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Old 05-06-2018, 10:33 AM   #1
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Small id bands dyneema knots popping out

As the title says, Iíve had some pretty bad luck w the small id bands; basically 1:2 of the times, the dyneema knot pops out. Iím pretty certain itís not the constrictor knot, as Iíve been doing the same double constrictor for years and reviewed other vids online too. Never had similar problem w/conventional rubber. I use the regular double overhand knots, and tried to triple it but then it becomes impossible to pass them through the tiny holes !

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As the title says, Iíve had some pretty bad luck w the small id bands; basically 1:2 of the times, the dyneema knot pops out. Iím pretty certain itís not the constrictor knot, as Iíve been doing the same double constrictor for years and reviewed other vids online too. Never had similar problem w/conventional rubber. I use the regular double overhand knots, and tried to triple it but then it becomes impossible to pass them through the tiny holes !

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How thick is the line youíre using? I was using 1.9mm stiff dyneema tied in a overhand knot and never had any issues. Got tired of making them so Iíve since switched over to the plastic inserts that Petros sells.


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How thick is the line youíre using? I was using 1.9mm stiff dyneema tied in a overhand knot and never had any issues. Got tired of making them so Iíve since switched over to the plastic inserts that Petros sells.


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1.9mm stiff dyneema.


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Re: Small id bands dyneema knots popping out

Thatís crazy. I never had an issue doing it that way and i cut em to 380-400% i would just try doubling it up and then put a drop of shampoo on the hole so it goes in easier. Donít use any silicone or anything like that as it wonít dry and then you could run into a pull out issue. FYI those plastic inserts work really well!


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Thatís crazy. I never had an issue doing it that way and i cut em to 380-400% i would just try doubling it up and then put a drop of shampoo on the hole so it goes in easier. Donít use any silicone or anything like that as it wonít dry and then you could run into a pull out issue. FYI those plastic inserts work really well!


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Thanks, Iíll try that today. Iíve been putting a drop or 2 of marine grease in order to insert them, maybe thatís the problem.


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Definitely the problem there! Also that grease doesnít like latex either. It will degrade it quickly!


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Re: Small id bands dyneema knots popping out

just a few drops of diluted soap...
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Small id bands dyneema knots popping out

I just wet the knot in the mouth and it pops right inside the small ID band without a struggle. Never had one slip either.
This year Iím going for a insert though, my gun eat wishbone dyneema like the Cookie Monster eat cookies, and I want to be able to replace the line easier than re-tying the bands all the time.
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Re: Small id bands dyneema knots popping out

I use water as a lubricant. Dip the wishbone knot in the water, dip the rubber in the water and jam it in. Alcohol and soap both dry out rubber and cause premature degradation. Silicon never dries and stays slippery forever. BTW, I double the line and tie a double overhand knot when using 1.8-9mm dynema...makes a larger knot. Just trim the excess.

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Old 05-07-2018, 09:56 AM   #10
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Re: Small id bands dyneema knots popping out



Those are the type of knots / loops Iíve been using.
50:50 chance of having them slip through ...



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Those are the type of knots / loops Iíve been using.
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Exactly the kind I use.


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Re: Small id bands dyneema knots popping out

I second the plastic inserts that Brandon mentioned. They are so quick to insert. There is no need for any tools. Just place the plastic insert pointy end up on the workbench, lube or wet the small id band material and push it down hard on the insert. Tie your constrictors and your done. It is easy to replace wishbones and the inserts are reuseable.
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Re: Small id bands dyneema knots popping out

I've had good luck with a drop of epoxy on the knot to be inserted (when I don't have inserts)or the inserts ..
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Definitely the problem there! Also that grease doesnít like latex either. It will degrade it quickly!


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What he said. I use fabric softener. Works very well and goes away pretty fast.
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