Growing in Grace

[DIVERTOM]

http://www.local6.com/news/11103400/detail.html

Why do the journalists give these kooks airtime? Here's a real nutcase with a
Eddy Munster hair cut. Hard to believe people are this gullable.

[bikewrench]

http://www.local6.com/news/11103400/detail.html

Why do the journalists give these kooks airtime? Here's a real nutcase with a
Eddy Munster hair cut. Hard to believe people are this gullable.
Why couldn't he be Jesus? We are told to expect him, how are we supposed to know when he actually comes?
On a related note... Titanic director James Cameron claims he has found Jesus' tomb and suggests that his discovery proves that Jesus was not resurected after all. Go see for yourself http://time-blog.com/middle_east/

[Bill McIntyre]

They'll be passing the Koolaid before long.

[teaknsteel]

So so sad.

[pantoja73]

That guy is making millions out of people's stupidity. What a shame, but I think it's ok as long as they think it's all right or if they feel happy about it.Sorry if I offend anyone with my comment.

[Gradyman]

Granola all the way...fruits, flakes & nuts.

[DIVERTOM]

This dude is the second coming of Eddy Munster! Wheres his wolf-wolf?
To think he's making big bucks tax free doing this crap. Whats up with his
followers getting tattoos. Thats absurd.

[gogators27]

Talk about sell your soul to the Devil, Satan is hard at work.

[mnguy]

I love how the religious folks all claim its a shame/hoax when this guy says he's Jesus come back to life. Who is to say this guy is or isn't Jesus?(I personally think he isn't but whatever) Seems to me like people are butthurt about it because this guy isn't a member of their particular religion.

Also, didn't Jesus get all sorts of flak and opposition from the Pharisees(ultra religious types) of his day for saying he was the messiah? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this like history repeating itself, regardless of the validity of this guy's claim?

[gogators27]

I love how the religious folks all claim its a shame/hoax when this guy says he's Jesus come back to life. Who is to say this guy is or isn't Jesus?(I personally think he isn't but whatever) Seems to me like people are butthurt about it because this guy isn't a member of their particular religion.

Also, didn't Jesus get all sorts of flak and opposition from the Pharisees(ultra religious types) of his day for saying he was the messiah? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this like history repeating itself, regardless of the validity of this guy's claim?

A small hint that he is not Jesus may be that he also claims to be the AntiChrist......

When Jesus Returns again, it will not be in a lowly manger, it will be a scene for all to behold, his second comming will not be as his first, all will know, and it will be suddenly, quite a bit of frear and trembling, ect, there will be no mistake about it when he comes for believers and unbelievers alike.

[Bill McIntyre]

When Jesus Returns again, it will not be in a lowly manger, it will be a scene for all to behold, his second comming will not be as his first, all will know, and it will be suddenly, quite a bit of frear and trembling, ect, there will be no mistake about it when he comes for believers and unbelievers alike.

Exactly how do we know that?

[gogators27]

Exactly how do we know that?

The scriptures tell us this, prophets tell us this, ask God yourself and his holy spirit will tell you as well.

Ultimately, Faith.... Faith that the scriptures are the truth, that the prophets who wrote them were of God and that the answers to our prayers are real, Ultimately faith.

[Christof]

Talk about sell your soul to the Devil, Satan is hard at work.
Not to simply piss you off, but come on, you believe some pretty way out there stuff on simple indoctrination and "faith".... You of course must make up your own decisions, but throwing stones when you live in a HUGE glass house is pretty ridiculous to some too....

[Christof]

The scriptures tell us this, prophets tell us this, ask God yourself and his holy spirit will tell you as well.

Those would be the scriptures that have been "interpreted", written, re-written, and so changed that they hardly resemble the original fragments from which they came....
What prophets? The ones that the above mentioned scriptures claim to be prophets, or the ones that your bible teacher taught you?

Spent most of my life asking God for guidance on many things, seems if he created the world with a thought he could pretty easily appear for a few seconds just to let me know he was listening...

I think the "Holy Spirit" that you refer to would be called "conscience" by most people... It's what seperates us from other animals and is hardly proof that God is talking to us... Another part of that is what many would refer to as "Common sense" which if used properly, negates much of what we are taught when it comes to religion... Maybe the common sense factor is God's way of really trying to tell us that most religions are FOS but the majority refuse to listen??

I am sure you and yours are really fine people, many religious folks are... But I would place the credit for that with you and your parents, their parents, and good moral upbringing, not the church.....

[Bill McIntyre]

The scriptures tell us this, prophets tell us this, ask God yourself and his holy spirit will tell you as well.

Ultimately, Faith.... Faith that the scriptures are the truth, that the prophets who wrote them were of God and that the answers to our prayers are real, Ultimately faith.

Faith is not sufficient basis for "knowing" something is going to happen, and how.

I was hearing a thing this morning about that Komodo Dragon lizard who recently experienced a virgin birth without every having been near a male. I forget the name of the process, but scientists have determined that female Komodos can provide both the female requirements and the male requirements and impregnate themselves.

Anyway, since we have another virgin birth, I was wondering if God decided that since the human race seems to have screwed up the first try, he would try it with lizards the second time around.

[gogators27]

Spent most of my life asking God for guidance on many things, seems if he created the world with a thought he could pretty easily appear for a few seconds just to let me know he was listening...


If god was to appear to you (when I say you I am not refering to you specifically christof, but somone that does not beleive in him generally) do you really think that would change anything? Your eyes can be decieved, all of your senses can be decieved, if you do not believe now you will probrably still not believe then either. If he talked to you, apeared to you, or even let you touch the wounds in his hands feet and side, you would probrably just explain it away, rationalize that it did not really happen.

Spiritual experiences, especially the witness of the holy ghost can not be faked, and if you have these experiences and then deny them what else can God do for you? He is protecting you, if he was to talk to you or show himself to you would be all the more worse off for having denyed what you had seen,heard, and felt.

[bikewrench]

Your eyes can be decieved, all of your senses can be decieved, if you do not believe now you will probrably still not believe then either. If he talked to you, apeared to you, or even let you touch the wounds in his hands feet and side, you would probrably just explain it away, rationalize that it did not really happen.

Let me get this straight. God can create the entire Universe, flood the Earth, dry the Earth, cause virgin birth, resurrect the dead, ect. but he lacks the power to prove to an agnostic that he is real?

[bikewrench]

I was hearing a thing this morning about that Komodo Dragon lizard who recently experienced a virgin birth without every having been near a male. I forget the name of the process, but scientists have determined that female Komodos can provide both the female requirements and the male requirements and impregnate themselves.

Parthenogenesis. Happens all the time, usually with plants and few animals such as some insects and some reptile species. I think the reason such a big deal was made with the Komodo is that just about anything that happens with a 300 pound man eating lizard is pretty interesting. Not evidence of God. No mammal species are known to do it, certainly not humans. But because of the way it works, if it did happen in humans, only females could be produced. So in the case of Jesus and the Virgin Mary, parthenogenesis can safely be ruled out.

[Queer for Spear]

http://www.local6.com/news/11103400/detail.html

Why do the journalists give these kooks airtime? Here's a real nutcase with a
Eddy Munster hair cut. Hard to believe people are this gullable.


Trust me....it is Jesus....forget the Kool-Aid....we drink Gatorade

[Queer for Spear]

If god was to appear to you (when I say you I am not refering to you specifically christof, but somone that does not beleive in him generally) do you really think that would change anything? Your eyes can be decieved, all of your senses can be decieved, if you do not believe now you will probrably still not believe then either. If he talked to you, apeared to you, or even let you touch the wounds in his hands feet and side, you would probrably just explain it away, rationalize that it did not really happen.

Spiritual experiences, especially the witness of the holy ghost can not be faked, and if you have these experiences and then deny them what else can God do for you? He is protecting you, if he was to talk to you or show himself to you would be all the more worse off for having denyed what you had seen,heard, and felt.

Sillyness.....but to each his own, .....thank SOMEBODY for the bill of rights......

[Queer for Spear]

The scriptures tell us this, prophets tell us this, ask God yourself and his holy spirit will tell you as well.

Ultimately, Faith.... Faith that the scriptures are the truth, that the prophets who wrote them were of God and that the answers to our prayers are real, Ultimately faith.



Oh myyy......the kool-aid has been passed around already !! Where was I ?....I was over in the wrong line trying to score a few cookies.........I find it rather ironic that you coldy spear gods creatures with impunity and reckless abandon....Heathen I say !!!.....Praise the lord !

Im not trying to pick a fight here, but drop the religious belief crap, its borderline preaching what your doing... I know you have rights and so do we, lets not turn this into a religous debate forum.

[Marcus]

When Jesus comes back will it be like a Rock and Roll tour? Laser lights, special effects, fireworks?
http://blogs.ipswitch.com/archives/rock%20concert.jpg

*Forefinger and pinkie extended* Rock on!

[mnguy]

Parthenogenesis. Happens all the time, usually with plants and few animals such as some insects and some reptile species. I think the reason such a big deal was made with the Komodo is that just about anything that happens with a 300 pound man eating lizard is pretty interesting. Not evidence of God. No mammal species are known to do it, certainly not humans. But because of the way it works, if it did happen in humans, only females could be produced. So in the case of Jesus and the Virgin Mary, parthenogenesis can safely be ruled out.

The most common parthenogenic creature is the commo house gecko. That is how they colonized the bulk of the islands around the world. They would hitch a ride on floating debris(what we would consider a nice FAD) and when they hit dry land they would start parthenogenerating to populate the island while they waited for the boys to float on over.

A small hint that he is not Jesus may be that he also claims to be the AntiChrist......

Well, Jesus does claim to be the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and End. Does he not? If such is the case, why couldn't Jesus be the Christ and the Anti-Christ at the same time? Certainly being the Christ and the Anti-Christ would be the Beginning as well as the End.

Im not trying to pick a fight here, but drop the religious belief crap, its borderline preaching what your doing... I know you have rights and so do we, lets not turn this into a religous debate forum.

It is the politics and religion section after all. It comes with the territory, just like rabid supporters of either major party in the US bickering about who sucks more when it turns out that their bipartisan system is what truly sucks the most.

[Mulloway]

"Faith is something people died for, whereas dogma is something people killed for."

can't remember who quoted this.

[mcjaret]

lets not turn this into a religous debate forum.

Actually, this IS the political and religious debate forum. Spearfishing is further up the page.

If scriptural accounts are to be belived, God hasn't had any trouble convincing people of his existence and position when he has chosen to do so. (e.g. Paul on road to Damascus; Moses and burning bush; Adam wandering around in fig leaves; etc.)

Thus, if he wanted to it would be no problem to drop by the house tonight and convince me or any of us of his existence and the consequences of poor behavior in the future. Would make life much simpler.

Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
My friends all drive Porsches,
I must make amends,
Worked hard all my lifetime,
No help from my friends,
Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?

[Bill McIntyre]

OmiGod! Emo Spearo has a rival for Poet Laureate of the board.

[Christof]

If god was to appear to you (when I say you I am not refering to you specifically christof, but somone that does not beleive in him generally) do you really think that would change anything? Your eyes can be decieved, all of your senses can be decieved, if you do not believe now you will probrably still not believe then either. If he talked to you, apeared to you, or even let you touch the wounds in his hands feet and side, you would probrably just explain it away, rationalize that it did not really happen.

Spiritual experiences, especially the witness of the holy ghost can not be faked, and if you have these experiences and then deny them what else can God do for you? He is protecting you, if he was to talk to you or show himself to you would be all the more worse off for having denyed what you had seen,heard, and felt.Please dont get me wrong. I admire folks like you that are moderate and religious.... No bad comes from that imho... I also am not an athiest by any means. I am a spiritual person deep down. I simply believe that organized religion has polluted and completely corrupted any truth that may be there for reasons of control and power. Just as the Pharisees of Christs time feared and condemned Christ out of fear of losing control of their people, the same holds true today.
I also am a born skeptic. I do not simply want to be told something by another person and take it for fact. Especially when it is something as important as "who are we and where do we come from"... I am just as skeptical of much of the evolution theory. A fragment of a skull does not constitute proof of a complete person or their life, yet evolution theorists will bill that model on conjecture and claim it as fact... Ego's and self-serving ideology on any front is suspect and dangerous...
I have studied most religions and found one thing in common with them all. They all work at controlling their followers, building their belief base, and increasing their wealth and influence..
Buddhists seem to be the least controlling of those I have studied, yet I am not a Buddhist...
Being a good person, following a simple set of rules common to mans well being, and helping rather than hurting others is a goal of mine, and I dont need religion to help me in achieving that..

I have to wonder if there were no religion at all in an organized fashion, would we be better off or worse? I dont think we will ever know...

BTW... Anyone know at what point Moses and the Torah, i.e., Judaism was started? I know that prior to release from Egypt, the Jews were like everyone else, worshiping multiple Gods.. Seems that while wondering around for 40 yrs they somehow developed their "official" faith and began writing things down.. I am wondering what is the difference between Moses and say Joseph Smith and his "revelation" and discovery of the holy tablets....

[mnguy]

Well, do any of the religious scholar types have any answer to my question? I'll requote it below to make it easier to spot out.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gogators27
A small hint that he is not Jesus may be that he also claims to be the AntiChrist......



Well, Jesus does claim to be the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and End. Does he not? If such is the case, why couldn't Jesus be the Christ and the Anti-Christ at the same time? Certainly being the Christ and the Anti-Christ would be the Beginning as well as the End.