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keezdiver
12-09-2003, 07:30 PM
was out doing reef surveys today (tuesday the 9th) from about Taverneir creek south to Indian Key.

wind was STRONG out of the east, 20-25 sustained all day, but luckily the current was flowing east as well, which was keeping the waves to a (barely) tolerable 4-5 average, coming in nice sets.

the inshore water was crap, it was milky out to about 3 or 4 miles. we were able to get into some real nice clear water, one site had 75+ ft of vis measured with a secchi disk horizontally, and several others were about 50ft. the bad water seemed to extend out to about the 30ft line on the reef. and within 100 yards it would go from 10ft of vis to 50+.

so some of the shallower patch reefs and outter reef crest is clear and shootable, while some are not as good. it really seemed to depend on the shape of the reef and the amount of silt being brought out by the tide (vis was dropping noticably while diving, within 10 minutes even)

water temp was variable, on the surface it was about 78, while on the bottom it varied from about 75.5 in some deeper places with a noticable thermocline, to about 77 in others. the thermoclines didn't seem to be holding the suspended particles like they were last week, but that could be due to a steeper cline that i experienced last week further south (marathon area).

i was diving with a full 3mm suit, was relatively comfortable at most of the spots, noticably cool in the one deeper spot that had the cline. HOWEVER, our dives are typically 20 mins long, i think if i were to be spearing in the 40-50 ft range for more than 45 minutes i would have been quite chilled. a hooded vest would have cured this yet maintained good flexability.

now for the fish we saw

Hogfish hogfish and more hogfish.
the males are coming onto the reef in hordes. on every dive i saw at least one male hog that was 18-22" long. and there were plenty of legal females scurrying around with them. look for the bigger ones in the low relief patches which have plenty of sand around. this is where the females congragate, and the males are moving in to find them. you can actually sit and watch as they do their little "mating" routine trying to impress the girls with their color and by extending their long dorsal fins.

the large red grouper seem to be more prevailent, i saw 3 or 4 legal ones today, including one NICE beast that easily would have measured 30-32".

havn't seen any yellowtail, and one dive today was about 200yrds behind a guy chuming.

been seeing some nice mangroves moving onto the reef. they seem to be a bit deeper, but i've seen several that easily would measure out at 20"

the water has been murkey enough that i think all the reclusive blacks and gags have been evading us before we can see them.

well that is all, i may be out tomorrow for another ass kicking...what can i say...i'm a glutton for punishment.

that is all
talk amongst yourselves

kitefisherman
12-09-2003, 07:50 PM
Great report. Sorry that you weren't shootin'

keyspearfisher
12-09-2003, 08:23 PM
Will the wind die down before saturday? Biologist, meteorologist what was it you do again? Do you have any of those fish lengths in metric? I was up by Canada the other day, and that system seems to be catching on up there. And I don't want to be out of the loop.

keezdiver
12-10-2003, 06:41 AM
<------ and it's marine biologist, i ain't no stinkin meterologist:mad:


:cool:

awe come on brian!!! i spent 20 minutes converting all those to inches and degrees for ya...

everything we do is in metric:D

um

big hogs were 30-50cm
monster red was 70-80cm
big mangos were 35-45cm

temps were 24.6-25.5 degrees

granted those are off the top of my head, may not be completely accurate.

metric conversion webpage (http://www.admiralmetals.com/metric_conv.htm)

diligaf
12-10-2003, 07:49 AM
I also got out off of Pompano yesterday and had similar conditions. The seas were a confused 4’-6’, making it a little tough on my 21’ boat. It was not exactly the east 10-15 knot winds and 2’-4’ seas our usually wrong meteorologist predicted.

The blue water was in and vis was 100’ plus, but what amazes me is how similar your fish report is to what I observed here. There were 2 reds, 24”& 28” respectively, pretty good size for this area and male hogs 16”-20” were abundant. The water temp was about 76*-77* and it just amazes me that 100 miles up the coast, similar fish patterns and behavior occur simultaneously.

normanhghntr
12-10-2003, 12:44 PM
Hey Dave, similar report from american out to western, inshore from hawks channel to the outer edge of the reef line nothing but churned up water, when we hit the ledge it went from milk to blue with about 50' vis water temp about 72-74 a little colder through the clines. saw a couple of big blacks, very skittish couldn't get within 20' feet of them, saw a couple of reds 22-26 inches, nothing to really take a shot at, and plenty of female hogs doing there thing with the bigger boys, saw at least 20 or so a bunch of males in the 17 ++ range they were hanging on the outskirts of the patch rock around areas with lots of eel grass and sand , dotted with smaller coral heads.

keyspearfisher
12-10-2003, 10:01 PM
Now it all makes sense, Cabinetmakers work in the 32mm system.

Ed Walker
12-11-2003, 11:03 PM
Do us all a favor and stop by the University of Miami and tell them what you saw in the real world today. .

keezdiver
12-12-2003, 06:35 AM
if you're referring to the wise and all knowing Jerry Ault...

don't even get me started!!!

was out yesterday (12-11) off long key again and had decent vis

saw quite a few nice muttons and blacks up in 25' off Tennesse Reef

normanhghntr
12-12-2003, 10:32 AM
I heard The all knowing is working on a new report, it claims there are actually more great whites in the keys than hog fish!!! Het Ed are you going to the meetings in Tampa?

keezdiver
12-12-2003, 07:11 PM
vis update for the middle keys:

was diving off of summerland/cudjoe today. in about 30' the color change was night and day. we went out to the reef just off American Shoal, and did some spearing. water was (relative to that rest of the keys and with the weather) nice and clear, about 40-50' vis in 25' of water

shot a nice hog and a nice grouper

my first grouper mind you!!!! go me!!!

measured out a about 32 inches. made for some nice fillets, enough even to give to the neighboors.

keezdiver
12-12-2003, 07:13 PM
i kick ass!!

oh yeah and the seas were calm as hell since it was a north or n-w wind all afternoon.

Ed Walker
12-12-2003, 09:05 PM
Yes, I will be at the meeting. Rich Taylor has formally applied to sit on the SEDAR panel as a sport divers representative and all of the divers in this area are hoping he makes it. We think its a great idea to have an educated, highly experienced, and well respected diver such as Mr Taylor on the board. Many of the officials we have spoken with in our preparations have been very helpful and even suggested applying for that seat (actually none existed before) on the panel. Considering that hogs are only targeted by spearfishermen one would think a diver could be very helpful in determining the actual validity of the Ault hogfish assessment, which as you and I both know is a gross misinterpretation of the true state of the fishery.