Democrat Gropes Paige

[bgbill]

Democratic Senator Dan Sutton from South Dakotoa is accused of groping an 18 year old male page.

Says "bed Sharing wasn't wrong"

http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=13453&Category=10

PIERRE, S.D. (AP) – A state senator accused of groping a legislative page testified Wednesday that the 18-year-old was like a relative, that he saw nothing wrong with sharing a motel bed with him and that the teenager fabricated his accusation.

The Senate has accused Sen. Dan Sutton of sexual misconduct last February with the page. Sutton was questioned this week before a Senate special committee investigating the accusation.

Asked whether he thought it was appropriate to climb into bed with Austin Wiese, Sutton responded that the page “was like a nephew or a son to me and my wife. I had no concern.”

And that’s where it ended, Sutton said.

“I didn’t do anything,” he said twice.

While it is The Associated Press’ policy not to identify people who say they are the victims of sexual assault, Wiese’s name was used in the Senate committee’s public hearing, which was carried live on the Internet, and has been circulated by other media in the state.

Wiese, now 19, was not present for Sutton’s testimony.

Wiese told the Senate committee that Sutton touched his genitals on the motel bed.

The alleged incident took place as Wiese was starting a stint as a page for the 2006 Legislature.

Sutton said Wiese made it up – possibly because of his father’s political ambitions or a failed business venture. Wiese’s father, Dennis Wiese, lost the Democratic nomination for governor last year.

Sutton testified that his family and Wiese’s family had been friends for years.

He said that after talking with Wiese’s parents, he told Austin Wiese he could stay with him in his motel room, where there was a bed and a sofa bed.

On Feb. 5, the two watched the Super Bowl and worked out, and Wiese climbed into the bed, Sutton testified.

Sutton said he did not pull out the sofa bed because Wiese already was asleep.

Sutton, a Democrat from Flandreau, could be censured, disciplined or expelled when the full Senate votes Jan. 31.

The Senate Voted for Censure today, which means nothing, why is it when a Republican is accused of harassing a paige, it is a big deal, yet when a Democrat Gropes a Paige or has sex with an under age paige it is no big deal?

[jackpine savage]

Bret the S. D Senate is 20 Republican to 15 Democrats. Guessing thaat Sutton probably didnt vote that is a strong GOP majority. If you have problems with the way they voted blame the GOP. I think the guy should be kicked out of office. He is a disgrace but so are those Republicans who didn't kick him out.

[chuam]

Bret the S. D Senate is 20 Republican to 15 Democrats. Guessing thaat Sutton probably didnt vote that is a strong GOP majority. If you have problems with the way they voted blame the GOP. I think the guy should be kicked out of office. He is a disgrace but so are those Republicans who didn't kick him out.

:stupid:

[bgbill]

Bret the S. D Senate is 20 Republican to 15 Democrats. Guessing thaat Sutton probably didnt vote that is a strong GOP majority. If you have problems with the way they voted blame the GOP. I think the guy should be kicked out of office. He is a disgrace but so are those Republicans who didn't kick him out.

Foley (r) who harrassed a paige, but did not grope him, at least had enough decency to step down, why can't Sutton do the same thing?

Should the Republicans be forced to clean up another Democratic mess?

Also why isn't the Sutton (d) case all over the news like the Foley (r) case was?

[jackpine savage]

I think he should be thrown out, why let him step down. Not on news because its South Dakota, only 12 people live there. By the way SD is run by GOP in Senate, they should have voted the right way.

[bikewrench]

This looks to me like a case of "he said, she said". The senator denies anything happend. The Foley case was clear, with electronic evidence against him. He was guilty, he got caught so he stepped down. Has nothing to do with political affiliation, stop whining.

[bgbill]

This looks to me a case of "he said, she said" The senator denies anything happend. The Foley case was clear, with electronic evidence against him. He was guilty, he got caught so he stepped down. Has nothing to do with political affiliation, stop whining.

What about the guy from illinois who had sex with a paige? :rolleyes:


He recieved a standing ovation after he admitted to it, the standinig "O" was not for boning the chick though.

I am in no way sticking up for Foley, but he was never accused of groping a paige or even shared a bed with a paige, does this guy sutton think he is Michael Jackson?

[Freedro]

Take it easy, Bret. It's nothing more than sex between two consenting adult males. You know, normal Democrat sexual behavior.

[biggsy]

Take it easy, Bret. It's nothing more than sex between two consenting adult males. You know, normal Democrat sexual behavior. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[bgbill]

Take it easy, Bret. It's nothing more than sex between two consenting adult males. You know, normal Democrat sexual behavior.

:rofl:

[bikewrench]

Take it easy, Bret. It's nothing more than sex between two consenting adult males. You know, normal Democrat sexual behavior.
Wow! That's funny- if you're in 7th grade.

[bikewrench]

What about the guy from illinois who had sex with a paige? :rolleyes:


He recieved a standing ovation after he admitted to it, the standinig "O" was not for boning the chick though.


Who the hell is that? Stick with one at a time bill. Start a new post for him.

[bgbill]

Wow! That's funny- if you're in 7th grade.

I take it you are a Democrat. :D

[Freedro]

Wow! That's funny- if you're in 7th grade.
Or if you're an adult who still plays with male action figures.

[bikewrench]

I take it you are a Democrat. :D
Well I did vote for Clinton, but he was into females. Same thing for all the Kenedys, chicks all the way. :thumps:

[bikewrench]

Or if you're an adult who still plays with male action figures.
Sorry, I guess my point went over your head. What I meant was your joke was stupid, not funny, and demonstrably false.

[bgbill]

Well I did vote for Clinton, but he was into females. Same thing for all the Kenedys, chicks all the way. :thumps:

At least Clinton just used a cigar on monica and blew his load all over her dress, instead of driving her over a bridge.

How many women have the Kennedy's killed now?

By my count it is 4, but I am sure I am leaving some out.

[bgbill]

Sorry, I guess my point went over your head. What I meant was your joke was stupid, not funny, and demonstrably false.

I disagree, I don't think what he said was a joke, but it certainly was funny and to a certain extent true.

[bikewrench]

I disagree,
Of course you do, that's why you started this thread in the first place.

[bgbill]

bikewrench,

How many women have the Kennedy's killed?

[bikewrench]

I don't have clue one. What does that have to do with the price of fish in France?

[Freedro]

My work is done here. You, Captain Rock, and GI Joe have fun molesting the furry forest creaures. :bolt:

[bikewrench]

My work is done here. You, Captain Rock, and GI Joe have fun molesting the furry forest creaures. :bolt:
Bye.

[bgbill]

I don't have clue one. What does that have to do with the price of fish in France?

Mary Joe Kopechne was left to die in a submerged automobile by Ted Kennedy July 19, 1969, yet the people of Massachusets keep re elcting him.

Michael Skakel is serving a 20 year prison sentence for killing Martha Moxley in 1975.

John F. Kennedy Junior killed his wife and sister in law, when he recklessly flew his plane when he was not qualified for IFR.

That is where I come up with 4.

Those Kennedy's sure are a great bunch of people aren't they? :rolleyes:

[chuam]

Mary Joe Kopechne was left to die in a submerged automobile by Ted Kennedy July 19, 1969, yet the people of Massachusets keep re elcting him.

Michael Skakel is serving a 20 year prison sentence for killing Martha Moxley in 1975.

John F. Kennedy Junior killed his wife and sister in law, when he recklessly flew his plane when he was not qualified for IFR.

That is where I come up with 4.

Those Kennedy's sure are a great bunch of people aren't they? :rolleyes:

The first two I'll give you. JFK Jr. you can't count. As a pilot I have known too many repub doctors and lawyers who have killed themselves in planes. This is usually a case of too much ego and not enough sense.

JFK jr and his wife and sister-in-laws death was tragic and an accident. The other two deaths are open game.

[bikewrench]

Mary Joe Kopechne was left to die in a submerged automobile by Ted Kennedy July 19, 1969, yet the people of Massachusets keep re elcting him.

Michael Skakel is serving a 20 year prison sentence for killing Martha Moxley in 1975.

John F. Kennedy Junior killed his wife and sister in law, when he recklessly flew his plane when he was not qualified for IFR.

That is where I come up with 4.

Those Kennedy's sure are a great bunch of people aren't they? :rolleyes:
Yeah, ok bill. So, looks like one unpunished manslaughter, one possible real murder by a fringe cousin, and a tragic accident. We'll have to agree to disagree bill, but I think you're stretching a bit here. Whatever, either way you are a bit off topic now.

[bgbill]

Yeah, ok bill. So, looks like one unpunished manslaughter

On Ted Kennedy, I just can not understand why he keeps getting re elected, can you explain that one to me?

[bgbill]

The first two I'll give you. JFK Jr. you can't count. As a pilot I have known too many repub doctors and lawyers who have killed themselves in planes. This is usually a case of too much ego and not enough sense.

JFK jr and his wife and sister-in-laws death was tragic and an accident. The other two deaths are open game.

JFK Jr. was only VFR flight rated, yet he flew when he should have been IFR rated.

That was careless and reckless, and unfortunately his wife and sister in law paid the price for his stupidity, but since he is a Kennedy, he gets a free pass.

[bikewrench]

On Ted Kennedy, I just can not understand why he keeps getting re elected, can you explain that one to me?
Actually no I can't. I am no fan of him. You know full well that as a group, most politicians are dirtbags. That's the way our system works. You know the old saying, "How do you know when a politician is lying? His lips are moving."

[bikewrench]

JFK Jr. was only VFR flight rated, yet he flew when he should have been IFR rated.

That was careless and reckless, and unfortunately his wife and sister in law paid the price for his stupidity, but since he is a Kennedy, he gets a free pass.
I do not know the results of that investigation and I doubt you do either, although I see you think you do. Probably based on info from Rush, maybe? The guy crashed his plane and everyone on board, including him, died. To suggest that that is some sort of murder is assinine, give it up.

[biggsy]

That was careless and reckless, and unfortunately his wife and sister in law paid the price for his stupidity, but since he is a Kennedy, he gets a free pass. Come on now...he paid with his life, what more do you want to do? Dig up his corpse and set it on fire so that all those that decide to fly when they are not properly rated to fly under certain conditions will learn their lesson...

Sure two innocent people died, but no one forced them onto the plane.

What more would you like to see done so he does not get a free pass?

[bikewrench]

JFK Jr. was only VFR flight rated, yet he flew when he should have been IFR rated.

That was careless and reckless
As I remember it, he took off in vfr conditions and then encountered ifr conditions. Unlucky for sure, illegal? I don't think so.

[Freedro]

Bret, you are so out of touch. All of those things were accidents. You can't just expect people to take responsibility for their own actions, can you? That is a foreign concept to a Democrat. They'll understand that concept when Rosie O'Donnell is blowing Donald Trump.

[bikewrench]

Come on now...he paid with his life, what more do you want to do? Dig up his corpse and set it on fire so that all those that decide to fly when they are not properly rated to fly under certain conditions will learn their lesson...

Sure two innocent people died, but no one forced them onto the plane.

What more would you like to see done so he does not get a free pass?
It's ok, you are right but bill just wants to fight a little so I am obliging him.

[bgbill]

Come on now...he paid with his life, what more do you want to do? Dig up his corpse and set it on fire so that all those that decide to fly when they are not properly rated to fly under certain conditions will learn their lesson...

It would be hard to dig up his corpse, after they spent a bunch of money and time finding his body (putting many Navy divers lives at risk), the next day they buried him at sea.

What is the point of finding him, if they were just going to dump him back in the sea?

My point was that he has been regarded as some kind of hero because he is (was) a Kennedy.

[bikewrench]

Bret, you are so out of touch. All of those things were accidents. You can't just expect people to take responsibility for their own actions, can you? That is a foreign concept to a Democrat. They'll understand that concept when Rosie O'Donnell is blowing Donald Trump.
Didn't you go away?

[bikewrench]

It would be hard to dig up his corpse, after they spent a bunch of money and time finding his body (putting many Navy divers lives at risk), the next day they buried him at sea.

What is the point of finding him, if they were just going to dump him back in the sea?

My point was that he has been regarded as some kind of hero because he is (was) a Kennedy.
:lol: dude you are soooo far out there! I'm having a blast. Who, exactly, considers him a hero?

[bgbill]

One good thing about Ted kennedy was awhile back there was a picture of him on a boat drilling a girl (which is pretty unusual for a democrat), and Senator Heflin (I think) said, "I can see by these pictures that Ted Kennedy sure has changed his position of offshore drilling"

[bgbill]

:lol: dude you are soooo far out there! I'm having a blast. Who, exactly, considers him a hero?


Democrats? :confused:

Rosie Odonnel? :confused:

[bikewrench]

"I can see by these pictures that Ted Kennedy sure has changed his position of offshore drilling"
That's funny! Do you have a Kennedy scrapbook or something?

[bikewrench]

Democrats? :confused:

Rosie Odonnel? :confused:
Rosie thinks JFK Jr. is a hero? Which tabloid wrote that?

[riplipper]

They'll understand that concept when Rosie O'Donnell is blowing Donald Trump.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: now thats funny dude

[bikewrench]

Seriously, where do you get these ideas?

[bgbill]

Rosie thinks JFK Jr. is a hero? Which tabloid wrote that?


I guess you have never heard the blowhard dike talk about how great he was.

[bikewrench]

Maybe stickitfishy thinks being a democrat can be cured by colliodal silver?

[bikewrench]

I guess you have never heard the blowhard dike talk about how great he was.
Sorry, I am not familiar with any of the writings of Ms. O'donnel.

[bgbill]

Sorry, I am not familiar with any of the writings of Ms. O'donnel.

I guess you don't remember the non stop media coverage of when he died, and the makeshift memorial that thousands of people stopped by to drop off flowers, candles and other stuff at their manhattan apartment.

[bikewrench]

I guess you don't remember the non stop media coverage of when he died, and the makeshift memorial that thousands of people stopped by to drop off flowers, candles and other stuff at their manhattan apartment.
There is non stop media coverage when lots of people die. There are candle and teddy bear memorials when lots of people die. Why are you so hung up on JFK Jr? Who cares? And as far as navy divers go those guys couldn't get here fast enough. They don't give a shit who they are looking for they just want to go looking, that is what they do. Its called training and it is always better when its real.
Keep it coming bill or give it up.

[bikewrench]

Nice job bill, that was fun. Goodnight.

[bgbill]

We can't forget about Ted leaving Mary Joe in the car to die, here is his original statement to the police.

The following is the written statement given by Ted Kennedy to Police Chief Dominick Arena on the morning of July19,1969. Throughout the legal proceedings, the Senator stuck to this version of events despite contradictory evidence and witness testimony. Perhaps as important as the inaccuracies within the statement is the fact that so many important details are conspicuously absent.

"On July 18, 1969, at approximately 11:15 PM in Chappaquiddick, Martha's Vinyard, Massachusetts, I was driving my car on Main Street on my way to get the ferry back to Edgartown. I was unfamiliar with the road and turned right onto Dike Road, instead of bearing hard left on Main Street. After proceeding for approximately one-half mile on Dike Road I descended a hill and came upon a narrow bridge. The car went off the side of the bridge. There was one passenger with me, one Miss Mary ( Kennedy was not sure of the spelling of the dead girl's last name, and offered a rough phonetic approximation ), a former secretary of my brother Sen. Robert Kennedy. The car turned over and sank into the water and landed with the roof resting on the bottom. I attempted to open the door and the window of the car but have no recolection of how I got out of the car. I came to the surface and then repeatedly dove down to the car in an attempt to see if the passenger was still in the car. I was unsuccessful in the attempt. I was exhausted and in a state of shock. I recall walking back to where my friends were eating. There was a car parked in front of the cottage and I climbed into the back seat. I then asked for someone to bring me back to Edgartown. I remember walking around for a period of time and then going back to my hotel room. When I fully realized what had happened this morning, I immediately contacted the police."

[The Collector]

I do not know the results of that investigation and I doubt you do either, although I see you think you do. Probably based on info from Rush, maybe? The guy crashed his plane and everyone on board, including him, died. To suggest that that is some sort of murder is assinine, give it up.

If he was drunk and killed 20 kids would you feel differently?

I am a pilot, it is an immense responsibility any time anyone gets in that small plane with you and it is ALL YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, PERIOD.

I have read the results of the NTSB investigation and he used terrible judgment, and ignored sound advice from several people including his own instructor, kinda like getting drunk and drag racing in school zones.

I cannot remember how many times I used to drive or cancel a trip because there was a chance something might not work as planned. It is just what you do.

While he cannot be dug up and burned (since he was buried at sea), the only tragedy was his wife & her sister who trusted him also had to die.

[elCajuna Grande]

Probably based on info from Rush,

here we go...
why always the pat response?

[junior]

This thread sucks...

[chuam]

here we go...
why always the pat response?

It's our response to must be a commie or did Hillary tell you that?

Both are insulting and it would be nice if we could have debates without always going for the lowest form of argument, insults based on views.

The country is completely divided because both political parties have polarized everyone. We can't even have a debate on here any more without slinging the commie/left wing pinko or fascist/right wing/fundie zealot.

The problem is we are all lumping each other in with the worst examples of the respective parties.

[jackpine savage]

What does groping pages have to do with the Kennedys. Christ fat Ted cant even see his shoes, you think he can grope a page. The damn guy has gator arms for christsake. Bret, admit it you want to be a Kennedy and you are just lashing out. :D :D

[Steel Shootin']

This thread sucks...

Major understatement.....

The people that like to scream "Democrats bad, Republicans good" (or vice-versa) or engage in some stereotypical dialogue that represents a canned understanding of what each political party is about (likely gleaned from years of hearing their Dad bitch about the Democrats or Republicans) are kool-aid drinkers who need to come up with an original thought from time to time.

Let's review:

1. There are both Democrats and Republicans in office that are gay and/or pedophiles and/or gay-pedophiles.

2. There are both Democrats and Republians in office who are raging alcoholics and/or serious drug addicts.

3. There are both Democrats and Republicans in office who engage in graft and corruption;

4. Both Democrats and Republicans will do anything in their power to convince you that they represent your best interests, and that the other party is bad for America. Amazingly, some people actually buy this. They are quite easy to spot, as they are the ones that make retarded general statements about the "other" party.

5. And, on a more positive note, there are both Republicans and Democrats in office who are outstanding Americans and want what is best for the County.

[Steel Shootin']

Foley (r) who harrassed a paige, but did not grope him, at least had enough decency to step down ....

Not true. Foley's stepping down had absolutely nothing to do with "decency." Folely stepped down because the writing was on the wall, they had the evidence against him, he was under tremendous pressure from his own party to step down due to damage it could cause in the general elections, and, last but not least, as a matter of strategy (i.e., the blame game...."I am an alcoholic and was molested by a priest....it's not my fault). These are a lot of different reasons, none of which have anything remotely to do with "decency."


Should the Republicans be forced to clean up another Democratic mess?


C'mon Bret, what are you talking about? The Republicans have controlled the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial Branches for years, until the recent shift at the Federal level. Any "mess" that needs cleaning was caused while the Republicans in charge. Also, making references that go back to the 1960s (Chappaquiddick) have nothing to do with the status quo. Bottom line, for every Republican I can name who has disgraced himself, you can name a Democrat. How does that prove that one party is better than the other? It's silly and a waste of time.


Also why isn't the Sutton (d) case all over the news like the Foley (r) case was?

I am not that familiar with the story, but my best guess would be:

1. It is a state senator, not a member of the U.S. Congress, which makes it more of a local than national story;

2. It is being dealth with, and there are no allegations of a cover-up within his own party (although you may not like the remedy),

3. The timing. It was not done at the height of election season, and

4. The story involves a single allegation, and does not have the same sordid facts of the Foley case (transcripts of chats, a victim who is a minor, etc.)

[chuam]

Not true. Foley's stepping down had absolutely nothing to do with "decency." Folely stepped down because the writing was on the wall, they had the evidence against him, he was under tremendous pressure from his own party to step down due to damage it could cause in the general elections, and, last but not least, as a matter of strategy (i.e., the blame game...."I am an alcoholic and was molested by a priest....it's not my fault). These are a lot of different reasons, none of which have anything remotely to do with "decency."



C'mon Bret, what are you talking about? The Republicans have controlled the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial Branches for years, until the recent shift at the Federal level. Any "mess" that needs cleaning was caused while the Republicans in charge. Also, making references that go back to the 1960s (Chappaquiddick) have nothing to do with the status quo. Bottom line, for every Republican I can name who has disgraced himself, you can name a Democrat. How does that prove that one party is better than the other? It's silly and a waste of time.



I am not that familiar with the story, but my best guess would be:

1. It is a state senator, not a member of the U.S. Congress, which makes it more of a local than national story;

2. It is being dealth with, and there are no allegations of a cover-up within his own party (although you may not like the remedy),

3. The timing. It was not done at the height of election season, and

4. The story involves a single allegation, and does not have the same sordid facts of the Foley case (transcripts of chats, a victim who is a minor, etc.)

Damn, you're on a tear Scott. You helping fill in for Bill while he's on sabbatical?

[Steel Shootin']

Just giving my good friend Bret a hard time. I definitely don't think he is a kool-aid head. He thinks a lot of Repubs are a-holes, however, he thinks the Dems are bigger a-holes. I think he has issues with Senator Kennedy. :D

Me, I am just jaded as hell and don't trust any of them. But yeah, it would be nice if Bill would return so I could defer to him. :)

[bgbill]

Just giving my good friend Bret a hard time. I definitely don't think he is a kool-aid head. He thinks a lot of Repubs are a-holes, however, he thinks the Dems are bigger a-holes. I think he has issues with Senator Kennedy. :D

Me, I am just jaded as hell and don't trust any of them. But yeah, it would be nice if Bill would return so I could defer to him. :)

Scott,

You are right I do think republican politicians are assholes, I also think that democrat politicians are assholes, it is just that the democrats are better at it. :D

Ted Kennedy is an easy target, the people of massachusets keep re-electing him, and that is mainly because he is powerful because of how long he has been in office, it is a shame that a guy with his past has been in office for so long, the same goes for KKK Byrd on West Virginia.

Unfortunately the guys that would be good politicians do not run for office, there are exceptions to the rule, but they are few and far between.

It will be nice when Bill gets back, he will spice the place back up.