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njdiver
06-12-2008, 05:21 PM
Government wants saltwater anglers to register, pay fee

(Published: Thursday, June 12, 2008 )

Saltwater anglers would need to register with the federal government to go fishing next year, and starting in 2011 pay an annual fee between $15 and $25.

The goal of the proposal is to assemble a better database of recreational fishermen so they can be interviewed more thoroughly on what they catch. This information would be used to better manage fisheries.
Such surveys are now based on meetings with anglers when they return to the dock and using phone books from coastal areas to cold-call people about their fishing habits.

The official proposal from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or NOAA, came out in the Federal Register on Wednesday. It covers anglers and spearfishermen but does not include commercial fishermen, since they already give detailed reports of their catches.
The rule covers federal waters off New Jersey outside three miles and anadromous species of fish in state waters inside three miles. This includes major species such as striped bass, shad and summer flounder. Anadromous species spawn in inland areas but spend their adult life in estuaries and the ocean.

Gordon Colvin, an NOAA biologist heading up the registry effort, said pretty much anybody fishing in tidal waters "where anadromous fish are likely to be caught" must be registered.
New Jersey anglers knew this was coming since last year, when Congress passed a law calling for a national registry of all saltwater anglers by 2009.

The proposal allows states with their own saltwater fishing license to be exempted from the federal regulations, and this has renewed calls to put a program in place in New Jersey, one of seven northeast states that do not have a saltwater license.

The federal government is urging states to set up their own license program and is ready to issue exemptions for those that do. The biggest benefit to this is the money collected would go to state fishing programs instead of directly to the U.S. Treasury.

"We have time. It's two and a half years before a fee goes into effect. I'm sure once things get going we can get it done in time," said Gil Ewing, chairman of the N.J. Marine Fisheries Council.

Ewing has been a big booster of a state license. He noted the state recently faced a moratorium on tautog fishing partly because it did not have the money to conduct research to prove its case that more tog could be landed. Ewing said a number of New Jersey fishery workers have retired and not been replaced due to lack of funding.

"Personally, I think it's the thing to do. It makes so much more sense economically. I see no negatives to having our own rather than one from the federal government," Ewing said.

The proposal outlined by NOAA does include some good news for the New Jersey shore, as licensed party and charter boats would be exempt. There had been much concern when the 2007 federal law passed that such operations would have to ask fishing tourists for a license fee, and that this would stifle business.

There also are exemptions for indigenous people such as American Indians who traditionally fish for food and not for sport. Anglers under the age of 16 also would be exempt.

Ewing disputes federal estimates that 2 million anglers will need to register. There are as many as 20 million saltwater anglers nationally but the government figures most coastal states have licenses and will seek the exemption.

That still leaves Hawaii and seven northeastern states from New Jersey to Maine. Ewing said the 2 million estimate is way too low.

"I think they're way off on the angler count. There's 1 million in New Jersey," Ewing said.

Another potential concern is what would happen if the new, more accurate fish surveys done using the registry show landings are much higher than previously thought. Some think this could lead to drastic cutbacks on what they are allowed to land. For all anybody really knows, the reverse could happen.

The only thing everybody seems to agree on is that the existing data collection system is seriously flawed.

NOAA is simply stressing the idea that good data would lead to better management and this would prevent overfishing, which is good for the sport's future.

"There is no conspiracy here. It really is a recognition on our part that we have poor data on recreational fisheries," said Jim Balsiger, of NOAA's Fisheries Service.

Colvin said a toll-free phone number and a Web-based method of registering will be set up. An outreach effort is planned for later this year that will include getting the message out to those who do not speak English. Anglers would have to register before their first fishing trip in 2009.

Colvin said enforcement would be done by state and federal agencies. Penalties for not registering will be outlined in a future proposal.
Anglers will have to supply their name, address, phone number and regions where they fish. NOAA says the information will not be released to the public. States that have license programs will supply this information to NOAA. This will lead to surveys of the anglers.

"We will be getting more data for the dollar invested. It's in everybody's interest to have decisions made on data that is as accurate as it can be. If we underestimate the recreational catch we may allow overfishing that will harm stocks," Colvin said.

To e-mail Richard Degener at The Press:
RDegener@pressofac.com

TO LEARN MORE Log onto www.countmyfish.noaa.gov. The Web site includes the proposal and gives detailed instructions on how to submit public comments on it, which will be accepted until Aug. 11.


http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/1...ry/180852.html



http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080611_anglerregistration.html

http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/mrip/aboutus/organization/anglerteam.html

http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/mrip/aboutus/organization/downloads/Registry_Federal_Register_Notice.pdf

http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/mrip/aboutus/organization/downloads/national_angler_registry_press_release.pdf

http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/mrip/aboutus/organization/downloads/NOAA_Registry_Proposed_Rule_Fact_Sheet.pdf (http://http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/mrip/aboutus/organization/downloads/NOAA_Registry_Proposed_Rule_Fact_Sheet.pdf)

LeMonstier
06-12-2008, 05:49 PM
As much as I don't care for regulations like this, the things I see people doing to fish at my jetty and at other places I dive at, makes me want to become an agent for the fish and wildlife commission. At my local Jetty there are certain people fish all day long everyday for Tautog with no regard for size or limits, I believe for some sort of black market restaurant scheme, and disgusting things people do to "junk" fish because they are mad they caught them is horrible. I saw some kid at the jetty at Allenhurst smashing Sea Robins on the rocks because he didn't like them. I told the police, who were hanging out with the the girls checking beach tags, about it and they blew me off. I said, what if someone grabbed a sea gull and started smashing it against the road? In some ways, I would love a system where people could loose their license for stuff like that and be fined for not having a license.

Another thing that has been bothering me lately is kids who are all gung ho about spearfishing but have no care about regulations as well. I was at my jetty a couple weeks ago and the Coast Guard security told me of two complaints about some kids cooking an under sized striper right on the rocks. It's stuff like that which is going to kill out sport. If you screw up and kill an undersized fish, I don't know what to tell you to do about it, but don't show it off to the fisherman who most likely don't want you around anyways. I try my best to say things to unexperienced speros, but their egos seem to get in the way. I have a boat so if they ban people from getting to the jetty again, it's all better for me.


Oh, and don't get me started with all these idiots swimming around with loaded guns and no floats, I just love the paranoia of possibly running into one of these nuts underwater!!

sorry if I went off subject. I had to get that off my chest..
I feel so much better now.. haha. thanks..

hockeydiver
06-13-2008, 03:28 PM
My take on a SW license is that I don't need any govermental agency to charge me what is another tax just to tell me what I can't fish and spear for.

Rod N.
East Brunswick, NJ

NJ DREW
06-13-2008, 06:12 PM
I might be confused, but are they going to want us to check the fish in like you do with deer.

TriggerNJ
06-14-2008, 12:14 AM
I might be confused, but are they going to want us to check the fish in like you do with deer.

So far I don't think there's anything about having to check fish in like with deer.
Nice fish BTW:beer:

From what I understand the Magnuson-Stevens Act says that by 2009 every saltwater angler needs to be registered just so that number of anglers can be kept track of and to help with the voluntary interviews NOAA does to gauge recreational fishing pressure. The first two years of registration will be free with a fee kicking in after that. The thing is the money would not be used for the states fishery's but if the state were to instate a license policy which recorded the same info as the registration the state would meet the act's requirements and be able to use the money on itself. In other words I'm guessing we can expect to see a saltwater license requirement by 2011. Now, if we end up with a license will we also see required check in for certain species?

frenchspear
07-01-2008, 03:00 PM
It's interesting for me, a French guy living here, to compare that state/federal system to the one we have in France. There, the problem is [U]partly solved this way : there is a mandatory license, yearly and nationwide, that you must get prior to getting wet with a gun. This license can be obtained for free at the local 'maritime affairs' department or thru your fishing or diving club (for a fee, but with more insurance coverage). Along to the polls related to the number of registered persons, some agencies complete data on the fishing pressure.
Advantages : 1. anyone spearfishing is globally far much responsible of his acts, even more due to strict and frequent controls. 2. The species particularly targeted by spearos (groupers, amberjacks, etc) can be forbidden from a few months a year to some periods up to 5 years in a given area. That is supposed to help populations jump back to a reassuring number.
3. More and more spearos help those agencies by reporting either any abuse, or polluted zones, or whatever might endanger the natural environment.

Drawbacks : the main one is, the rod anglers are completely out of the equation at any time !! And this makes me shout. You have the right to fish from any jetty or pier or boat without a license from the craddle to the grave. Of course, the regulations about sizes and catches are supposed to apply to them, but a hard-to-believe lack of control has driven to the abuses I read about here : brainless teenagers may not fry their one inc fish on the rocks, but they sure catch anything that bites without any sort of consideration ! When I see now more and more jetties like deserts, wrapped in abandoned lines like a fly caught in a spiderweb, I realize the influence the media have on the approach of recreational fishing : if you're a gentle grandfather fishing with his grandson, you have a blank check. If you're this black Ninja with his harpoon, assassinating a ten year old fish, you're not anymore a citizen !
So I join some guys I red here, saying to any anglers or other 'well thinking' persons eager to see all spearos get dry forever : before criticizing any activity, just try it at first. And then, put all the figures in the equation. The big killer is the professional one, let's not forget it (even if he makes that for a living, the facts are here). One day I had been struggling upstream with no fish at my buoy, I saw a fishing boat come in a small bay, surround it with nets and catch more than 7 tons of 'dorades' (sort of sheepshead) in minutes. I'll never catch that weight, all species included, in a lifetime...
Second are the anglers. When you fish from a pier, you can never choose the fish to catch, its size or specie. Most of the ones landed will die, let's not lie to anybody. The hook is in their stomach, and anyway I rarely saw anyone release a fish considered too small...
Far behind, believe me, come the spearos. I don't deny they can have a significant impact on some species in some areas, but that is controllable, it has been far proven in France at least...

That's an external point of view for this american problem, about which I feel concerned (as long as my playground - the entire ocean surface - is concerned too). Friendly bubbles to all.


P.S : speaking about bubbles : I'm puzzled that spearfishing with tanks is authorized here. This is real cow hunting to me !

2nd PS : as for our fresh waters, it's just the opposite : license required, strict controls and time-size-species restrictions. If we started spearfishing in such waters, they would turn to deserts in weeks...

TriggerNJ
07-02-2008, 12:17 AM
it's interesting for me, a French guy living here, to compare that state/federal system to the one we have in France. There, the problem is [u]partly solved this way : there is a mandatory license, yearly and nationwide, that you must get prior to getting wet with a gun. This license can be obtained for free at the local 'maritime affairs' department or thru your fishing or diving club (for a fee, but with more insurance coverage). Along to the polls related to the number of registered persons, some agencies complete data on the fishing pressure.
Advantages : 1. anyone spearfishing is globally far much responsible of his acts, even more due to strict and frequent controls. 2. The species particularly targeted by spearos (groupers, amberjacks, etc) can be forbidden from a few months a year to some periods up to 5 years in a given area. That is supposed to help populations jump back to a reassuring number.
3. More and more spearos help those agencies by reporting either any abuse, or polluted zones, or whatever might endanger the natural environment.

We have regulations and management but without a license right now but this is pretty much what we’re going to be looking at here in NJ. Only difference is spearfisherman and rod fisherman are lumped together as one group. Oh and a fee for the license of course.


Drawbacks : the main one is, the rod anglers are completely out of the equation at any time !! And this makes me shout. You have the right to fish from any jetty or pier or boat without a license from the craddle to the grave. Of course, the regulations about sizes and catches are supposed to apply to them, but a hard-to-believe lack of control has driven to the abuses I read about here : brainless teenagers may not fry their one inc fish on the rocks, but they sure catch anything that bites without any sort of consideration ! When I see now more and more jetties like deserts, wrapped in abandoned lines like a fly caught in a spiderweb, I realize the influence the media have on the approach of recreational fishing : if you're a gentle grandfather fishing with his grandson, you have a blank check. If you're this black Ninja with his harpoon, assassinating a ten year old fish, you're not anymore a citizen !

Here in NJ our anglers are in the equation. Our spear regulations follow our hook&line regulations and we are both looked at as a single group. Although spearing is gaining popularity our numbers have been low enough that the state hasn’t looked into regulating us differently than rod fishermen. We can take the same fish as the rod guys and have the same size/bag limits as they do. Being regulated like other fisherman is the best thing we have going in my opinion. Changes to that could really hurt our spearing opportunities as we’d probably end up on the short end simply because there’s so few of us. It won’t matter how little impact we actually have. I like what you said about media portrayal. This is why I always say show respect and responsibility to all. Being the little guy is great when you’re overlooked but not so great when you end up squashed. I’m sure one of the first fish species they’d take or cut our limit on would also happen to be our most sought after fish. (Hint: the one Clavinr is fighting for up north) Hat’s off to him but I don’t envy what he’s up against.

Enforcement of recreational fishing is a huge problem here as well. While we do have enforcement it’s inadequate to say the least.

So I join some guys I red here, saying to any anglers or other 'well thinking' persons eager to see all spearos get dry forever : before criticizing any activity, just try it at first.


I hope it never gets to the point where people are fighting against spearfishing here in NJ.

And then, put all the figures in the equation. The big killer is the professional one, let's not forget it (even if he makes that for a living, the facts are here). One day I had been struggling upstream with no fish at my buoy, I saw a fishing boat come in a small bay, surround it with nets and catch more than 7 tons of 'dorades' (sort of sheepshead) in minutes. I'll never catch that weight, all species included, in a lifetime...
Second are the anglers. When you fish from a pier, you can never choose the fish to catch, its size or specie. Most of the ones landed will die, let's not lie to anybody. The hook is in their stomach, and anyway I rarely saw anyone release a fish considered too small...
Far behind, believe me, come the spearos. I don't deny they can have a significant impact on some species in some areas, but that is controllable, it has been far proven in France at least...

We have these same arguments going on all over the U.S. too. That's partly what this registration is supposed to shed light on.

I personally am all for getting a better and factual understanding of what recreational fishing pressure actually is here. This could ease or increase regulations on us but at least it won’t be a huge guess like it is now. I firmly believe that the more we know the better off we’ll be in the long run even if we don’t necessarily like what we find out. At least we'll be acting on facts. For instance we might just see how accurate that estimate about "recreational fishermen taking 90% of the tog catch" actually is.

P.S : speaking about bubbles : I'm puzzled that spearfishing with tanks is authorized here. This is real cow hunting to me !

Careful, those are the magic words that make threads disappear into thin air.:D


That's an external point of view for this american problem, about which I feel concerned (as long as my playground - the entire ocean surface - is concerned too). Friendly bubbles to all.

Great to hear an international perspective. I look forward to hearing more. Oh, don't forget to try the striper and the trigger.......second thought try them all their delicious.:beer::D

frenchspear
07-02-2008, 05:53 PM
Hi Trigger,
I appreciated your wise words too. Be all sure here that my intention is absolutely not to make a judgment on any regulations or saltwater activities in the USA. I don't even blame scuba divers for bringing a gun with them. I just said that, from my point of view only, I would have been kind of a serial killer, in many many places where I was just a freediver trying to land some smart fish, if I had had a tank in my back...
Anyway, I find some interesting perspectives in both countries and regulations and I think that a good mix of all that would lead to a dramatically improved management of the resources... and of everybody's pleasure.
Meanwhile, I'm impatient to try my very first visit under your waters, next saturday at the DE breakwater of cape Henlopen. Togs have just reopened and some big mamas have been seen, but I'll go for stripers first. They correspond to our own bass, one of the king fish in French waters. I just hope they are as good to cook... Yours are much bigger in average, that's a very very good start for me !

zag
07-03-2008, 09:04 AM
interesting words here...thank you for sharing :beer:

TriggerNJ
07-04-2008, 12:29 AM
Well said frenchspear, I agree. I think all the points of view and perspective's that mix on this board are very constructive. I was just adding a little joke because past threads on that very subject get interesting and very heated.

Good luck in DE. Post a report and let us know how our fish taste in comparison to yours. I saw a video of guys shooting your bass. They looked liked a tough fish to hunt.

njdiver
07-04-2008, 08:58 AM
The NJ DEP Division of Fish and Wildlife is implementing a new angler survey to collect information on certain marine fish important to recreational anglers. Current data collection efforts for recreational fisheries are hindered by sampling only a small portion of the fishing public and from collecting only minimal data on discarded fish. Information collected through this voluntary survey will provide data which may support alternative management strategies that increase fishing opportunities for the public.

The focus of this voluntary survey is catch and effort from fishing trips in marine and estuarine waters of the state and surrounding areas. For catch information, we are interested in collecting information on the number and size of both kept and released fish.

Thank you for your assistance with this project. Please note that this is a new survey, so the appearance of the survey page may change slightly over time - we hope you'll be a regular contributor. We value and appreciate your input toward the management of our marine resources.

The survey is located at http://www.njfishandwildlife.com/marinesurvey08.htm on the division's website. Anglers are encouraged to submit a survey whenever they return from saltwater fishing.

njdiver
07-04-2008, 10:19 AM
P.S : speaking about bubbles : I'm puzzled that spearfishing with tanks is authorized here. This is real cow hunting to me !

The organization that defends your rights to dive and spearfish in both fresh and marine waters of this State is predominantly represented by divers with “tanks on their backs.” For more than half a century the New Jersey Council of Diving Clubs has represented sport divers at all governmental levels defending your rights of access to both the water and its resources. That we no longer have any representation from breath hold divers is primarily due to their lack of organization. Although there have been attempts to organize by some of your younger members here in this forum, I am unaware of any results. The NJCDC would welcome a group of organized ”spearos”. Being members of the Underwater Society of America we are in a position to “sponsor” individuals or groups to any Society sanctioned competition.

frenchspear
07-05-2008, 09:33 PM
I still read interesting points of view here. NjDiver, I have the feeling some of my word have put you on a defensive position. Be sure I voiced much more surprise than critics here. That's just because in France (and most of Europe), fishing with any artificial air supply is strictly forbidden. But I know the whole organization is pretty different here, and if scuba divers here have the positive influence to help everyone enjoy his passion, then I applause to them !
Anyway, from what I have read and learnt so far, I would say that you can afford fishing with tanks because, individually talking, I think that you Americans are much self-responsible and aware of the high stakes behind every killed fish. The resources management is something serious. In France, measures are more severe also to compensate the acts of a new generation of young spearos or anglers not very aware of the consequences of their actions. Along to this, scuba divers and spearfishermen are often separated (in clubs, but above all, in the public opinion). So the first tend more easily to be the seconds' enemies, which does not seem to be the case here and I like it.

Surveys such as the one launched by the NJ Dept of fish and wildlife are something that would barely exist on a credible basis in Europe now. Because too few people really have the committment to go further than their personal needs and make a little effort for the community. So I will help here if I can.
But it does not start the best way : this is the second week-end my sortie is cancelled. I won't tell you how frustrated I am to still be dry on the shore, mostly when I have a look at the board and your reports, guys !!
So now, my very first time fishing here is scheduled for next week around cape Hatteras. Nice spot, to say the least, but I have no boat. I hope frustration won't be around the corner everyday...
Still post your pics guys, it's the best incentive for me until I can post mine.