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Bill McIntyre
03-02-2007, 01:54 PM
I know a lot of you right wingers would never read the New York Times, and in particular Tom Friedman, but he has an interesting OpEd today saying that until Muslims speak out against suicide bombers killing other Muslims, that the situation in the Middle East will never change. Here is the link for those who want the whole thing.

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/02/opinion/02friedman.htm?hp

For those who don't, here is a rather sad and provocative poem that should be no offense to the right wing.


Occasionally an honest voice rises, giving you a glimmer of hope that others will stand up. The MEMRI translation Web site (memri.org) just posted a poem called “When,” from a Saudi author, Wajeha al-Huwaider, that was posted on Arab reform sites like www.aafaq.org.

When you cannot find a single garden in your city, but there is a mosque on every corner — you know that you are in an Arab country.

When you see people living in the past with all the trappings of modernity — do not be surprised, you are in an Arab country.

When religion has control over science — you can be sure that you are in an Arab country.

When clerics are referred to as “scholars” — don’t be astonished, you are in an Arab country.

When you see the ruler transformed into a demigod who never dies or relinquishes his power, and nobody is permitted to criticize — do not be too upset, you are in an Arab country.

When you find that the large majority of people oppose freedom and find joy in slavery — do not be too distressed, you are in an Arab country.

When you hear the clerics saying that democracy is heresy, but seizing every opportunity provided by democracy to grab high positions — do not be surprised, you are in an Arab country. ...

When you discover that a woman is worth half of what a man is worth, or less — do not be surprised, you are in an Arab country. ...

When land is more important than human beings — you are in an Arab country. ...

When fear constantly lives in the eyes of the people — you can be certain you are in an Arab country.”

DIVERTOM
03-04-2007, 06:00 AM
Why would a Muslim speak out when he would be marked for death doing
so? Maybe he could do so then hide or ask for asylum.

riplipper
03-04-2007, 09:42 AM
A while back there was a women news anchor who spoke out boldly about this topic on public TV.....I think she is still alive.....but then again the people who do these things most likely dont have a TV

mnguy
03-04-2007, 12:08 PM
I was watching the news yesterday and they said 6 sunnis were killed by other sunnis because they had participated in a sunni/shi'a peace conference.

If that doesn't say anything about the state of that country and the eventuality of things over there, I don't know what does. Whenever we get out of there, whether it be tomorrow or 20 years from now, the place is going to implode. I say lets get out of there and let them have at each other until one side gives up and let Allah sort them out.

Bill McIntyre
03-04-2007, 12:53 PM
If that doesn't say anything about the state of that country and the eventuality of things over there, I don't know what does. Whenever we get out of there, whether it be tomorrow or 20 years from now, the place is going to implode. I say lets get out of there and let them have at each other until one side gives up and let Allah sort them out.

Yep. It was hard to forsee that Saddam would ever seem like "the good old days" but we made it happen. As bad as he was, he at least kept order in the society and people could go to work or shop without worrying about suicide bombers or roadside bombs. We have proven that we are not capable of keeping order.

Its shitty, but we can't put the genie back in the bottle, so it looks like they will have to fight it out and find their own new Saddam.

firefyterx
03-05-2007, 02:56 PM
Since the fall of Sadam there still have not been near the deaths caused by sadams ethnic cleansing or the wars he started with neighboring countries. Be patient. Our own history in this country and our embracing of freedom was a tedious process. We need to give this time thet were much farther from where they need to be than we were.