San Diego venue for next MLPA meeting

[tmaas]

San Diego divers,
Eric and I will be attending the next meeting in San Diego. We will be glad to meet interested divers on Tuesday evening. Here are the particulars:Where: Holiday Inn - On the Bay
1355 North Harbor Drive
San Diego, California

and via simultaneous webcast on the day of the meeting at http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/meetings_sc.asp <https://owa.resources.ca.gov/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/meetings_sc.asp>


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California Marine Life Protection Act Initiative
South Coast Regional Stakeholder Group
Proposed Draft Agenda
Revised December 30, 2008
Tuesday, January 13, 2009 at 9:30 a.m.
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 at 8:00 a.m.
Holiday Inn-On the Bay *
1355 North Harbor Drive
San Diego, California
Members of the public are invited to attend the meeting in person or view and listen to the meeting via simultaneous webcasting on the Internet, and may view an archived version approximately two days after the meeting. Please visit the MLPA website at www.dfg.ca.govmlpa/meetings_sc.asp for more information. Meeting materials will not be provided at the meeting but will be posted to the MLPA website as soon as they become available.

Public participation: The public will be invited to offer comments on the work of the MLPA South Coast Regional Stakeholder Group (SCRSG) at approximately 12:30 p.m. on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 and at 12:30 p.m. on Wednesday, January 14, 2009. Speaker cards are requested and may be found at the entrance to the meeting room. Note that the public comment period is for comments specific to the MLPA South Coast Regional Stakeholder Group; comments related to other MLPA Initiative activities or groups should be directed to those bodies or MLPA staff.
Meeting Objectives


* Review, discuss and potentially adopt regional goals and objectives
* Continue joint fact-finding for next version of regional profile
* Receive informational briefings on key topics
* Receive presentation of south coast guidelines and evaluation methods
* Outline strategy for and initiate marine protected area (MPA) proposal development process
Meeting Agenda - Tuesday, January 13, 2009
Note: The stakeholder group will break for lunch at approximately 11:30 a.m. and public comment will be taken immediately after lunch at approximately 12:30 p.m.
I. Updates
A. MLPA Master Plan Science Advisory Team
B. Tribal Forum and Other Outreach Activities
C. MLPA Blue Ribbon Task Force and California Fish and Game Commission
II. South Coast Regional Goals and Objectives (Part 1)
D. Overview of Regional Goals and Objectives
E. Discuss, Revise and Potentially Adopt Goals and Objectives
III. Guidelines and Evaluation Methods
F. Presentation of Science Guidelines and Evaluation Methods
Mark Carr, MLPA Master Plan Science Advisory Team
G. Presentation of Evaluation Method for Goal 3 of the MLPA
H. Presentation of California Department of Fish and Game Feasibility Guidelines and Evaluation Methods
IV. Geographic Areas of Importance (Part 1)
I. Plenary Session Addressing Two Questions: 1. What geographic areas and specific locations within the study region are important to you that you want other SCRSG members to know about, and why? 2. What geographic areas do you want considered in the MPA planning and design process?

Meeting Agenda - Wednesday, January 14, 2009
Note: The stakeholder group will break for lunch at approximately 11:30 a.m. and public comment will be taken immediately after lunch at approximately 12:30 p.m.
Review agenda for Day 2 and questions from Day 1
II. Part 2: South Coast Regional Goals and Objectives (continued from Day 1)
J. Consider Final Revisions of Regional Goals and Objectives (If needed)
K. Potentially Adopt Goals and Objectives
V. Informational Presentations on Specific Features of the MLPA South Coast Study Region
L. Oceanographic Features in the South Coast Study Region
John Largier, MLPA Master Plan Science Advisory Team
M. Water Quality in the South Coast Study Region
Dominic Gregorio, MLPA Master Plan Science Advisory Team
N. Marine Birds and Marine Mammals in the South Coast Study Region
Dan Robinette Susan Chivers, MLPA Master Plan Science Advisory Team
VI. Marine Protected Area Planning
O. Regional Profile for the MLPA South Coast Study Region
P. Additional Information for MPA Planning
Q. Ecotrust Fisheries Uses and Values Project
Charles Steinback, Ecotrust
VII. Developing Marine Protected Area Proposals
R. Description of Components of Draft Options for MPA Arrays
S. Review Iterative Process and Timeline for MPA Proposal Development
T. Process for MPA Proposals Submitted External to the Regional Stakeholder Group
U. Present Work Group Assignments
IV. Part 2: Geographic Areas of Importance (continued from Day 1)
V. Identifying Areas of Geographic Importance - Breakout session addressing a series of questions:
1. Where are important areas for habitat representation, ecosystem protection, and sustaining marine life populations?
2. Where are important areas for consumptive recreational and commercial activities?
3. Where are important areas for non-consumptive recreational and commercial activities?
4. Where are important areas for educational, cultural and study opportunities?
VIII. Next Steps and Preparations for Next SCRSG Meeting
1. Recap science and policy questions from today's meeting
2. Review objectives for upcoming work sessions and meeting #4
Adjourn


Terry Maas and Eric Kett

[Kelsea]

Alex and I plan to go to this meeting and will be commuting from OC. If any spearos want to carpool with us - please send me or Alex (Ryddragyn) a PM. We have room for two others in our small coupe.

[zenspearo]

I'll be there as well and look forward to meeting everyone. I think the plan was to grab some dinner Tuesday night in the vicinity and everyone is of course welcomed to join.

[tmaas]

Let's plan on meeting for dinner Tuesday after the first day. Does any one know a good place close by? We need a place large enough for us to discuss in private.
Terry

[zenspearo]

3 minutes away is Kansas City BBQ of Top Gun movie fame (the bar scene).

May not be the quietest place but it's Tuesday night and pretty convenient (and may be of some interest to movie buffs).

610 West Market Street
San Diego, CA 92101

http://www.kcbbq.net/

[rhyne]

I'm not able to attend the meeting, but will be listening in via the internet stream. I'd be game for meeting up with everyone for dinner if it is an open invite...just name the time and location if everyone's welcome.

[Tino Bernazzani]

If you cannot attend the meeting personally,
the least you can do is write letters showing diver support as well as voicing your concerns.
I cannot be there but I will make sure to write a letter as well as inspire others (family included) to write their own.:thumps:

[zenspearo]

Okay, I called Kansas City BBQ and they have either a private room or a private section for about 10-18 people (private room not guaranteed but they will do their best for privacy).

I pointed out that it's a pseudo-legal discussion so privacy is important and put it under my business name (IP Group) since my staff will follow up and make sure the space is ready for us next week. Tuesday January 13th at 5:30PM.

Terry: Does this seem okay?

If anyone has any better venue, please let Terry or I know. It's not in stone but it's the one I know and have followed up on.

Thanks Terry for motivating people to attend this.

Joe.

[tmaas]

Okay, I called Kansas City BBQ and they have either a private room or a private section for about 10-18 people (private room not guaranteed but they will do their best for privacy).

I pointed out that it's a pseudo-legal discussion so privacy is important and put it under my business name (IP Group) since my staff will follow up and make sure the space is ready for us next week. Tuesday January 13th at 6:30PM.

Terry: Does this seem okay?

Joe.

Perfect! See you there, say meet sometime between 5 and 6 and dinner at 6
Terry

[zenspearo]

Perfect! See you there, say meet sometime between 5 and 6 and dinner at 6
Terry

Okay, I'll modify the reservation accordingly. Meet at 5:30PM and dinner at 6PM.

[zenspearo]

Update: We will have a private room at Kansas City BBQ on Tuesday night. Ask for Joe Nguyen's party. The restaurant is about 3 minutes from the MLPA meeting site.

Spearo get together starts at 5:30PM (mix & greet & drink). Dinner at 6PM. This is for Tuesday night, January 13, 2009.

Kansas City BBQ
610 West Market Street
San Diego, CA 92101

http://www.kcbbq.net/

[Kelsea]

Joe, thanks again for arranging the meeting place.

I feel we all had a very productive and informative discussion and I am looking forward to future meetings where more specific plans will take place. It was great to meet some new faces and finally meet some key players in all of this. Plus, it was just a great time hanging out at a sleazy BBQ joint w/ over-the-shoulder-boulder-holders dangling from the ceiling fans.

Paul - thanks for keeping me awake during the discussions!

I took away many lessons from today's meeting... some of them I still need to digest and think about for a while... but here is the one take home message that I see is the most important, so I'll just quote verbatim:


If I could impress upon people to remember one thing, what we are asking for is for EVERYONE to have access to the entire ocean. Personal enjoyment, livelyhoods, and food gathering are very simple things, and we want to see them allowed for everyone. Not just for peripherial users, and not just for those who can afford to buy their access. We would like to see access for EVERYONE who utilizes the ocean in its' many different ways.

Please think of the big picture here..........:cowboy:

[zenspearo]

Terry and Eric did the heavy lifting.

They were there discussing MLPA issues with divers after a long long meeting day and they have the next day to go to.

All thanks go to those and others (and you too Kelsey for taking day off work, making the long long drive down and showing up).

[rojodiablo]

Today's meeting was very informative. You could see some interesting things starting to happen. There will be a time and place to get in depth about the particulars, and I was happy to get the support from those who showed up. Today, we had very little representation.:wtf: I must say, there were a lot more various different interested parties there today. :scratch::whistle:
I am not knocking anyone for not going. You feel you are too late in the game to be fully involved. You feel your voice won't be heard. You got ass-reamed by the process last time, and you don't want to waste your time all over again. You feel you are too young, and inexperienced to be an integral part of the process.:rules:
I humbly suggest to you that none of these things are true, unless you let them become true. Emotion is a driving factor in much of our lives. ( It's....winter....) and it can be frustrating to think that you are outnumbered, and outgunned. Thankfully, much of this process is guided by a combination of factors-science, user input, stakeholder input, economic and enviromental factors are weighed. Also, there is the NAVY. They have some say in the process too. One thing I can tell you is, though you may not put up the best defense all alone by yourself, you stand to lose a lot if you don't get behind your representatives, and do your best.

You have a lot to lose. An enviro-nazi has nothing to lose. Why do I say this?? They don't use the ocean to near its' potential, they derive nothing from it other than intristic value. So really, they have nothing to lose swinging for the fences. If they strike out 100%, they still have the same old ocean to go look at, and doodle around with some seals, hopefully to get bit and suffer rabies. If you lose your fishing access, you are screwed. You become an instant part of the problem, buying commercially caught fish, instead of an integrated part of the ecosystem as a whole, when you catch your own food.

I have a LOT of points to go over with you, some direction we can definitely push the program, and at this time, I am ready to go with both barrels loaded. This is a different fight than last time. We have learned a LOT. In a few days, there will be an appropriate way in which we will be discussing all this. I need some PM's from a few people, namely the group who was there Tuesday to start. Joe, Volker, Mike, Kelsea, Rhyne, Alex, I will be PM'ing you tonight with some discussion points. And we will move from there.

[ladvr]

Did Paul Weakland(Sp?) show up for the meetings?

[rojodiablo]

Did Paul Weakland(Sp?) show up for the meetings?

No, interestingly enough. ANd I must say....thank God for that.:knees:

[Kale]

Today's meeting was very informative. You could see some interesting things starting to happen. There will be a time and place to get in depth about the particulars, and I was happy to get the support from those who showed up. Today, we had very little representation.:wtf: I must say, there were a lot more various different interested parties there today. :scratch::whistle:
I am not knocking anyone for not going. You feel you are too late in the game to be fully involved. You feel your voice won't be heard. You got ass-reamed by the process last time, and you don't want to waste your time all over again. You feel you are too young, and inexperienced to be an integral part of the process.:rules:
I humbly suggest to you that none of these things are true, unless you let them become true. Emotion is a driving factor in much of our lives. ( It's....winter....) and it can be frustrating to think that you are outnumbered, and outgunned. Thankfully, much of this process is guided by a combination of factors-science, user input, stakeholder input, economic and enviromental factors are weighed. Also, there is the NAVY. They have some say in the process too. One thing I can tell you is, though you may not put up the best defense all alone by yourself, you stand to lose a lot if you don't get behind your representatives, and do your best.

You have a lot to lose. An enviro-nazi has nothing to lose. Why do I say this?? They don't use the ocean to near its' potential, they derive nothing from it other than intristic value. So really, they have nothing to lose swinging for the fences. If they strike out 100%, they still have the same old ocean to go look at, and doodle around with some seals, hopefully to get bit and suffer rabies. If you lose your fishing access, you are screwed. You become an instant part of the problem, buying commercially caught fish, instead of an integrated part of the ecosystem as a whole, when you catch your own food.

I have a LOT of points to go over with you, some direction we can definitely push the program, and at this time, I am ready to go with both barrels loaded. This is a different fight than last time. We have learned a LOT. In a few days, there will be an appropriate way in which we will be discussing all this. I need some PM's from a few people, namely the group who was there Tuesday to start. Joe, Volker, Mike, Kelsea, Rhyne, Alex, I will be PM'ing you tonight with some discussion points. And we will move from there.

Well put. Thanks for fighting the good fight. :thumps:

[Tino Bernazzani]

Very well put Paul and 100% correct. :thumps: