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Mikerotch
02-26-2007, 12:37 PM
Below is a piece by U.S. Representative Ron Paul, Mikerotch's Hero. ( Have fun with him being the hero of Mikerotch ) His perspective is crystal clear, and I might add, quite refreshing coming from someone in Washington.

Mikerotch, Ron Paul Supporter



Hypocrisy in the Middle East


February 26, 2007

Hundreds of thousands of American troops already occupy Afghanistan and Iraq, a number that is rising as the military surge moves forward. The justification, given endlessly since September 11th, is that both support terrorism and thus pose a risk to the United States. Yet when we step back and examine the region as a whole, it’s obvious that these two impoverished countries, neither of which has any real military, pose very little threat to American national security when compared to other Middle Eastern nations. The decision to attack them, while treating some of region’s worst regimes as allies, shows the deadly hypocrisy of our foreign policy in the Middle East.

Consider Saudi Arabia, the native home of most of the September 11th hijackers. The Saudis, unlike the Iraqis, have proven connections to al Qaeda. Saudi charities have funneled money to Islamic terrorist groups. Yet the administration insists on calling Saudi Arabia a “good partner in the war on terror.” Why? Because the U.S. has a longstanding relationship with the Saudi royal family, and a long history of commercial interests relating to Saudi oil. So successive administrations continue to treat the Saudis as something they are not: a reliable and honest friend in the Middle East.

The same is true of Pakistan, where General Musharaf seized power by force in a 1999 coup. The Clinton administration quickly accepted his new leadership as legitimate, to the dismay of India and many Muslim Pakistanis. Since 9/11, we have showered Pakistan with millions in foreign aid, ostensibly in exchange for Musharaf’s allegiance against al Qaeda. Yet has our new ally rewarded our support? Hardly. The Pakistanis almost certainly have harbored bin Laden in their remote mountains, and show little interest in pursuing him or allowing anyone else to pursue him. Pakistan has signed peace agreements with Taliban leaders, and by some accounts bin Laden is a folk hero to many Pakistanis.

Furthermore, more members of al Qaeda probably live within Pakistan than any other country today. North Korea developed its nuclear capability with technology sold to them by the Pakistanis. Yet somehow we remain friends with Pakistan, while Saddam Hussein, who had no connection to bin Laden and no friends in the Islamic fundamentalist world, was made a scapegoat.

The tired assertion that America "supports democracy" in the Middle East is increasingly transparent. It was false 50 years ago, when we supported and funded the hated Shah of Iran to prevent nationalization of Iranian oil, and it’s false today when we back an unelected military dictator in Pakistan- just to name two examples. If honest democratic elections were held throughout the Middle East tomorrow, many countries would elect religious fundamentalist leaders hostile to the United States. Cliché or not, the Arab Street really doesn’t like America, so we should stop the charade about democracy and start pursuing a coherent foreign policy that serves America’s long-term interests.

A coherent foreign policy is based on the understanding that America is best served by not interfering in the deadly conflicts that define the Middle East. Yes, we need Middle Eastern oil, but we can reduce our need by exploring domestic sources. We should rid ourselves of the notion that we are at the mercy of the oil-producing countries- as the world’s largest oil consumer, their wealth depends on our business. We should stop the endless game of playing faction against faction, and recognize that buying allies doesn’t work. We should curtail the heavy militarization of the area by ending our disastrous foreign aid payments. We should stop propping up dictators and putting band-aids on festering problems. We should understand that our political and military involvement in the region creates far more problems that it solves. All Americans will benefit, both in terms of their safety and their pocketbooks, if we pursue a coherent, neutral foreign policy of non-interventionism, free trade, and self-determination in the Middle East.

Bill McIntyre
02-26-2007, 03:17 PM
Great piece! He nailed it.

Of course when you know you have no chance of winning the Presidency, it does give you a lot more freedom to speak truth, but I'm glad to hear it spoken.

Mikerotch
02-26-2007, 05:37 PM
Bill, he's been speaking the same things since the beginning. He is the only politician I know of who, in fact, puts principle before anything else. That fact alone will probably preclude him from any chance of a higher office. To be quite honest, I'm surprised he keeps winning his house seat, given the nature of today's political arena. Funny thing about him and his speaking ability. Because he only speaks truth, most sincere liberals and sincere conservatives have a hard time refuting anything he says. (or even trying)It's not as though he's in the middle, because most of what he says is not in between. It is truth, and truth, in my opinion, is seldom found in either party. In other words, what he says is usually radically different from the normal talking points of Republicans and Democrats. Although you and I are probably pretty far apart on some issues, at least all those you are wrong on :lol: , I honestly believe we agree on a lot more than you probably would guess. If you ever wonder where Mikerotch might be on an issue, simply look up Ron Paul's stance as I have yet to categorically disagree with him on anything. (With a couple of exceptions, where upon further review I determined I was wrong) Have a good evening, Bill. By the way, cute grandbaby. Damn fine mutations to turn out so cute.

Mikerotch, Ron Paul's Biggest Fan.

aaron proffitt
02-27-2007, 12:50 AM
Good read.

Bill McIntyre
02-27-2007, 10:08 AM
Bill, he's been speaking the same things since the beginning. He is the only politician I know of who, in fact, puts principle before anything else. That fact alone will probably preclude him from any chance of a higher office. To be quite honest, I'm surprised he keeps winning his house seat, given the nature of today's political arena.

This brings up the question- why don't all politicians tell the truth? Could it be because we won't elect them if they do? And then who's fault is it that we have the elected officials that we have?

I recall when Republican Senator Warren Rudman of New Hampshire announced that he would not run for reelection in 1992. He said that we needed to bring down the Federal deficit, and that if politicians were straight with people about steps that were necessary, they wouldn't get elected anyway and he was tired of bullshitting. He went on to be co-founder of the Concord Coalition, an anti-deficit organization.

When Fritz Mondale ran against Reagan in 1984, he had the guts to say that he would try to raise taxes if he won. He lost in one of the biggest landslides in history, taking only his home state of MN and maybe DC. The lesson was not lost on other politicians. No one will ever advocate raising taxes, even if it is really what is needed.

We get the government that we deserve.

Mikerotch
02-27-2007, 10:49 AM
I would be the first to say we reap what we sow. No doubt. With regard to Mondale, a thought that would have resonated with the voters better would have been to cut spending and cumbersome government programs, something that Reagan failed to do, resulting in the deficits Rudman spoke of. In my estimation, a return to only the constitutionally directed functions of the government results in a much better situation. (Greatly reduced taxes and regulations, and a return to the freedoms we once enjoyed). Without the funding, bureaucrats lose the authority over our lives they now enjoy and we foot the bill for. By default, our freedoms decrease as their assumed power increase. For example, I have no idea how many hours I spend filling out forms for the IRS, Department(s) of Labor, Department of Revenue, Osha, Etc., ad nauseum.

Mikerotch, Out Of Control Government Nonadvocate

Christof
02-27-2007, 11:14 AM
Pure truth when it comes to how FOS we are (and the sheep that believe the drivel) when it comes to our policy in the middle east.... Just seems to be who we are sleeping with at the time. Remember (as I have stated in the past), we were supplying Osama when he was killing our enemy.... We now want to attack Iran for no other purpose than to appease Israel. Remember when Saddam was our friend because he was at war with Iran?
The Saudi's need to be dealt with (if we are to deal with anyone at all) but it wont happen.... Evil is only evil when they arent padding your wallet...

Mikerotch
02-27-2007, 12:33 PM
Don't forget the Taliban was our buddy when the USSR was in Afghanistan as well. I grew up hating Iranians because of the "Hostage Crisis", but as I got older and researched the level of our involvement with regard to who ruled them (The Shaw) and how he came to power, their hatred of us made a lot more sense. (Not that I condone their taking of "diplomats" as hostages) One other thought with regard to Iraq/Iran. The latest justification of our presence has been to establish "democracy" in Iraq. In other words, "free" them to elect their own leaders. In Iran, that is exactly what they have done, but we don't like the results. Now, we may need to go to war to undo the results of "democracy". It is the proverbial dog chasing its tail.

Mikerotch, Opposed to Publicly Financed Tail Chasing