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08-22-2017, 09:32 AM | #31 |
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Majd, I thought you were going to sit this thread out? If you can't let us discuss and learn about Inverted Poliplast Rollers from someone who knows more about them than 99.999% of spearfishermen yourself included, then please stay out of the discussion. A lot of us want to learn about these systems from people like Mr. Seal, Mr. G, Mr. Pan, Mr. Alemanni.. who have spent endless hours learning about these Power Systems. Really the only thing I know about these Power Systems is that if you don't have the Bands set up exactly the right way there can be a huge difference in Performance. I'd like to learn more. You already had your chance to drag Seal's name through the mud many years ago. Since then, he has spent 365 days per year improving. If you were not happy with the gun he sent you should have immediately returned it. To spend years using every opportunity to stain his reputation is wrong. Among us builders and gun designers, Seal has our Highest Respect. I wish I knew what he knows.. He is definitely pushing the design of Spearguns in many ways. You see other incredible work for example those Twins Mr. G posted today. Pure Excellence. But what Seal is doing is to a different level as he is developing a new process of manufacturing Spearguns and incorporating new Power Systems into them. Ofcourse his mind also extends to triggers etc. He wants to build what he sees in his mind. From there he'll fine tune it and improve it. This is called being a Visionary. With the Resources of Pathos, or Salvimar, or Omer, or Cressi.. Mr. Seal's vision would bring their companies Up and their resources would bring his creations up.. Please don't turn this thread into an attack on Mr. Seal. You have already had your chance to do that. Enough. This Thread is about a Power System which is being demonstrated as having a Power performance gain over a classic set up. Many of us are very interested in learning more. Nobody wants to see your old pictures etc. So please either join the conversation in a positive way or Sit This Thread Out.
Mr. Gecko, Marc Alexander (Z1taz) is literally one of the most experienced Spearfishermen and in particular Bluewater Spearfishermen in the world. He also is a gun designer. He comes from a Spearfishing Culture. He can bring a very Field Test oriented experience to these discussions. It is ironic to think that this thread is more likely to be closed than the multiple threads spewing hatred and racism in other sections.
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08-22-2017, 09:37 AM | #32 |
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Back to the Test.
Mr. Seal, how much does this gun weigh?
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08-22-2017, 10:02 AM | #33 |
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@Jon ... I would have sat this one out if it wasn't for you ... you might not be interested in the photos but others are. Mind you I am not posting everything just the trigger ... someone mentioned Patek Phillipe and all. I am glad you pointed out that this was about a POWER SYSTEM design ... not about Mac Giver skills. As for dragging someone's name in the mud ... I didn't see you get all freaked out when he called me a liar and faking the tests ... and not knowing the secret formula to load the bands. That didn't seem to bother you. Again I ask ... why not put some of those triggers on your guns?? As for your friend ZZ (not surprised you are friends)... every forum needs their forum clown. I like the "literally one of the most experienced Spearfishermen and in particular Bluewater Spearfishermen in the world" ... are you really serious ??? according to who ?? you?? or him maybe ?? ... but let's say that is true ... what the **** does that have to do with a POWER SYSTEM speargun test? This is getting confusing as BS usually is. You want to say something, tell me which part of the test I faked ... which photo I posted is false ... where I lied etc... But you are still in your smoke and mirrors phase ... a sucker is born every minute and you want to make sure it stays that way.
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08-22-2017, 10:04 AM | #34 | |
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And yes, I am aware of his accolades (and his spearing charter business) but as has been pointed out by others, too that's just exceedingly rare what he shares here. Cheers, David Last edited by Diving Gecko; 08-22-2017 at 10:36 AM. |
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08-22-2017, 10:15 AM | #35 | |
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Look ... if you know what you are getting and accept it ... that is absolutely fine. But you know what to expect and are willing to accept that. Now someone who hasn't seen or tried the gun will totally be depending on all the hype from the videos posted about capabilities that are not there. That just is not fair for someone who is going to fork out a lot of his hard earned money thinking that he bought something that will disappoint. In other businesses you do have independent testing ... but somehow with spearguns ... nobody dares say anything as they will get mercilessly flamed. I have thick skin and am willing to call out BS when I see it. Sure it pisses off gun builders and they will get all vocal and defensive, but in the end they will learn something and their next gun will be better. |
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08-22-2017, 10:49 AM | #36 |
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Re: More about the inverted polispast rollers
If that is a true picture of the mech in the gun, its a piece of shit!
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08-22-2017, 10:57 AM | #37 | |
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Humiliation goes a long way.... I wish Seal would share more, instead of how he posts here. If he would educate us a little more about what he does and how he does it (in relationship to guns) instead of boasting his guns are the best, I would be a bigger believer. Majd has done more to further guns than anyone in the last few years. That's not to say others haven't but, he has shared more with the masses than anyone lately. We should all look inside and ask ourselves what we have done to help the cause. (myself included) |
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08-22-2017, 11:17 AM | #38 |
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The Real Question here is: How does an Inverted Poliplast Power System compare to a classic set up regarding performance. (Power, Range, Accuracy, Complexity, Field Use, Maintenance, etc) And what are the parameters ie Guns under 140cm total length, Guns over 140cm Total length.
Mr. G, could you share some videos as well? Or Data regarding the Inverted Poliplast Power System? Majd, I do think you are being a Jerk here. We're trying to discuss and learn about a Power System for a Speargun with Experts in that field. You seem to be intent on personally attacking a builder. Of alll the people in this world who you would think would be interested in a 110cm Gun which passes Your Tuna test at 6mtr.. I would have hoped that you would have been interested to learn more. PS. Z1taz certainly is one of the most experienced bluewater spearfishermen in the world and it's obvious from the pic he sent that he is in a position to offer some input. Majd, don't feel bad, I would say that you are certainly one of the most experienced pool spearfishermen in the world. You have your Pool right there in your backyard. Why not go out there and take a few shots showing a classic banded gun the same length as Mr. Seals passing the same test?
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08-22-2017, 11:24 AM | #39 | |
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Hi What would the price for the gun be? Also is this the most powerful gun you have? Can you ship it immediately to Europe. I will be in London for xmas and new year and it would be great if it could be shipped there. thnx Majd This was the most powerfull gun I had and I could ship in that verry moment in a hurry.I missed some things like better finish on the trigger and place to atach a booster band,becouse was pushed with the time.Thats why I normaly never accept time limits. Next thing-You offered that first we will discuss your tests and aproove before publishing,i never asked for that.But it never happent! Of course I will not publish any videos or test results unless you OK it first. What size shaft @8.5 will it use? Is it 160cm? Will try to wire 1600 euros today or tomorrow. Will be in London on 26 th late afternoon and leaving Jan 10 mid day. So please let's make sure it arrives no later than Jan 7 to give a few days just in case. If it arrives before or after those days there will be nobody to receive the package. Thanks, Majd I could change,replace or even refund that gun,since you felt disappointed.This is customers right.You never asked for this!Actually I was the one looking for comunication,wich doesnt make sence. Your last words to me after all your tests and publishings was: Nice guns ... no doubt you have a good skills. Majd So what is finally the truе,Majd?Somehow I cant understand,becouse first time I meet such weird attitude.You say you dont trust me,but i never lied for anything,althought you are always twisting the facts.And your contradictions are unbelievable,so why should we trust you? Please tell us what is the real reason for all these contradictions and lies??? It is not normal to make somebody compliments in private and say so shitty things in public!Thats ridiculous! Now about that perticular gun:It has the longest trigger I make-19 mm.Here only the housing is manually cut from a square inox profile.The other trigger case-14 mm and all other trigger parts,including your trigger parts I drew personely by software and order a laser cut.After that I polish them by hand.The parts on the pictures are not polished and you can see the laser traces.Changing the contact surfaces manually I can make one trigger working 1000 different ways.I hanged on that trigger a weight about 500 kilos without any damages.Im planing a video with an industrial weight measure in a local factory specially for you! The spring is made by top quality inox spring steel wire,that dentists put in your mouth! The only things that your gun needed extra was better finish of the trigger that i didnt have time and extended pin for the front rolls,with holes to install a booster band.Its on the picture.Thanks to you I found that the ordinary polispast like yours needs a booster band,to take some of the pressure on the rolls and help them give their full speed potencial.I am making а copy of your gun now to show what I meen. However,I personelly prefer the inverted polispast platform,becouse Its doing well with less bands and I anyway I dont use shafts more than 8,5 for the Mediteranean. After your comment about the quality of the rolls,I tried many different from other brands and found that not everybody have an idea about tech. polymeres.Now Im back again to mine.I use a perticular CH polymere with molybdenum adition specialy for such aplications.Do you think they look less garage made when the frames are laser engraved??? Can you also please meet me with those famous bulgarian spearos you are talking about? Becouse on the last competition of the local spearfishing federation,2 from the first 4 places was using my guns and I know everybody.The local Pathos dealer and bigest importer of many spearfishing brands is using my gun everywhere.I dont talk about all other people and friends.I thing you are wrong with the country! And I think you should also stop questioning the the craftmanship of the whole American speargun industry.As you see by yourself,people have different taste and standarts for comfortly killing of fish! Last edited by seal77; 08-22-2017 at 12:01 PM. |
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08-22-2017, 11:50 AM | #40 |
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2 fishin 2.. I would disagree... Sure. Majd has tuned some guns in his pool. But is he in the same class as Alemanni, Roi, Seal (for his input in Design and Manufacturing of fully composite Rollers), the builder of the Pneumatic Roller, etc. etc. etc... Hardly. Those guys are inventing Wheels.. Majd is figuring out better treads on those Wheels.. But yes. It is true. All Builders feel a deep disgust when a Tuner badmouths another skilled Builder.. I mean I can recall someone speaking poorly of Alemanni.. For the love of god.. who amongst us has a head so swollen to speak ill of someone who has truly done so much to further Speargun Development, and done it with such craft? Alemanni.. Seal.. who is next?
Regarding those mech pics. That is a Hand built mech. There is surface rust on 316. The inside of the Square Tube has a rough seam. There has been some Hand Filing to the Housing to allow for a better clearance. Would I have buffed it out more? Yes. But who knows.. Majd was trying to make him look bad with these pics. Could be some Smoke and Mirrors and shadow catching going on here too. I'm sure Seal's Mechs have improved since then. He could always build one of his guns around anyone else's mech.. But nobody else can build his guns..
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08-22-2017, 12:25 PM | #42 |
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Everybody (famous gun builders included) can be criticized. Maybe spearfishing gun makers take it more personally than they should because the companies are usually one-man operations and have the builders' name attached to the brand.
Does Majd have a right (or even obligation) to criticize the workmanship, design, etc. of a gun? Absolutely. I don't know if the way he did it I agree with 100% but when you sell something and put it out in the world, you need to be open to all kinds of criticism. This feedback will lead to better made guns in the future if not only from the ensuing dialogue. I know I've learned a lot about gun designs from Majd's posts. There might be other people advancing speargun design, but they have a commercial interest in keeping those advancements a secret. Majd spent a lot of time on these tests and he published the results for everyone to see, all without pay. I think that deserves applause, so maybe we can go a bit easier on him if we don't agree with the way he's criticizing certain guns / companies. I think it's very cool that Seal builds all the parts himself rather than buying off-the-shelf parts. However, this also comes with the added risk that the parts won't work or look as good as off-the-shelf parts and may take away from the gun as a whole. In the Seal gun that was received by Majd, clearly the finish of the trigger parts could've used more work. |
08-22-2017, 12:35 PM | #43 | |
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Jon 1) G is G and me is me 2) G was my partner for long time and i am now mostly retired from guiding even if i still help in his clients to achieve all the process to come here to spear with him . 3) G will never post any videos unless he ll use the gun to shot big fishes as usual and he /we are waiting to receive the shafts i did order for this seal 130 as the ones i gave him (8,0 spring steel ) are not nice enough, he did found my spring steel shafts were littlely bend where the fins were welded curving a little bit the shafts , so G being a real pro ( not like me ha ha) he wont use the shafts. 4) G does not participate to any forum/boards as it is a lost of time , i do time to time just for the fun to read some idots thinking they are who they are not . 5) and on the side from this , anything could be said on me , i do not care , if nice well thank you if not nice i laugh because my humor sense is still good about what some could bla bla bla ! rgds Thank you Jon |
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Mr. Alexander, sorry for the confusion, I was referring to G-Spearguns.
I know you is Marc, and G is your best friend. I know G is together with one of my friends, Poema who really is one of the nicest people I've met. So I figure you must not be so bad either. I think some friends will be coming to visit soon. Ofcourse I do appreciate and I am interested in the work Majd does regarding Speargun Ballistics, tuning, etc. I'm interested in all Speargun development. Aside from all of this BS.. Question for Seal and Mr. G, Marc, any of you with experience with Rollers, Inverted, Poliplast etc.. If I was going to use one Roller Power System for a Bluewater gun with the goal being distance shooting ie killing fish at 7-8mtr+ which Power System would you suggest? And what do you think is the requirement for length of the stock of the gun? That's the Real Question we all want to answer here.
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AND What features exactly are to cause the shaft to exit straight without deviation with roller and polyspast systems? (As cleverly mentioned by Majd previously as such an important feature. ) Sent from the abyss |
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