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SnpperWhisperer
05-11-2008, 10:32 PM
Four of us paddled from Matauri Bay on Saturday morning, arrived at the DOC hut at the Cavalli Islands, offloaded our gear, then pushed on to the north. Long John and I headed to my best snapper spot, which I expected to be getting a bit of calm water away from the northerly swell. A bit of a swell was wrapping on to the reef when we got there, and the vis was maybe 8 metres. Our plan was for Long John to shoot video as he clung to my fin tips like a limpid, and for me to shoot some snapper. Yehaaa!!!!:cowboy:

A quiet approach to the edge of my favourite reef revealed just a few very small snapper drifting along the precipice. No big ones anywhere. Damn, I was disappointed. Anyway, we dropped a burley of crushed urchins and some cut up fish and headed out over the kelp bed where the koheru were acting like baitfish schools should –scared.:(

A couple of kingies zipped around us. Not bad. Then a bigger one – oh sh!t we might have to get one of those after we have snooped the area. Back to the burley spot and I got rolled in a swell and stuffed up my approach, getting washed over the top of the rock directly above the fish, which all just fled. Oh well, back to the point and out to the kelp beds again. There were no big snapper there yet anyway.

On to the nearby point. Just very small snapper lurking around. Back to my burley spot, and I picked up a small snapper as Long John filmed it. Just a small one of about one kilogram, but big enough for my dinner that night.

Back towards the outside reef edge, a few kingies cruised through. I dived a couple of times and they were a little weary.

I took a long shot at one but hit it low. It zoomed off into the current taking my float line with it. Following my spear, I found it hooked into the kelp, with no fish attached. B’gger B’gger b’gger !! Very disappointed about that – I hate losing fish. It only happens when you rush a shot. :bashhead:

After another dive or two a few big ones swept past, but out of range. Another circled around, and as I sank down towards the bottom he swung around and made a bee-line for me. I waited as he kept on swimming at me, and he turned just on the limit of my range – maybe 2.5 or 3 metres away from my spear tip. Long John was behind me catching it all on video.

I was using my new pole spear from Aaron Crist. It’s an 8 ft long aluminium tube with another 1.5 ft of spring stainless and a Riffe icepick sliptip, driven by a lop of ½ inch rubber. It packs quite a punch:gun: My floatline clips on to the rubber.

The spear penetrated high in the back below the dorsal fin. I was very worried about the placement. The fish took my spear and float line whizzed through my glove fast. It was game on!

Once the fish had pulled me out ahead of the reef, it was just pulling straight down towards the sand, and I kept gentle pressure on it, making ground for a minute or so, then it would pull down hard and I’d give it another 10 metres. I dived on it and soon realised it was well secured by the sliptip, which had toggled through the other side of its back. Still, there’s no point in breaking gear. It had a big thick back. This was a fat fish in good condition. I kept the pressure on for quite a few minutes, making ground slowly, and eventually it came up. The fish was pretty tired out so I easily flipped it over to sink a knife into its brain and end the fight. The fish weighed 21.5 kg – my biggest so far with a pole spear. I was stoked!
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Paddling back, we bumped into Steve McDonald and the boys who had come over from Kerikeri on Steve’s olds’ new 7m tinny. Their day had been a bit more subdued, with a couple of panny snapper speared.

We stopped on a weedline and did a little more filming but decided to pack it in as it was dead. It was a bit of a hell paddle back into a 25 knot southerly, with wind chop, for more than an hour. :bang: All I can say is that we made it back eventually. For long John’s first serious kayak mission he did well, only abusing me occasionally. The wind did obscure most of the whimpering.

Sam and Mark Jones arrived on their kayaks just on dusk, with Sammy having taken the cross-country sledging route rather than loop the south-eastern peninsular of the large island. Mark, who is a seasoned kayak explorer, looked like he’d just had a stroll around the block. It turns out they had both cleaned up, with a heap of snapper between them, both getting fish of about 6 kg, and several slightly smaller ones. A superb effort!
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Day 2 had knocked the top off the swell, so we headed around to an easy snapper spot and burleyed up a storm for some snapper footage. I switched to my 3 prong pole spear. It’s great for smaller fish. Approaching a reef, a small snapper drifted around and I whispered it in for the video, but not close enough. I took a long shot when he stopped, and it just bounced off him. There were plenty of kahawai and koheru around, and we soon had small snapper drifting around the front of the reef. I dropped down the side and across the current face of the white rock wall. Small snapper were swimming along the face, and then larger one just popped out above and in front of me, so I let him have it and locked him up midwater. Those are the best moments – when it all just works out perfectly! It was only 1.25 kg, but I can assure you, it was most excellent eating.:thumps:
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We were a bit over the death and destruction by then, and headed back to check the first burley one last time, only to spook a couple of reasonable snapper away from a bungled approach again. We packed it in and did a relaxed paddle back to Matauri Bay in just under an hour, enjoying the warm sunshine of the early autumn afternoon.

kjflyfish
05-11-2008, 10:48 PM
There it is! :thumps:

seahunter49
05-11-2008, 11:00 PM
Great story, thanks for sharing.

FJHIII
05-11-2008, 11:12 PM
:allhail:

I think that is a great story. Thank you for sharing. Congrats on the catch.

I bring my pole spear on every trip looking for the opportunity that you had, again Congrats!

NateSmith
05-11-2008, 11:12 PM
that's awesome...... i gotta talk to Dustin about getting some bigger sections for my Gat-Ku

carlsbadspearo
05-11-2008, 11:13 PM
wow now thats amazing. great story.

OceanEd
05-12-2008, 07:17 AM
Nice fish!! The Aaron Christ pole spear really has the mass to punch through those larger fish.

IyaDiver
05-12-2008, 05:46 PM
Holy Cow...wow wow. I never knew pole spear equipment is so advance now. I am so behind time....

Great shooting !!!!

That 1/2" band loop you mentioned, does that act like Hawaiian Sling type propulsion ?
I never try pole spear before. If it is 8 feet long, how does one swing it to track fish ? Won't it be so difficult ?

Thanks
Iya

SnpperWhisperer
05-12-2008, 06:19 PM
Thanks guys. The video footage has apparently come out good, so we'll see where it goes.
Iyadiver, um, it's a pole spear, not a hawaiian sling. But yes I guess it is similar. There is no tube around the shaft like a hawaiin sling has, you grip the rubber against the spear in your hand instead.
8 ft is fine for tracking, because when cocked and ready to fire, about half the spear is behind your hand and half is in front of your hand. Even 10 ft is fine for tracking (but the rear section can catch on your your legs a bit).

azspearo
05-12-2008, 07:24 PM
Nice fish Reid and another great story. There are only a few that are in your league with a fish like that using a polespear.
Any problems with the spear? Did you get video of the actual spearing of your Kingfish?

SnpperWhisperer
05-12-2008, 07:49 PM
Thanks mate - and I'm more than happy to report a good fish with your spear!

The spear was absolutely ideal as far as I can tell. The weight of the spear drove the sliptip through the fish on a fairly long shot, and it actually worked better than I had expected when I made the shot. The rubber is cut to a perfect length. The grip is fantastic. The spear is nicely balanced, and flies nicely. All felt secure and solid after battling the fish for quite a while. I really can't see how it could be improved at all.

To attach my float line I just attached a standard gun clip (a short polyprop rope with a braided loop at one end and a shark clip braided onto the other end). I simply pass the rope through the rubber loop and then back through its own loop again. My float line ends in a loop that I clip the shark clip to. Just the same as attaching a gun clip to a euro gun handle. This setup moved much less along the rubber than I expected, probably because it was an old loop which had already settled into a nice tight bend.

Apparently my buddy Long John did get the shot on film. Long John does some filming for a local fishing show, and is getting pretty good, and he has put together a full video already. I am not sure what he will do with this one, but he shot the whole weekend so he can do a full story. I made sure he got plenty of good 3 prong footage also, which was an absolute blast. I'm not sure were this footage will end up, but I'll let you know when it becomes available and what he is going to do with it.

kjflyfish
05-12-2008, 09:27 PM
Aaron, that winter price has got my wallet burning. I would love to take a pole to all the spots we dive near Wellington.

seahunter49
05-12-2008, 09:39 PM
azspearo, is the 8' spear made of solid aluminum apart from the shaft? What does it weigh without the shaft? Thanks.

azspearo
05-12-2008, 10:49 PM
kjflyfish: You can send me a private message here. azspearo@yahoo.com

seahunter49: All my polespears are made from 3/4" x 1/8" tubing. An 8' 2-piece is a tad under 4lbs with the shaft. I'm building an 8' spear this week so I'll get it weighted without the shaft.

seahunter49
05-12-2008, 11:02 PM
No need to weigh it without the shaft, thanks. So 3/4" outer diameter and 1/8" wall. But some part of it must be solid where the shaft inserts no? If so how long is the solid part?

azspearo
05-12-2008, 11:57 PM
The head of the polespear is solid it has 1" in the tube and 2" out. I use helical inserts where the pole breaks down and at the set screw holes this will promote long life and strength.

mnguy
05-15-2008, 03:15 AM
Nice Kingy! I'm hoping to get into some of those this summer as our water warms up here in Southern California. I've got my 9' Crist with 18" shank and either a tahitian tip or slip tip to go with, though I'll probably end up using the flopper as I have no faith in my slip tip. I figure with the solid connection onto the fish plus the floatline a kingy from out here won't be able to swim straight for very long. That and, if in a kelp bed, maybe the 9' of metal sticking out the side will cause it to tangle up faster. 20 kg is massive for one out here, and even 10 kg is a good sized fish.

Have you ever tagged a king or similar fish with a polespear and a flopper tip? If you have, did things go like I'm thinking they would or did it just go careening off just as easy as with a slip?

SnpperWhisperer
05-15-2008, 05:46 AM
MMmmmm, I have to say I also did a great job of smoking that fish at home. Just fantastic!

Yeah I lost one of about 30 kg on my manny puig which has a flopper. Just a slightly high shot I think, and the fish got into the rocks and levered itself out. After beating myself up about it, I figure it could have happened to anyone regardless of equipment.

The problem with a flopper on a long pole spear is the fact that the big spear is much more likely to work itself out than a nice thin flexible spear shaft. I reckon the sliptip is better on a crist spear than a flopper for big kingies. The more likely a tangle, the more I think a sliptip is the answer as it is often in entanglement in kelp and rocks that kingies get off flopper spears. I've spent many years using spearguns with floppers before this, so I have a pretty good feel for it. I do think Aaaron's floppers are a bit small - I might swap mine for some Rob Allen floppers or similar.

I've shot a few kingies now in the 10 - 15 kg range with my manny puig spear (with flopper). I was very vigilant to ensure that the flopper stayed under some tension the whole time, and was worried about it, but ended up landing all the fish.

So, I guess the moral of the story is to have a go with the flopper, but be very cautious about managing the fish once it is speared. However in my opinion, a slip tip would probaby be better.

freedivingfool
05-15-2008, 07:42 AM
i talked to aaron and he is sending out an 8ft for me with the 5/16 shaft, i'm going to be using it with the riffe ice pick also. going on a trip next week to target dogtooth tuna, i will let you know how my set up handles against those things.

azspearo
05-15-2008, 09:55 PM
"I do think Aaaron's floppers are a bit small - I might swap mine for some Rob Allen floppers or similar."

Reid I have 3"(76mm) floppers now. I believe you have one of my shafts with the 2"(50mm) flopper these work great on bottom and small fish.

The following questions are for anyone using my spears.

How are the two piece connections holding up? I haven't had a problem with any of them just a couple of guys saying that during the dive they had to re-tighten them.
These were on spears that were new and had little time in the water.
On my personnel 2yr old spear after a dive or two the threads galled up a bit and this keeps them fastened without coming un-screwed during the dive.
I haven't had a problem with getting my 2 yr old spear apart from the light galling, has anyone else with theirs?
I have suggested they use teflon tape if they don't want to wait.

Since people are rigging their floatlines a la Puig style I was asked what the breaking strength of the cord I use on my slings; it's 1/8"(3.2mm) 530lb line.
If people are worried about this I could offer a higher breaking strength line in Spectra or Vectran?

How is the pull weight on the 8' and 9' spears? They are around 52lbs at full pull. This was a happy medium between easy of pull and enough power for penetration.
How has the grip held up and are you still using it? I omitted the knurling on the spears and only have couple left with it on.
This was done so the end user could place their own grip where they want it. I have done this for those that wanted a different placement on their spear.
I look forward to your feedback as this is how I improve my products.

hardway
05-15-2008, 11:21 PM
Damn nice fish snapper, congrats!
I always enjoy reading your reports and seeing pics of the fish you land by polespear, really inspiring! Your a bad ass, no doubt.

Bulit7
05-16-2008, 07:49 AM
Nice kill. Pole spear on a float line: cool!!

I agree on the slip tip option for large fish. The mass on a pole spear would cause the spear to tear out on a broadside shot due to resistance in the water.

Way to do it!!

mnguy
05-18-2008, 12:31 AM
"I do think Aaaron's floppers are a bit small - I might swap mine for some Rob Allen floppers or similar."

Reid I have 3"(76mm) floppers now. I believe you have one of my shafts with the 2"(50mm) flopper these work great on bottom and small fish.

The following questions are for anyone using my spears.

How are the two piece connections holding up? I haven't had a problem with any of them just a couple of guys saying that during the dive they had to re-tighten them.
These were on spears that were new and had little time in the water.
On my personnel 2yr old spear after a dive or two the threads galled up a bit and this keeps them fastened without coming un-screwed during the dive.
I haven't had a problem with getting my 2 yr old spear apart from the light galling, has anyone else with theirs?
I have suggested they use teflon tape if they don't want to wait.


Mine sometimes comes apart a millimeter or two, but since I'm a twister when it comes to loading a polespear I correct for it pretty easily.

Since people are rigging their floatlines a la Puig style I was asked what the breaking strength of the cord I use on my slings; it's 1/8"(3.2mm) 530lb line.
If people are worried about this I could offer a higher breaking strength line in Spectra or Vectran?

How is the pull weight on the 8' and 9' spears? They are around 52lbs at full pull. This was a happy medium between easy of pull and enough power for penetration.

Pull weight, for me, is a little beefy with the twist action but manageable without the twist. I think I'm going to try a slightly thinner rubber that is cut shorter and see what the difference is.

How has the grip held up and are you still using it? I omitted the knurling on the spears and only have couple left with it on.
This was done so the end user could place their own grip where they want it. I have done this for those that wanted a different placement on their spear.
I look forward to your feedback as this is how I improve my products.

The rubber wrapping is breaking up above the twine on mine, and I've rolled the top back an inch or two on it a couple of times when I grip the spear farther up for a hole shot. I'm thinking about using the current grip until it falls apart and then rewrapping it with epoxied twine and then a layer of rubber over that.