BOX CREW___Fighting The Good Fight???

[Socal Rob]

Hey Guys,
I was just sitting here looking at the pics of Brandon Chinny and his buddies out there in the paddy and it got me thinking. For those guys who don't have the nicer guns that can legitimately handle bigger fish, i.e. slip tip, float line, reel and so forth. Is there any point taking the shot with say a JBL 38 special NW? :cool: I know i'm risking getting the gun ripped out of my hands or breaking my shock cord (which is getting a little old). Have any of you guys shot shomething you konw you shouldn't be able to handle and been able to wrestle it in with sheer muscle to fin action. I'm thinking of giving it a go...

[mike_w]

do you or any of your dive buddys where those duck fin flippers the old blue yellow tip i swear ive seen you around but if your case i think i would say no your probably shore diving so if you see a big white or something id hold off unless it was a halibutt , but then again i dont think your going paddy hoping with your 38

[Socal Rob]

:thumps: Yea i think i'll hold off on the paddy hoping until I graduate in the league of the underwater assault weapons.

And no must have been someone else, no one in BOX CREW wears body boarding fins if that's what you are talking about.

[mike_w]

you guys dive pv? like 2 or 3 of ya?

[Socal Rob]

Yea that's us. Dunno who was wearing the fins though? Who were you there with we've seen a couple guys out and there are like 5 cool asian guys we see all the time.

[mike_w]

nope not me ive seen you a couple times with martin and miguel

[Socal Rob]

I have no idea who Martin and Miguel are but they sound cool

[ralphthehalibut]

Is there any point taking the shot with say a JBL 38 special NW? .

No. Well maybe, but you would have to be a perfect situation. You can rig a reel on just about any gun. Austin and I were out patty hopping and trying to spear YT with polespears for the polespear tourney, so just about anything can be tried. Just don't shoot unless you knoww that you're not going to lose the fish.


Replace your shooting line if its getting worn - you can do it for about 10 bucks and it's a lot cheaper (and less frustrating) then replacing a lost shaft and shooting line.

[Chinny33]

like i said when you first came onto spearboard.

GET A NEW GUN! you're going nowhere with a JBL. you have to be at point blank to get the fish. its not worth seeing fish just sit out of range or seeing something big and feeling underpowered.

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[Kingspear]

With the setup you have your only going to wound fish and probably not land even 95% or those fish. A 20lb yellow is strong and can pull you underwater. Even if you get a new gun I would highly recomend getting reef experience under your belt. Paddy hopping is not where you want to be on the learning curve. One mistake in the blue can be death dealing with no help for miles around.

[Bill McIntyre]

He doesn't want to take advice. If I were a complete newbie asking for advice, I think I might be sensitive to the norms of the board where I was asking for it. He just wants to prove he can use bold type.

As soon as he has a lot of experience and something to offer me in the way of help, I may be willing to wade through the bold type. As it is now, I see no need.

[JDoe]

He doesn't want to take advice. If I were a complete newbie asking for advice, I think I might be sensitive to the norms of the board where I was asking for it. He just wants to prove he can use bold type.

As soon as he has a lot of experience and something to offer me in the way of help, I may be willing to wade through the bold type. As it is now, I see no need.


I agree, this bold type is annoying.

[YakAtak]

He doesn't want to take advice. If I were a complete newbie asking for advice, I think I might be sensitive to the norms of the board where I was asking for it. He just wants to prove he can use bold type.

As soon as he has a lot of experience and something to offer me in the way of help, I may be willing to wade through the bold type. As it is now, I see no need.

Amen!!! I have a legitimate use for your JBL besides sticking it where the sun don't shine. But I won't even offer the advice until you can humble yourself to conform to established standards and the wishes of those slightly more senior to yourself if not in life then at least on this board or this sport. When I want advise from senior members and I know many, I ask in a humble manner and in the way they would like to be approached. You'll see this pop up often in life grasshopper.

[Scottywotty]

Amen!!! I have a legitimate use for your JBL besides sticking it where the sun don't shine. But I won't even offer the advice until you can humble yourself to conform to established standards and the wishes of those slightly more senior to yourself if not in life then at least on this board or this sport. When I want advise from senior members and I know many, I ask in a humble manner and in the way they would like to be approached. You'll see this pop up often in life grasshopper.

Well, I don't know how "Senior" I am, but I'm gonna throw out an olive branch here to try and help this young man and maybe help direct him
down the path of enlightenment. Plus it helps that he's in my "Hood" :D

So Socal Rob, would you like some help rigging, advise on shooting fish
types of fish to shoot, places to find "quality" fish and answers to many of
your freedive spearfishing questions?

I'm hoping that he is just being misunderstood, and maybe I can help.

Socal Rob,
The next move is yours,

Scott

[gonetobaja]

Hey Guys,
I was just sitting here looking at the pics of Brandon Chinny and his buddies out there in the paddy and it got me thinking. For those guys who don't have the nicer guns that can legitimately handle bigger fish, i.e. slip tip, float line, reel and so forth. Is there any point taking the shot with say a JBL 38 special NW? :cool: I know i'm risking getting the gun ripped out of my hands or breaking my shock cord (which is getting a little old). Have any of you guys shot shomething you konw you shouldn't be able to handle and been able to wrestle it in with sheer muscle to fin action. I'm thinking of giving it a go...


Rob,

My first gun was a 38 special JBL. Then I moved up to a bigger JBL and tried to "customize" it with slip tips, bigger bands, a nice camo paint job, etc. Every improvement made the guns better. It was not untill years later when I realized that the extra money spent on a good quality gun was well worth it. Trying to spice up a JBL is like putting a V8 in a volkswagen. That being said, I have run into situations where I had no drag line or float or reel and shot a 30lb WSB and had to do the fight thing. I got lucky because it was a good toggled shot. It is possible to get stuff on your setup, but with that setup I would stick to calicos, sheephead, and other smaller reef fish. Start by attaching a poly floating line to the butt of the gun and then tie a float to the other end. Then you can get used to using the float line system and not have to worry about loosing your gun if you shoot something big. If you shoot something big with a 38 special and you have a drag line hooked to it you will have a better chance of landing the fish because you wont have to hard yank it in. You can play it more gently and have a better chance. Also if a fish caves up its easy to spot where by following the drag line. There are lots of Euro style guns that are not that expensive that hit hard and are accurate. The more expensive guns like the Riffe and Wong guns tend to be more durable IMO but the cheaper Omer and Rabitech guns are still deadly lethal, its easy to see that by PV spearos post. As far as paddy hopping, to me there is no real secret. Drive along untill you see some kelp paddies, jump in up current and drift by. Your fustration will come when you see a dorado or YT and take the shot and watch your spear bounce off or just arc under the fish because of the various problems associated with the JBL 38. Better to get something with more power and accuracy to save you the gas money and time to blue water hunt.

I would start by attaching a drag line to the back of your gun and that will give you a better chance overall with the fish.

Im sure there are lots of people who lurk the board with this gun, so I guess my answer is.....No, dont bother blue water hunting with a JBL 38, stick to the reef and wait untill you have the proper wepon for the proper game.

Hope this helps,

GTB
www.gonetobaja.com

[dvsurfer310]

I agree, this bold type is annoying.


how does bold typing annoy you

[mnguy]

how does bold typing annoy you
I read SB on my blackberry alot of the time so I don't like the boldface, it diminishes my returns on the screen and just generally looks funny. Makes my eyes hurt after awhile.

I'm going to have to agree with general sentiment though, and say that if you want to ask folks for advice and they ask you to do something for them, it might be worth it to do as they ask, especially when it is something as simple as conforming to the norm and not making others eyes hurt. At least, then, its a give and take instead of you just taking and taking from them.

Add to that the fact that the guys who know alot on here are mostly crabby old farts :D and you've got a recipe for getting nothing.

[ApneaAddict]

I agree with Bill and the others. A little humility and respect goes a long way. It is important, especially considering how new you are to the board, to show some respect for those older and more knowledgeable then you. This crap of claiming to be the best, typing in bold font. etc while discussing how completely inexperienced you are illustrates a level of arrogance and immaturity that is irritating and not conducive to finding help on this board. Stuff your pride, grow up, shut up and listen to what those wiser then you have to say. Go out and learn the ocean, learn the sport and learn some respect and then return to this board and I suspect that the response that you will get with be much more positive.

As for your question about spearing larger fish with your JBL 38, I think GTB did a good job of outlining the issues. Before you even consider shooting a real game fish, you should get yourself a float line (you can even just use floating rope, its crappy, but it'll get the job done). Really, even for reef hunting a float line is a good idea. You never know when a good sized calico or halibut is going to give an unexpected run and next thing you know, you're out a speargun... good luck.

[JDoe]

how does bold typing annoy you

It's hard on my eyes. A lot of people on sb have the same POV. It's like typing in all caps.

[apneanaut]

BOX CREW: I've responded to your posts in the past and I don't care about the bold type, however, it seems a small price to pay to drop the bold and make some friends who are willing to help you out and in some cases even take you out diving. Persistance is when you don't give up when there is something valuable to be gained, stubborness is just when you don't give up, and stupidity is when you don't give up when there is only something to be lost.

Don't bother with the crappy gun for anything big, I've been there, tried that. If you are serious about spearfishing, you'll need a better gun.

[PV_Spearo]

Bluewater Militia would like to Invite the Box Munchers to a dive Competition sometime in the near future.

If you want we'll use your JBLs and you can use our guns.

Then you'll see that you really need to listen to the guys on here and get geared up correctly.

[undrH2Ohntr]

I agree with Bill and the others. A little humility and respect goes a long way. It is important, especially considering how new you are to the board, to show some respect for those older and more knowledgeable then you. This crap of claiming to be the best, typing in bold font. etc while discussing how completely inexperienced you are illustrates a level of arrogance and immaturity that is irritating and not conducive to finding help on this board. Stuff your pride, grow up, shut up and listen to what those wiser then you have to say. Go out and learn the ocean, learn the sport and learn some respect and then return to this board and I suspect that the response that you will get with be much more positive.


Well said, I fully agree.....as Bill said, "it makes you come off as a prick" even if you are a nice guy with good intentions.
There are so many experienced divers on this board with a lot to offer but you are alienating yourself with your actions. Have some respect for your elders and those more experienced than you and do things the way they have been done on this board for the past 4-5 years. Do your high school teachers or college professors allow you to type in all bold? I doubt it. You and your buddies seem like you can read so I'm sure they can read through the threads and figure out which ones were started by you guys. This is just my .02 cents but remember you are new here and are asking for help..........Actions speak louder than words :)

[XbrandonX]

Bluewater Militia would like to Invite the Box Munchers to a dive Competition sometime in the near future.

If you want we'll use your JBLs and you can use our guns.

Then you'll see that you really need to listen to the guys on here and get geared up correctly.

Where do you guys dive? I always dive the same spot in PV, my friends and I have conflicting work schedules, so more people to be able to dive with would be great...I fear large sharks too much to go alone :(

[Chinny33]

Where do you guys dive? I always dive the same spot in PV, my friends and I have conflicting work schedules, so more people to be able to dive with would be great...I fear large sharks too much to go alone

I used to be afraid too...and still am, somewhat. You just need to get over the fear. There has not been a single death in all of PV or Santa Monica, EVER, by a shark attack: should give you SOME piece of mind.

Keep diving that one spot in PV. Locals only brah! :mad:

[ApneaAddict]

...I fear large sharks too much to go alone :(

good on ya for not diving alone, but large sharks shouldn't be the cause of your fear of diving alone... I mean, how does having a buddy near by help you if a white shark tears open you femoral artery a half-mile swim from shore?... what you should fear is succumbing to SWB without a buddy to quickly resuscitate you.

[XbrandonX]

good on ya for not diving alone, but large sharks shouldn't be the cause of your fear of diving alone... I mean, how does having a buddy near by help you if a white shark tears open you femoral artery a half-mile swim from shore?... what you should fear is succumbing to SWB without a buddy to quickly resuscitate you.


From what I read most shark attacks occur when the diver doesn't see the shark until he is in it's jaws, so having a one more pair of eyes in the water is always a good thing. And just having one more person in the water cuts your chances of being attacked by 50% because that other person is just as likely of getting bit as you.

[dvsurfer310]

if some of you guys are gonna cry about the bold typing hurting your eyes just don't read his threads cuz hes probably the only one doing it.

[So Cal Shaggy]

If you want to drive down to Laguna I will dive with you. I am planning on heading out Monday or Tuesday or both days depending if I get my honeydo list done this weekend :knees: . I will probably dive somewhere in Crystal Cove. If you fear being attacked by a shark then I suggest you pursue a different hobby I am not trying to sound like a dick by saying that but anytime you enter the water you are putting yourself in the shark's territory. Statistically speaking though you are more likely to get killed in a car accident driving to the beach to go spearfishing than you would be killed by a shark. I have been diving both free and scuba and surfing our local waters for the better part of 25 years and in that time have seen and been in close proximity to makos, blues, leopards, horn, swells, soupfins and sand sharks and have not even had so much as a second look from them now I am not saying that there have never been whites in the water in my area but I have not been attacked :knees: I hope I did not just jinx myself being attacked by a shark while spearfishing is one of the risks involved with this sport just like other sports have their own dangers. If you are worried about shark attacks try to lessen your chances of being attacked by taking some precautions:

1. don't dive in low light or bad visibility
2. do not carry your catch on your person while in the water
3. do not dive areas near seal or sea lion rookeries
4. do not pee in your wetsuit (this one is the most important)

Just try not to think about sharks and focus on stalking your catch if your are focussed you will not be thinking of anything other than the fish besides the shark that will attack you is the one you never see :D .

[JDoe]

if some of you guys are gonna cry about the bold typing hurting your eyes just don't read his threads cuz hes probably the only one doing it.


That is exactly what we are saying. If you type bold, we are not going to read it and then you wont get an answer. It really isn't a big deal to not use bold. Like I said already, it is just like people using caps.

Grammer and spelling on the other hand, is another problem with some people on the board. "Cuz" we do not know what "hes" saying sometimes.

[dvsurfer310]

Grammer and spelling on the other hand, is another problem with some people on the board. "Cuz" we do not know what "hes" saying sometimes.[/QUOTE]

sorry English professor

[JDoe]

If you are worried about shark atacks try to lessen your chances of being attacked by taking some precautions:

4. do not pee in your wetsuit (this one is the most important)



I am *****ed then (joking). How do you not pee in your suit when it is one for hours at a time? Does it really increase your chances? Why?

[JDoe]

Grammer and spelling on the other hand, is another problem with some people on the board. "Cuz" we do not know what "hes" saying sometimes.

sorry English professor[/QUOTE]

At least you did not type in bold. I can deal with bad grammer/spelling.

[So Cal Shaggy]

I am *****ed then (joking). How do you not pee in your suit when it is one for hours at a time? Does it really increase your chances? Why?
:lol: John, I was joking if peeing in your wetsuit increased your chances of being attacked I would have been a goner a long time ago :D

[JDoe]

:lol: John, I was joking if peeing in your wetsuit increased your chances of being attacked I would have been a goner a long time ago :D


Thank God, I was going to cut a hole in the crotch of my wetsuit to get the pee out immediately. :rofl:

[So Cal Shaggy]

Thank God, I was going to cut a hole in the crotch of my wetsuit to get the pee out immediately. :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[no bananas]

Rob,


:thumps: :thumps: :thumps:


I will bite too. You are a class act. You sucessfully pissed off a $hit load of people & got them emotionally charged over stupid bold type and your arrogance. :D :D No harm done.

Just be careful out there and have FUN!

As a side note, why name your crew " Box Crew?" It doesn't sound very sexy to be honest with you. Fill us in. What's the dope?

[Polystigma]

I have run into the BOX CREW a few times with my buddies, Mike and Miguel.

In fact, XBRANDONX I was there the day your friend took that avatar photo of yours.

To sum it up. You guys need to buy better gear. All of you guys had JBL's except for one of your buddies who had a Picasso of some kind. Other than that. They seemed like cool bunch.

[Socal Rob]

Well I have to be honest I figured that more of you guys would have taken a potentially risky shot, but I guess that the risk of losing a gun or being dragged to your death by your dinner doesn't sound too appealing either. And as much as I love how durable the JBL 38 is in dealing with the rockfish I will be moving up to a new gun in the near future. Thanks for all the responses

Now as far as the bold i'm goign to drop it if for no other reason that the board doesn't fill up with replys bashing the "prick who likes to use all caps".
:thumps: Never meant to piss anyone off, more of a hey if you guys don't like it then don't read the threads, but too many of you are being overly emotionally affected by this so The Saga Of The Bold Type is at an end.

Also now you blueberry users will be able to read all of my amazing tidbits on one fun filled screen. :D

Bluewater Militia we'll have a modern day "dive off" with you guys anytime in the spirit of sport and a a fun filled arvo (even if we do go down in flames) might be fun to see what we are aiming for as it were. (I'd appreciate it though if we kept the box munching to a minimum :thumps:

No Bananas,
the origin of "BOX CREW" can be found in my first posting...check it out theres only a couple.

THanks again guys

-Socal Rob

[no bananas]

:D

I am impressed by your civil approach. Finally pressed that "Caps Lock" key on your left hand side.

[So Cal Shaggy]

Rob, most of the guys that frequent this board would not like to take a "risky" shot with an underpowered gun that only has a 8" shockline attached I think that most guys on this board would not try taking a fish that is too big for their equipment to handle not due to their fear of being dragged to their death but to rather make sure that anything they shoot they can land rather than having it tear off only to swim away mortally wounded only to die and wash up on the beach with a hole from a spear in it this would cause all spearos negative backlash labeling us as cowboys that just swim around shooting anything just for the fun of it. As for your choice of bold type it did not bother me but if I may give you some advice when you make the statement "if you guys don't like it then don't read the threads" that puts people on the defensive if that is your attitude that's cool with me it is the way you are just put yourself in their shoes I mean would you be willing to give someone help if they walked up to you and said "hey you, show me how to shoot big fish like that" and you say to them "excuse me that is a rude way to ask for help" only to have that person say to you "that is just the way I ask if you do not like it go F*** yourself.

[undrH2Ohntr]

Now as far as the bold i'm goign to drop it

thank you........I think it was more the "attitude" shaggy is referring to more than the actual bold type. I think you will find more people receptive and willing to answer questions. Along the lines of shooting fish without the proper gear, you need to remember that you can die in this sport and safety should always be your number one concern. There will still be fish in the sea when you purchase a new upgraded gun.

[So-Cal Spearo]

I didnt care too much about the "bold" but rather the attitude.
I can understand you thought it was necessary to pot BOX____CREW in every thread title so your friends could find it but that doesnt work here. Maybe it worked on other forums but we have over 10,000 members. Maybe you wanted your friends to find stuff easier, but thats 2-3 other guys compared to thousands of us who have to look at it. If everyone did that there would be chaos in this forum and it would fall apart.
I have been on this forum for a while and one thing I have learned is that you can usually recover after getting flamed for a while. But all you have to do is show others respect and come on the board with a "willing to learn" attitude and many of us would be happy to give you all kinds of advice and help. It is much more beneficial to have allies than enemies here.
It was big of you to come out and apologize. Just drop the BOX___CREW name dropping in the thread titles and you will earn more respect :thumps:

[ralphthehalibut]

Bluewater Militia we'll have a modern day "dive off" with you guys anytime in the spirit of sport and a a fun filled arvo (even if we do go down in flames) might be fun to see what we are aiming for as it were.


-Socal Rob

There are polespear tournaments... maybe you and the BWM should have a JBL tournament. Kinda like a polespear tourney, but more underpowered and less accurate :D :D :D :D


On a side note - I've speared literally hundreds of halibut with a JBL - they're perfect for that sort of thing, but don't mess with bigger fish with yours.

[ralphthehalibut]

I think that most guys on this board would not try taking a fish that is too big for their equipment to handle not due to their fear of being dragged to their death but to rather make sure that anything they shoot they can land rather than having it tear off only to swim away mortally wounded only to die .



Well put.

[XbrandonX]

I have run into the BOX CREW a few times with my buddies, Mike and Miguel.

In fact, XBRANDONX I was there the day your friend took that avatar photo of yours.

To sum it up. You guys need to buy better gear. All of you guys had JBL's except for one of your buddies who had a Picasso of some kind. Other than that. They seemed like cool bunch.

I had my jbl for over 6 years so it was hard to replace because I really liked it, but I took your advice and bought a Picasso Century with reel and 100' of line, It's all I can afford at the moment. The next thing on my "to buy" list is the 5mm apnea suit (or yazbeck if I can find a money tree) then replace my aqua lung fins with Picasso black team fins. Sound good for someone on a tight budget?

[caldiver]

I had my jbl for over 6 years so it was hard to replace because I really liked it, but I took your advice and bought a Picasso Century with reel and 100' of line, It's all I can afford at the moment. The next thing on my "to buy" list is the 5mm apnea suit (or yazbeck if I can find a money tree) then replace my aqua lung fins with Picasso black team fins. Sound good for someone on a tight budget?

the apnea suit is really nice as i'm sure everyone will tell you - definitely a worthwhile buy. Same goes for the black teams - although I would highly recommend you try on a pair because of their large size range and wide-heeled footpockets.

best of luck out there - you'll *probably* need it if you and the box crew are going spear to spear with the BWM haha

[XbrandonX]

Same goes for the black teams - although I would highly recommend you try on a pair because of their large size range and wide-heeled footpockets.

Thanx...I'll be sure to try them on before I buy a pair. Also, where does everyone get their apnea suits from in the south bay area?

[caldiver]

Dustin (isibrigade) of Gat-Ku can set you up with one, but he ships out of SD. If you want to try one on, I think I saw twentytwomonk (Dave) say they are available at Glenn's Aquarius in Monterey.