Truth in automotive advertising at last?

[otterdiver]

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[aaron proffitt]

I like it...

[Rokket1]

Nice post!!

[jackpine savage]

Except I would put my Ford truck against any Japanese one.

[Travis Jones]

Except I would put my Ford truck against any Japanese one.

Oh really? What Ford truck do you have?

[jackpine savage]

Oh really? What Ford truck do you have?

F150 and never had a single problem with it. I am a general contractor and beat on it regularly. Also use it off road when I am hunting and in the mountains come ski season. My partner has a F350 we use to haul our bobcat and other heavy gear and it is also a top notch truck. Mine is 10 years old and runs great, will be replacing it come the new year with another Ford. GM and Chrysler suck IMHO.

[rojodiablo]

F150 and never had a single problem with it. I am a general contractor and beat on it regularly. Also use it off road when I am hunting and in the mountains come ski season. My partner has a F350 we use to haul our bobcat and other heavy gear and it is also a top notch truck. Mine is 10 years old and runs great, will be replacing it come the new year with another Ford. GM and Chrysler suck IMHO.

Best stick to the F150. The newer big diesel Fords are total turds. And, you have to lift the cab off the truck to do any major work to them; what an epic failure. But the F150 has had a solid long term reliability record for the last 10 years or so.

[rojodiablo]

Otter, I am stealing this, and sending it to everyone I know in Michigan!!!!

[jackpine savage]

Best stick to the F150. The newer big diesel Fords are total turds. And, you have to lift the cab off the truck to do any major work to them; what an epic failure. But the F150 has had a solid long term reliability record for the last 10 years or so.

I am with you on the F150, Toyota makes a nice truck also but I would rather buy an American truck if it is as reliable. I have found my Ford to be a great truck so I will stick with them. I put Nissan in the same category as GM and Chrysler so they are out and Honda, while reliable, is a little to girly for me.

[Marcus]

What you got against the Nissan Titans?

[jackpine savage]

What you got against the Nissan Titans?

A good friend had one and I wasnt to fond of it, he seemed to have problems with it. Plus I didnt like their looks.

[Marcus]

A good friend had one and I wasnt to fond of it. Plus I didint like their looks.

C'mon now...a little more detail please. I haven't heard anyone talk bad of them yet. I like the look and a coworker that owned one had nothing to say but good things. I loved my Nissan pick up I had. It was a great vehicle.

[Travis Jones]

The Ford is about as good as it gets for American trucks right now, but I'd definately take the Tundra over the F150. Nissan shot themselves in the foot with the Titan in '04 when they released it prematurely. The '04 Titan, in my and many's oppinion, was not ready for release. Too many things weren't quite right with it and the consumers suffered. The following years were much better, but the damage had been done in most's minds. The problem for most foreign made trucks right now is that GM will give you an easy $10,000 off sticker. That can be hard to compete with.

[rojodiablo]

What you got against the Nissan Titans?

I don't prefer the look of the Nissan Titans. A bit on the raw, 1940's fighter plane look with the faux rivets and such. But with that aside, Nissan makes a great motor. They are very similar to kawasaki; a brute of a motor, but missing on the other parts a bit.

But the shop truck I used that was a Nissan??? What a nice little workhorse.:thumps:

[zenspearo]

RAM 3500 Van. 160k+ miles and going strong. It's a Roadtrek camping van and hauling heavy weight all its life. No problemo.

Unfortunately, my 2003 Duramax had to go in for 8 injector replacement. $4K bill, but it's under warranty so zero for me. It has only 60K miles. But the engine is an Isuzu design so what's that saying?

I have to say though, we also have three toyotas in the family--all rock solid.

[HurricaneBK]

I have a '99 chevy suburban and an 08 mustang gt and couldn't be happier with either car. The suburban pulls my boat (26ft cc) just fine and has never had a problem with over 160k miles. The mustang well... its a lot of fun even if I do get worse gas mileage than most full sized suvs :)

[patrick]

now lets pit the foreign and domestic dually trucks against each other. oh wait, thats right..... +1 american work trucks!!

ps- my 08 sierra 4x4 is a dream to drive, and its quite capable of going anywhere i want to. only problem is getting all the mud out of the fenderwells, but thats just cuz im too lazy to do it!

[phil herranen]

Best stick to the F150. The newer big diesel Fords are total turds. And, you have to lift the cab off the truck to do any major work to them; what an epic failure. But the F150 has had a solid long term reliability record for the last 10 years or so.

u have got to be kidding . the super dutys weight close to 10,000 lbs and will hang with any stock gas production truck and with a mild programer they have close to 500hp and burn the tires at will. with a non street programer ,and turbo close to 1000h
phil
btw ford sells a f series every 1/2 second in the us only

[rojodiablo]

u have got to be kidding . the super dutys weight close to 10,000 lbs and will hang with any stock gas production truck and with a mild programer they have close to 500hp and burn the tires at will. with a non street programer ,and turbo close to 1000h
phil
btw ford sells a f series every 1/2 second in the us only

I am not kidding. I build truck racks for a shop that has 18 Fords, from F350 to F550 in their lineup. Bone stock, the newer series of Ford diesels are serously lacking in many fronts. Power delivery is low. Service issues are multiple, and expensive. The dual turbo system is not so good, and we see them in the shop all the time. Trannys' seem to be decent, given the loads these trucks are carrying. But then again, fuel economy is 15% LOWER than the Dodge trucks they are replacing the fords with. But, they are less expensive than some of the other trucks, but not by nearly enough to overcome the specific deficiencies I have seen with them. One thing they do like is a chip and exhaust; we see cooler EGT, which is good for the turbo, and with the power settings to mild, we get a slight bump in economy. But that shop runs a $19,500 a month diesel bill, so I am glad I am only watching from the sidelines!!!

[josedesucre]

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Whoever came with this idea picked the wrong truck for the picture. That's a Ford Windstar minivan. I have a 1998 model with over 100.000 miles on her and going as strong as new, with no problems ever. It is still running with the original exhaust system intact, shocks, whatever, and no signs of rust anywhere like some Hondas I see around. Same thing with my wife Ford Taurus 2001, 80.000 miles, never any problem. To tow my boat I have a Dodge Durango 98 with 112.000 miles, which I bought second hand, and runs very well. :cowboy:

[Travis Jones]

Look guys. You can give all the testimonials you want, but that doesn't sway a car guy like myself. I've worked the front lines of the business with thousands of both foreign and domestic vehicles going out and I've watched them come back as trades. I've watched the sway of traffic through the service drives of Nissan, Hyundai, Ford, Chevrolet, Toyota, Honda, Suzuki, Isuzu, Mazda, Mitsubishi, VW, and many others. I've personally been responsible for the reconditioning of countless used vehicles of all kinds. There is no comparing American build quality with Toyota or Honda. Don't even try. A used Toyota will usually have a small reconditioning cost compared to a huge recon cost on a used Dodge, Ford, or GM product. Just because your Dodge or Ford went the distance and made you happy, doesn't mean that it was built as well as a Toyota. As a proud and patriotic American and a U.S. Air Force veteran, I wish it were true, but it is not.

[otterdiver]

Gotta agree with you Travis.

There's not a foreign made vehicle made that can compete with the capabilities of my diesel Excursion but if I were to be buying a car I sure wouldn't be looking at anything the big 3 have to offer.

[Travis Jones]

Toyota is a bit behind when it comes to making vehicles BIG for the common consumer. Until the last Tundra model came out, their previous full size truck was only about 3/4 full size. The Titan pushed the HP/Torque numbers for an import truck and then Toyota ran them over and left them for dead with the new Tundra. I'm mentally resigned to hide from anything that uses as much gas as a Tundra, with an estimated mpg of 13/18, depending on what model you get. But if that's the kind of vehicle you need, the Tundra is very hard to compete with.

In 2003, I went to the launch of the new 2004 Nissan Titan. They had all the competitor's trucks there for us to compare. I drove all of them and liked the Titan the best. It had a ton more power and great handling. Of the domestics available for comparison, the F150, although lacking in power, had far superior handling.

[IRONHEAD]

one thing is for sure, if you need a dually size vehicle you simply cannot get a japaneese made one. I wonder if the big 3 fail what will people buy to replace their f350's and chevy 3500's a toyota certainly will not cut it.

[Travis Jones]

They'll probably just buy a regular commercial grade truck.

[Travis Jones]

Something to think about Ironhead ...

2008 FORD F-350 SD CREW CAB 4X2 hp 362@4750 torque 457@3250

2008 CHEVROLET SILVERADO 3500HD CREW CAB 2WD - hp 312@4400 torque 373@4400

2008 DODGE RAM 3500 QUAD CAB 4X2 hp 330@4800 torque 375@4200

2008 Toyota Tundra hp 381@5600 torque 401@3600

[rojodiablo]

Something to think about Ironhead ...

2008 FORD F-350 SD CREW CAB 4X2 hp 362@4750 torque 457@3250

2008 CHEVROLET SILVERADO 3500HD CREW CAB 2WD - hp 312@4400 torque 373@4400

2008 DODGE RAM 3500 QUAD CAB 4X2 hp 330@4800 torque 375@4200

2008 Toyota Tundra hp 381@5600 torque 401@3600

Travis, the torque/ HP numbers are skewed. The Dodge is putting down a measly 530 ftlb at a whopping 1600rpm. That's 57mph in top gear. And, 20mpg while it delivers it. The Chevy had about equal, and the Ford was only 510 ftlb at peak, which was 1800rpm. By peak, I mean the point where torque is flattening out, and power is not quite spiking for the top end run. I would never even think about spinning my diesel to 4200rpm- that's way over 100mph. And I know, I have done 110 in that truck, and the revs' weren't even at 4,000!!!!

[rojodiablo]

They'll probably just buy a regular commercial grade truck.

I am thinking about the Mercedes motored Dodge space mobile for a new shop vehicle. Whadda they call it?? The Sprinter or something like that??

[Travis Jones]

Yep.http://www.dodge.com/en/2009/sprinter/

[FOWLER267]

now lets pit the foreign and domestic dually trucks against each other. oh wait, thats right..... +1 american work trucks!!

ps- my 08 sierra 4x4 is a dream to drive, and its quite capable of going anywhere i want to. only problem is getting all the mud out of the fenderwells, but thats just cuz im too lazy to do it!

Put a yard sprinkler under it and let it run.