade others for believing mainstream, widely accepted information, while you boast about how your self-discovered knowledge is the absolute undebatable truth.

[Steve Bennett]

I had to skip the last several pages of reading, just to say I have great respect for our Medical professionals.

Silver, Coconut Oil, epsom salts and SW flushes weren't going to replace my ACL, PCL, and LCL in my knee when I lost all 3 in an accident.

While I recognize some holistic approaches actually have merit, In general a healthy diet and an active lifestyle will serve the majority of us just fine.

I think the problem here for stickitfishy, is the "born again" kind of approach. I never did catch how you let yourself get into such a poor state of health in the first place.....Like I said I had to skip the last 3-4 pages before "my vision and mind became foggy" from this thread.

Again thank you to all those in the medical profession out there, I know my surgeon didn't just "get rid of the smoke" he "put out the fire". JME.

And for those holistic fans out there, there is certainly some truth out there....some.

Enough of this, I'm off to have some "Noni" malted beverages.


:yup: especially about the malted beverages :thumps:

[Steve Bennett]

I can show all kinds of studies. He wants double-blind clinical trials. How often are those attempted when $$ is not the desired outcome? They are extremely expensive.

Ya right. The world you live in must really suck, have some faith in people, not everyone out there is trying to hide the truth in order to make money.

I can come up with 5 people that I know personally that would foot the bill for say $30 million if there was any merit behind your concoctions. However, there is a reason why it hasn't been done, there's no proof behind it. You're not going to convince anyone here that silver is going to cure things that we've been trying to fix for 100's of years.

[stickitfishy]

I've got several people on this thread intent on bashing my experiences that I have had and am trying to share with the rest of you. It is really annoying! I offer help and you bashers offer nothing. You don't believe me so you try to require me to jump through your hoops. I don't need to waste my time with you. When we were dying, I found the answers we were looking for. What have you overcome by yourself? Health is simple, it us who make it complex. If you want a cure-most, here it is. Disease can not live in an oxygen rich (alkaline body). So go buy an acre, enrich the soil with the minerals it is missing, grow a garden, eat 80% veggies and only unprocessed lean hormone free meat. That will cure you. Of course, you may not be able to alkalize fast enough for advanced diseases just by doing this but it's a good start. What we breathe, absorb and eat determine our health as well as genetics to a much lesser degree. It is up to you to breathe, absorb and eat healthy. It's not easy. When the time comes in your life when you are knocking on deaths door, you will have the option to give up, entrust your life to a stranger or help yourself. Since we were not working and fighting workers comp to cover us, we ran out of money to go to doctors. Since we kept getting sicker, I had the choice to give up or figure it out for myself. I figured it out and now I am sharing what I have found. Many have PM'd me and are greatful, I wish you guys would speak out on this thread.

[stickitfishy]

I got out of healthcare because of ungrateful turds like you who thought they "got it". I found it to be a waste of breath. That's it, you will get no more responses, go sell coffee or fix a light switch. Oh, and the studies you state are sooo expensive, I guarantee you, if those witch spells you spew about worked, there would be a lot of loaded people who were healed by that junk willing to foot the bill to help others, they would collectively foot the bill to get the word out.

I thought your ignorance was leaving the thread?

[stickitfishy]

Did you seriously read my entire post, then only refute the last 4 words? :sleep:

Why don't you try it again? Wait a minute, you can't, because everything is else is science...

Part of your post agrees with me, part does not. You know nothing about colloidal silver and you feel obligated to post what you think. I know what it actually does so I post what it does. Why is it that people insist to argue their opinions against my experiences? You have ear issues I remember reading a while back. You could really use some silver in your sinuses to kill the problem and then a saline wash daily to ensure that your sinuses stay healthy. I had allergy shots for years when I was little, had tubes in my ears when I was little. Had my ear close shut and had to have it lanced from ear infections. Have been around the water my entire life surfing, fishing, diving and have always, always had ear problems. I tell you what works and I no longer have ear problems and you refute it based on what?

[stickitfishy]

Are you implying that it's our reliance on doctors that is making the nation fatter and sicker?

I'm going to get out of this thread before I say something too forward.

You're the most self-centered hypocrite in the entire thread. You degrade others for believing mainstream, widely accepted information, while you boast about how your self-discovered knowledge is the absolute undebatable truth.

Mainstream accepted info doesn't seem to be working now does it?

[stickitfishy]

I didn't say silver cured things, I said it kills things. If you need proof look it up, it is out there. Once again, you twist my words.

[SpearSlayer]

Many have PM'd me and are greatful, I wish you guys would speak out on this thread.

I'm one of em.....Great info Stickit.....keep it rolling in. :thumps:

[stickitfishy]

Study Shows Silver Nanoparticles Attach to HIV-1 virus
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In the first-ever study of metal nanoparticles' interaction with HIV-1, silver nanoparticles of sizes 1-10nm attached to HIV-1 and prevented the virus from bonding to host cells. The study, published in the Journal of Nanotechnology, was a joint project between the University of Texas, Austin and Mexico Univeristy, Nuevo Leon.


"Our article opens an important avenue for research," said Miguel Jose Yacaman, from University of Texas, Department of Engineering and one of the study's authors.

In this study, scientists mixed silver nanoparticles with three different capping agents: foamy carbon, poly (PVP), and bovine serum albumin (BSA)."Not using a capping agent could result in the synthesis of big crystals instead of nanocrystals," explained Yacaman.

Transmission electron microscopy (TEM) showed the silver nanoparticles in the foamy carbon matrix were joined together, but an ultrasonic bath in deionized water released a significant number of nanoparticles. These nanoparticles were of size 16.19 (+-8.69)nm and had the greatest variety of shapes, such as icosahedral, decahedral, and elongated.

"Because of the synthesis procedure, the foamy carbon-coated naoparticles are more likely to have broad shape distribution," said Yacaman. Scientists used the electron beam to release the remainder of the nanoparticles from the joined bundle.

For the PVP-coated silver nanoparticles, scientists used glycerine as a dissolving agent. These particles were of size 6.53 (+-2.41). In the third preparation, scientists used serum albumin, the most common protein in blood plasma. The sulfur, oxygen, and nitrogen chemicals in BSA stabilized the nanoparticles, which were in the range of 3.12 (+-2.00) nm.

Scientists studied the absorption spectra of the different preparations to pinpoint their shapes. "Spherical nanoparticles absorbed in the blue region of the spectrum, for example," Yacaman said.

Also, the UV-Visible spectra graphs helped the group determine nanoparticle sizes. "The surface plasmon resonance peak wavelength increased with size," explained Yacaman.



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Scientists tested, in vitro, each of three silver nanoparticle-preparations in HIV-1 cells. Yacaman and his colleagues incubated the samples at 37 C. After three hours and 24 hours, respectively, 0% of the cells were living.

The results showed that a silver nanoparticle concentration greater than 25 ug/mL worked more effectively at inhibiting HIV-1 cells. Plus, the foamy carbon was a slightly-better capping agent because of its free surface area. Size also played a role since none of the attached nanoparticles were greater than 10nm.

Scientists think the nanoparticles bonded through the gp120 glycoprotein knobs on HIV-1, using the sulfur residues on the knobs. The spacing between the knobs of ~22nm matched the center-to-center nanoparticle spacing.

Although this study shows silver nanoparticles may treat HIV-1, scientists need to research this relationship further. "We lack information regarding the long-term effects of metal nanoparticles," cautioned Yacaman. Scientists are forming a preventive cream for HIV-1, which they will test on humans.

Scientists are also studying other uses for silver nanoparticles. "We're testing against other viruses and the 'super bug (Methicillin resistant staphylococcus aureus).' Our preliminary results indicate that silver nanoparticles can effectively attack other micro-organisms," Yacaman said.

[Steve Bennett]

Part of your post agrees with me, part does not. You know nothing about colloidal silver and you feel obligated to post what you think. I know what it actually does so I post what it does. Why is it that people insist to argue their opinions against my experiences? You have ear issues I remember reading a while back. You could really use some silver in your sinuses to kill the problem and then a saline wash daily to ensure that your sinuses stay healthy. I had allergy shots for years when I was little, had tubes in my ears when I was little. Had my ear close shut and had to have it lanced from ear infections. Have been around the water my entire life surfing, fishing, diving and have always, always had ear problems. I tell you what works and I no longer have ear problems and you refute it based on what?


"Based on what?" Based on the fact that you have absolutely ZERO to support anything that you are saying. I'd be the first to jump on the bandwagon if you did, but honestly, how come no one else is advocating this stuff?

I'm glad silver fixed your sinuses, allergy shots and a prescription steroid pack fixed me up fine.

[stickitfishy]

Studies showing silver killing specific pathogens.

http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/biostudies.html

[stickitfishy]

"Based on what?" Based on the fact that you have absolutely ZERO to support anything that you are saying. I'd be the first to jump on the bandwagon if you did, but honestly, how come no one else is advocating this stuff?

I'm glad silver fixed your sinuses, allergy shots and a prescription steroid pack fixed me up fine.

I am posting support for what I say. Steroids may seem to work but they do other harmful things.

[Steve Bennett]

I am posting support for what I say. Steroids may seem to work but they do other harmful things.

after perusing the links, it looks like each of those studies are either biased or inconclusive.

I don't doubt that the stuff might do some good, but it is not what you have it cracked up to be.

[stickitfishy]

Mild Silver Protein and Its Effectiveness Against Internal and Topical Infections
by James South MA

Reprinted with permission of International Antiaging Systems at www.smart-drugs.net

Silver (Ag) is atomic element number 47, with an atomic weight of 108. It is one of the so-called 'heavy metals', along with lead, mercury, cadmium, and gold. Yet unlike its heavy metal cousins, Silver is surprisingly non-toxic to humans and animals. And unlike the other heavy metals, Silver has a long history of successful medical and public health use dating back 6000 years!

Silver has been used to speed wound healing, treat infections, purify water and preserve beverages. For example, the ancient Macedonians covered wounds with silver plates to speed healing (1), and N.R. Thompson has noted that "The germicidal properties of silver, although not recognized as such, have been utilized since the times of the ancient Mediterranean and Asiatic cultures, references being made to the use of silver vessels to prevent spoilage of beverages, and silver foil or plates in the surgical treatment of wounds and broken bones."(2)

The modern era of Silver usage began in 1893, when C. Von Nageli reported the first systematic investigation into the lethal effects of metals [especially silver] towards bacteria and lower life forms.... To primitive life forms oligodynamic silver is as toxic as the most powerful chemical disinfectants and this, coupled with its relative harmlessness to [animal] life, gives it great potential as a disinfectant.... The term 'oligodynamic'[silver refers to] solutions in which the metal ion concentration is many orders of magnitude below that which would be lethal to higher life forms."(2)

From 1900 to the beginning of the modern antibiotic era - circa 1940 with the introduction of sulfa drugs - Silver was one of the mainstays of medical practice in Europe and America. Various forms of Silver were used to treat literally hundreds of ailments: lung infections such as pneumonia, tuberculosis and pleurisy (3); sexual diseases such as gonorrhea and syphillis (4); skin conditions such as cuts, wounds, leg ulcers, pustular eczema, impetigo and boils (4); acute meningitis and epidemic cerebro-spinal meningitis (3); infectious diseases such as Mediterranean fever, erysipelas, cystitis, typhus, typhoid fever, and tonsilitis (3); eye disorders such as dacryocystitis, corneal ulcers, conjunctivitis and blepharitis (5); and various forms of septicemia, including puerperal fever, peritonitis and post-abortion septicemia (3, 6). (This list does not even begin to exhaust the published medical uses for Silver in Europe and America, 1900-1940).

In 1939 Hill and Pillsbury listed 94 different proprietary Silver preparations in use up to that time (7). However, with the coming of the antibiotic era, Silver rapidly fell into disuse and the medical 'memory hole', as it was replaced first by sulfa drugs, then penicillin (post WWII), and since then by hundreds of specialized antibiotics.

Under the onslaught of antibiotic warfare, the second half of the 20th century witnessed the seeming eradication, or at least control, of most of mankind's ancient plague scourges. Indeed some major infectious diseases have been virtually wiped out in the modern world, (supposedly) thanks to antibiotics. By the late 1980's, antibiotics had so succeeded in controlling/eradicating most germ diseases, that medical researchers and pharmaceutical companies seriously slowed research into new antibiotics, thinking that there was no longer any need for (and not nearly enough 'big bucks' to be made from) newer and better antibiotics. Yet by the 1990's the picture began to change again.

Due to an antibiotic-accelerated Darwinian evolution of microbes, more and more germ species previously controlled by antibiotics began to develop ways to combat antibiotics. This in turn gave rise to so-called 'super-germs', such as killer E. coli, 'flesh-eating' strep A bacteria, multiple antibiotic-resistant tuberculosis bacteria and chloroguine-resistant malarial parasites (8, 9). The overprescription of antibiotics by doctors under pressure from their patients, for ailments where they are useless (e.g. against common viral diseases such as cold and flu); the failure of patients to take the full course of their prescribed antibiotics (allowing germs to recover and develop antibiotic resistance); and the widespread use of low-level antibiotics in animal feed to increase farmer's profits (40% of U.S. antibiotics go into animal feed), have all helped create antibiotic-resistant bacteria (8, 9).

Some common (and dangerous) germs such as Staph aureus (found especially in hospitals) are now known to be resistant to all but one antibiotic-vancomycin - and soon are expected to be vancomycin-resistant too (8,9). "In 1992, 13,300 hospital patients died [in the U.S.] of bacterial infections that resisted the antibiotics fired at them, says the CDC (8)."

Thanks to NAFTA, widespread international air travel, eco-tourism to exotic third-world forests and islands, and massive migration of third-world peoples to Europe and America, hosts of exotic diseases once isolated to small areas of the planet are now showing up all over (8, 9). Malaria is once again returning to the U.S. The exotic and deadly Ebola virus has broken out in a lab in Maryland. Shigella (which causes dysentery) was practically unheard of in America before 1990, but it is now being spread from contaminated fruits and vegetables imported into the U.S. under NAFTA, and is now routinely seen at clinics in California.

Perhaps the scariest scenario that may present a need for a powerful, broad-spectrum antimicrobial such as Silver is the late 1990's threat of 'bioterrorism.' It is now widely expected by biowarfare and terrorism experts that, whether due to small groups of terrorists, or as a form of warfare by 'rogue'/totalitarian nations such as China, Iran, Libya, N. Korea, Syria, or Russia, it is only a matter of time before 'germ warfare' is unleashed in Europe or America (10). And if the supergerms released have been produced in sophisticated biowarfare labs, they will probably have been genetically altered to make them resistant to the antibiotics normally used to treat that species of germ - e.g. tetracycline/doxycycline normally used to treat Anthrax (the number 1 favorite of 'biowarfare warriors' world-wide) (10). It is interesting to note that silver - both in liquid solution and as an airborne-aerosol - has been known since 1887 to be extremely toxic to Anthrax spores (1, 10, 11, 12). And it is widely reported in the medical literature on Silver that various forms of Silver, often at surprisingly low concentrations, routinely kills germs that are known to be antibiotic-resistant (11, 13, 19, 20).

Most antibiotics have an optimal effectiveness against only a few different disease germs; even broad-spectrum antibiotics may kill only 10-20 different types of bacteria. Also, most antibiotics that kill bacteria will not kill fungus/yeasts, protozoal parasites or viruses; antifungal antibiotics will not kill bacteria, viruses, parasites, etc. And virtually all known viruses are immune to virtually all known antibiotics.

Silver is unique among antimicrobial agents in its broad spectrum of action. It has been claimed to kill some 650 different disease organisms (13). And unlike antibiotics, Silver is an 'equal opportunity destroyer' - it doesn't discriminate, but effectively kills germs of all major types: gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria, spore-forming bacteria, fungus/yeasts, viruses and protozoal parasites. Silver sulfadiazine (Silvadeneâ), used almost universally in hospitals to prevent serious burn infections (11), kills dozens of different bacteria (11, 14, 16); it also kills 95% of 72 strains of herpesvirus (15), as well as the protozoal parasite Plasmodium berghei (malaria) (17). Silvadeneâ also kills various yeasts, including several Aspergillus varieties, Mucor pusillus, Rhizopus nigricans and 50 different clinical isolates of Candida albicans (18).

Electrically-generated colloidal silver [Ag(e)] has been shown to kill dozens of bacteria, including Providencia stuartii, a germ already resistant in the 1970's to all antibiotics except amikacin (19), as well as two strains of Enterobacter cloacae that were isolated from burn patients and were relatively resistant even to Silvadeneâ (20). Ag(e) has also proved adept at killing various yeast/fungus species at very low Silver concentrations, including Candida albicans, C. parapsilosis, C. tropicalis, C. pseudotropicalis, Torulopsis glabrata and Aspergillus niger (20, 23).

Ag(e) has been shown to kill cysts of the common water-borne protozoal parasite Entamoeba histolytica (22). Ag(e) has also killed the protozoa Paramecium when exposed to 2.2 PPM Silver, as well as the protozoa Varicella at 5.9 PPM Silver (1).

Ag(e) was even somewhat effective in killing Poliovirus in swimming pool water, at the extremely low concentration of 0.015mg Silver per liter of water (15 parts per billion!) (21).

The proprietary silver compounds Certisil and Micropur, used to disinfect water, are effective against Bovine Enterovirus, Vacciniavirus (cowpox), Influenza A and Pseudorabies virus (21).

In short, as pioneering silver researcher Dr. Henry Margraf has stated, "Silver is the best all round germ-fighter we have." (13).

[stickitfishy]

The whole article above

http://www.chetday.com/colloidalsilverresearch.htm

[stickitfishy]

after perusing the links, it looks like each of those studies are either biased or inconclusive.

I don't doubt that the stuff might do some good, but it is not what you have it cracked up to be.

Is your daddy a doctor or something and he told you this? What do you know? Really? Have you used a good quality ionic/colloidal silver for anything? No? I didn't think so!

[Mikerotch]

As far as your diabetes goes, are you type 1 or 2? I just remember that you said you have it. Do your sugar levels yo-yo up and down?

I did not realize this thread was the continuation of another. It makes a little more sense now. Type 1. Sugars are controlled as well as a type 1 can expect. HA1C averages around 6.5.

Mikerotch, still diabetic

[stickitfishy]

Mikecrotch you are just like people with other diseases, yours just affects your pancreas while others have different organs affected. Your body is in a diseased state, you are loaded with toxins to the point your pancreas doesn't hardly work at all. You should look into detoxing and eating right. When you detox your cells, some cells are cleaned free of their junk. This allows the junk in other cells to move into the "clean" ones, keep doing it and your pancreas cells will eventually become clean of toxins. If you do this and provide the right nutrition for your cells, to get the minerals they need, then you will be cured. This is not an overnight cure. It is a commitmment and a total lifestyle change. You also must avoid breathing or getting toxins on your skin as much as you can.

The best way to detox that I have found to work is to do Saltwater Flushes to begin with and detox baths with epsom salts (110 degree water or as close as you can stand) followed by a cold shower. You may want to start with detox hot foot baths alternated with cold water, they are weaker but are easier to do more often and are better for those who are really sick. The cold shower stops the release of acids and toxins into the lymph system. The release of too many acids/toxins will make you feel very bad (herxheimer reaction) as some previously stored toxins are released into the bloodstream on the way out. Now, you can add things to the baths and do things to make the baths more and more powerful and they are very powerful!!! But at this point they would do you more harm than good.

I'll try to explain how your cells work and how the baths work. Lets just say you have an acidic body which you undoubtedly do. Toxins are acidic and acids are toxic to your body so I may interchange them. Let's say you eat some acidic food. Your body is smart, it wants to keep this crap away from your bloodstream. Toxins/acids tend to be stored in your feet and extremities. Now you drink something basic like milk, you take some calcium containing food or the alkaline minerals leach from your bones which leads to osteoporosis if it happens enough. The base (alkaline minerals) travels to the acids to try and neutralize them to create homeostsis. Okay, so you have acid/toxic laden feet and calcium or other alkaline minerals travel down there to neutralize them. When this happens, the cells become hard because of the abundance of alkaline minerals needed to neutralize. Now you have poor circulation in your feet because your cells are clogged. The same thing happens in your pancreas and elsewehere in your body. In fact, the minerals a cell may need to fuction properly will be pulled from the cell to help neutralize acids/toxins in others because your body believes it is more important to neutralize toxins than have cells function right. Now when you take an alkaline hot bath, the acids/toxins flow out of your skin from the lymph fluid into the water trying to neutralize the water in the bath. You can test this by measuring the PH of the water before and after the bath, by measuring your skins PH before and after the bath. And you would realize that your skins PH was more acidic each day after the bath because since you have unclogged acids/toxins from your skins cells during the bath, the acidic ones inside you are now sending acids to the skin since it is a huge elimination route for your body. So you do it again and again. When the bath starts becoming weaker, you increase the PH of the water and take things such as no-flush niacin to release more acids. But all of this is a waste of time if you don't start eating alkaline. I hope you understood this.

[stickitfishy]

Don't use hydrogen peroxide in your bath unless it is food grade, regular store bought has stabilizers in it that are not listed and are bad for you. I recommend the first bath without the hydrogen peroxide, it is cheap and easy and powerful. Don't try the second bath until you are in much better shape, it is EXTREMELY powerful but it is still cheap. But calcium hydroxide is very basic and can burn the shit out of you so be very careful.



Alkalizing Baths that Detoxify Acids!



These baths may pull huge amounts of toxins and acids out of your body fats into your lymphatic system, but if you do not take a cold shower at the end, you may overload the body with too many toxins and acids which it is trying to get rid of and make yourself feel worse.

The ideal way is to start of slow, with a shorter soak time and build up. I suggest you start with 10 minutes and build up to 30 minutes.

There are a few baths that I will add here that can truly help to alkalize you and start the removal of acidic wastes from the body. Sometimes you will feel invigorated and sometimes you will feel drained.

You can do these as often as you want.

You may also try these as foot baths, which may be particularly effective if you have any problems with the lower half of the body. Do not attempt these baths until you have read ALL the notes below! Thank you!


BATH 1 with H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide):

* 2-3 cups of Epsom Salts (Magnesium Sulphate) - approx 2 lbs
* 1-2 cups of Sodium Bicarbonate (Baking Soda) - approx 1 lb
* Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) - 1 pint of 3% solution OR 1.5 ounces of 35% solution - **please check safety notes below**

Run a hot bath and add all your ingredients apart from the H2O2 - add that at the end and swirl it into the bath. You want to SWEAT!! Try and stay as submerged as possible but do NOT get the water into your eyes.
After 10-30 minutes, take a freezing cold shower for 1 minute, or however long it takes for you to cool down.

BATH 2 with Calcium Hydroxide

* 2-3 cups of Magnesium sulphate(Epsom Salts)
* 1-2 tablespoons of Calcium hydroxide Powder (MUST be diluted first - place the CH powder in a gallon of water to make sure it's dispersed, please check notes below) **Please read safety notes below**

Run a hot bath and add all your ingredients. You want to SWEAT!! You WILL sweat! Try and stay as submerged as possible but do NOT get the water into your eyes.

I would not recommend this bath to those that have cronic disease because it is so powerful - wait till you are a little stronger.

After 10-30 minutes take a freezing cold shower for 1 minute, or however long it takes for you to cool down. This is essential! (Please read health notes below).



BATH 3 with Apple Cider Vinegar

* 2-3 cups of Magnesium sulphate(Epsom Salts)
* 2 Cups of Apple Cider Vinegar

Run a hot bath and add all your ingredients. You want to SWEAT!! Try and stay as submerged as possible.

This bath is great for those with skin problems such as eczema or acne. It's fanatastic for those who have dry, itchy skin conditions. It also helps edema/swelling. It's a great bath for those who have too much sodium in their body, as the high potassium content of the ACV is an antonist for sodium.

After 10-30 minutes take a freezing cold shower for 1 minute, or however long it takes for you to cool down. This is essential! (Please read health notes below).


VARIATIONS:

**If you can, skin brush before getting into the bath - this starts lymphatic movement and will help you detoxify more.

**If you're really brave and want to open up your pores more, take 50mg of Niacin B3 (you MUST get the flush version). Take this on an empty stomach 10 minutes before getting into the bath. Your body will flush red and you will feel your skin is prickly, the sensation should last 30-60 minutes, but this is a really powerful way to sweat and open up your pores for more efficient detoxification. You can combine this with skin brushing.

** You can add some kelp as minerals if you have skin problems (but you'll stink!!)

** you can also add oregano oil, cayenne pepper, ginger powder ... all are wonderful at creating more sweat and heat.

** You can spray your body (avoid eyes) a few minutes before and staright after the bath with 3% Hydrogen peroxide, and that will help to alkalize you even more


For those who do not have a bath at home, you have options of doing alkalizing foot baths or alkalizing showers.


GENERAL KEY HEALTH NOTES:

**Make sure you're well hydrated before the bath, also take a herbal tea into the bathroom with you and sip whilst bathing. I like to take ginger and lemon, peppermint, elderberry or dandelion.

** If you are extremely ill and weak, these baths can feel exhausting. Please make sure someone is around should you need to get some help out of the bath! Only stay in the bath as long as you can take it, if that means starting with 5 or 10 minutes, go for it! Alternatively, just try alkalizing foot baths to begin with.

**The hydrogen peroxide supplies the Extra Oxygen which is needed by the body for the Electrical charges.

** Baking Soda is called Bicarbonate of soda or Sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3). The Baking soda provides extra Sodium in the water which may help neutralise the excess acids which the Epsom Salts pulls out of the body among other things, so helping the body to heal much faster.

**These detox baths cause the body to get rid of Toxins through Sweating through the pores, and it is essential that the water is very warm/hot and can stay that way through out the duration of bathing. It is the heat of the hot water which causes the Acidic Nitrogen Isotope to be drawn out of the body.

**The reason people feel so exhausted after soaking is because of the amount of acids which have been released from your body fats, into your Lymphatic system on their way to be eliminated out through your skin pores. The Acids which would be causing the most problem may be the Nitrogen Acid Isotope along with any other toxins, which is the reason for taking the cold shower afterwards, yet you only need to shower cold, long enough to take the heat out of your skin on the outer body! Taking this cold shower afterwards, stops the release of any more acids so you may recover from having too many acids to overload the Lymphatic system, which may cause one to feel poorly, if the acid release isn't stopped. Everything should be done in cycles, so the body may recover. Release some acids and allow the body to dispose of them and relax for a while and start the cycle over again.

**You can do these baths as often as daily, but that may be too much for some.

**People are cautioned to start out slow at first. Also to make the point clear about the cold shower after wards, the importance of this cold shower, is it may help throw the body to the Alkaline side, if done properly and you have not caused too many Toxins and Acids to be released into the Lymphatic system. In other wards, if one does the Hot bath and then does not take the cold shower, then this allows the body to remain too acidic! The cold shower is very important in the end of the process or the body may be more acidic than in the beginning from all the Toxins and Acids which may have been released into the Lymphatic system!

**Should you find you feel worse, (like having flu like symptoms) you may help yourself temporarily by taking one full Tablespoonful of Baking Soda in an 8oz glass of water and drinking this over a 30 minuite time period, not sooner! This may help correct the imbalance of your ratios between the Sodium and Potassium which you may suffering from. This may help neutralise the excess acids temporaily plus correct the sodium to potassium ratio

.................

[BloodyShaft]

In response to SIFs semi-medical advice

And how would anyone even be able to describe this process you so "simplify" into laymans terms w/o the use of science and the medical field??

W/O the advent of Medicine through science you would not even have access to this "info" you are quick to sight, yet you seem to alienate them by your discrediting of their work.

I'm not even going to exact quote the post on page wtf ever, but you did criticize someones wife about being a cancer surgeon....and all she ever did was remove the cancer, what did she do to prevent it .....or something to that effect in general. I find it hard to believe someone out there actually could think what surgeons do to be so monetarily driven. Yes they make money (and damn good) for what they do, but to question if they have actually "healed somebody" or for any of us for that matter IS absolutely asinine .

If you were so righteous as a healer, then why not get a medical degree and practice homeopathic medicine as an actual doctor? I just feel these people actually deserve a little more respect than you seem to be willing to give.

I won't try to stick up for all medical professionals, but do you realize you discredit those people whom without their studies and persistence (throughout many centuries), your claims wouldn't have any basis anyways?

All I can imagine is if everyone took this type of advice (as in all those who are ill) then the hospitals and docs would actually get even more business in the long run.

This thread reminds me of a "Born again" meets "Tree Hugger" w/ a little bit of PETA thrown in..............

[BloodyShaft]

This thread reminds me of a "Born again" meets "Tree Hugger" w/ a little bit of PETA thrown in..............

And when I say this, I mean "well you know" meets "hates the system" w/ a little bit of "hates everything" thrown in................
:rolleyes:

[Gamble]

I really wish all the energy that went into this enlightining thread was used to email our public officials regarding the issues WE as spearos SHOULD be worrying about!! :mad:

[stickitfishy]

In response to SIFs semi-medical advice

And how would anyone even be able to describe this process you so "simplify" into laymans terms w/o the use of science and the medical field??

W/O the advent of Medicine through science you would not even have access to this "info" you are quick to sight, yet you seem to alienate them by your discrediting of their work.

I'm not even going to exact quote the post on page wtf ever, but you did criticize someones wife about being a cancer surgeon....and all she ever did was remove the cancer, what did she do to prevent it .....or something to that effect in general. I find it hard to believe someone out there actually could think what surgeons do to be so monetarily driven. Yes they make money (and damn good) for what they do, but to question if they have actually "healed somebody" or for any of us for that matter IS absolutely asinine .

If you were so righteous as a healer, then why not get a medical degree and practice homeopathic medicine as an actual doctor? I just feel these people actually deserve a little more respect than you seem to be willing to give.

I won't try to stick up for all medical professionals, but do you realize you discredit those people whom without their studies and persistence (throughout many centuries), your claims wouldn't have any basis anyways?

All I can imagine is if everyone took this type of advice (as in all those who are ill) then the hospitals and docs would actually get even more business in the long run.

This thread reminds me of a "Born again" meets "Tree Hugger" w/ a little bit of PETA thrown in..............

I give respect to those that earn it, period. I can't think of one thing that doctors have done to me that is good, not one. From prescribing antibiotics for everything to cutting out my tonsils to overdosing me once, none of it had to happen and it all has had consequences. And as far as surgeons being monetarily driven, mmm yeah. There are other options besides surgery, but like you the medical community doesn't listen to them, no profit in it.

[BloodyShaft]

So what would you have "prescribed" for my severed ACL, PCL, and LCL in my knee? Nothing but surgery would have fixed it my foolish friend.

My point is contrary to your belief, I believe there is still some good in humanity and the medical field is included in that. I feel despite the people in this world who do things nothing for money, the vast majority of people are truly trying to help each other.

So who is truly to blame for your poor health in the first place?

Your way of phrasing "when we were dieing" is truly disturbing. BTW, we are all dieing one day at a time, like it or not.

I'm out of this thread, now some of these other threads where people treated you "differently" are starting to make sense.

BS-OUT.

[stickitfishy]

And when I say this, I mean "well you know" meets "hates the system" w/ a little bit of "hates everything" thrown in................
:rolleyes:

I don't hate everything. I hate lies, liars and unethical behavior. Okay, well that is alot now isn't it.

[stickitfishy]

So what would you have "prescribed" for my severed ACL, PCL, and LCL in my knee? Nothing but surgery would have fixed it my foolish friend.

My point is contrary to your belief, I believe there is still some good in humanity and the medical field is included in that. I feel despite the people in this world who do things nothing for money, the vast majority of people are truly trying to help each other.

So who is truly to blame for your poor health in the first place?

Your way of phrasing "when we were dieing" is truly disturbing. BTW, we are all dieing one day at a time, like it or not.

I'm out of this thread, now some of these other threads where people treated you "differently" are starting to make sense.

BS-OUT.

We were dieing, do you need an explanation for everything? Read the thread. When you have several diseases overtaking your body and your immune sytem is not working, when you sleep 15-16 hours a day and are still tired and when you can't remember what you were doing so much that you can't get anything accomplished, when certain smells make your IQ instantly drop, you are dieing. There is more but you are a waste of my time. Why is everything black and white to so many of you, f-ing why? You severed your ligaments you probably needed surgery. If I was crushed in an accident, I would probably need surgery. I didn't say there was anything wrong with emergency surgery did I? But there is something wrong with cutting out a cancer and not doing anything to change the diseased state the body was in to get cancer in the first place. Because the cancer will come back. Cancer is just a symptom of a diseased state.

[stickitfishy]

The people responsible for my health deteriorating are the ones that had toxic mold all over the store I was working in and did nothing about it. The mold ravaged my immune sytem allowing me to acquire new problems and letting problems my immune system was keeping in check, get out of control. I have eaten better and exercised more than most, for years. If everyday you went to work for 1.5 years and you were inhaling,ingesting and absorbing poisons unknowingly, you may just get a little sick to.

[jackpine savage]

Stickit-Since you plan on becoming an electrician and you seem to have chemical sensitivity among other ailments I would be careful as to the exact type of jobs you pick up. Construction sites, especially commercial are not the cleanest places to be working. You should definitely look into what you may be exposed to before taking on a job.

[stickitfishy]

Stickit-Since you plan on becoming an electrician and you seem to have chemical sensitivity among other ailments I would be careful as to the exact type of jobs you pick up. Construction sites, especially commercial are not the cleanest places to be working. You should definitely look into what you may be exposed to before taking on a job.

I realize this, but I have defeated my chemical sensitivity 95 %. I worry about remodels and exposure to mold in the walls and attics though.

[jackpine savage]

you will be spending a lot of time in attics and crawl spaces if you do residential

[junior]

What about EMFs and leukemia? What are your feelings on sunscreen, deodorant and tap water?

Why is this thread in the politics/religion forum?

[stickitfishy]

you will be spending a lot of time in attics and crawl spaces if you do residential

Not a problem in new construction, could be in remodel work. Not totally sure what we are going to do yet. If we do get accepted to an apprenticeship in CA we will transfer out there and we may just stay journeyman. The pay and benefits out there is outstanding. If we stay here in FL, we will most likely go into biz or we will travel to make $$. The wage and benefits here suck!

[stickitfishy]

What about EMFs and leukemia? What are your feelings on sunscreen, deodorant and tap water?

Why is this thread in the politics/religion forum?


I don't know about EMF's and leukemia. I know the body runs on electricity through chemical reactions and that outside forces could F it up I'm sure.

Sunscreen - No comment. I really don't want to get into it here.

Deodorant - If it has aluminum in it and it probably does, it is not good for you. There are better solutions. Colloidal silver or Coconut oil works just as good or beter without the side effects but it is not as convenient as a deodorant stick.

Tap water - I don't drink it. Shower in it and bathe in it unfortunately. I think there are better ways to treat the drinking supply than with know poisons such as flourine and chlorine. Sure they may be okay in small quantities for most, but how about someone whose body does not eliminate these poisons efficiently. I guess they are just f-d.

The reason this is in this forum is because I was bashed in the helathcare thread, it was closed and I figured I could respond here and it would be seen by my bashers for sure. It worked.

[Mikerotch]

Stickit, I must admit. Anyone who would take the time to write such a long piece obviously believes in what he is saying. To be quite honest, having studied at length some of the issues you write about, I sincerely believe that at least the majority of what you say is, at a minimum, based in sound science. (Not necessarily sound to many modern M.D.'s) With that being said, have you ever read of, or seen a case of a type 1 diabetic being cured ? I have not, outside of a pancreatic transplant, which I don't care for at all. I'm certain that your prescriptions, along with a correct diet, (not what the FDA suggests) and exercise (proper) and weight loss would be 100 % effective for a type 2 diabetic, but I must admit that on the surface I can't see anything dealing with the "autoimmune" portion of the type 1 disease. I have, for the record, been a long time advocate of raising the alkilinity of the body. I began taking coral calcium and vitamin D supplements a few years ago, on a whim, based on an "infomercial" and found the results amazing. Be they physical or mental, ( I don't care) I haven't had a cold in 4-5 years and I used to get them a minimum of 5 times per year. Headaches are almost a thing of the past, and I haven't had an antacid in 4-5 years. All that to say, I'm not opposed to trying anything that I'm sure won't hurt me, but do you know of a single case of a confirmed type 1 diabetic who has been cured ? By the way, thanks for the exhaustive response, I was quite surprised.

Mikerotch, rather be a nondiabetic