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Old 04-22-2018, 01:06 PM   #91
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I do not care. My original post here before you began to attack me on a personal level was a statement on the waste of time that is trying to convert aged individuals dead set in their beliefs to the opposite extreme. I can tell you we do not see eye to eye on most issues, but have common ground on some. I don't come here to have my mind changed or to change others. It's really weird to come to a spearfishing board as someone who doesn't participate in the hobby and grandstand. I picked you over the other racists threads because you're most likely not a 45+ year old person and maybe you would understand why trying to convert people here isn't a practical or possible idea. It's just so pointless. Let them do their thing. There's like 10 of them tops who cares.

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Old 04-22-2018, 01:16 PM   #92
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There's like 10 of them tops who cares.

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Id hope so. If thats true, than you are right and I'm just wasting my time.
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Old 04-22-2018, 01:22 PM   #93
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I honestly stand by what i said, that the fact that the only time you began to speak in the P&R form was to argue against the sole voice of reason, is telling.

Im sorry man but it seems like you are the average classical liberal who passively believes in achieving justice, and may even vote for blue politicians with the hope of achieving some reform. But that average liberal doesn't see how democrats are complicit in the rigged system.

IDK what else to say because i could prove to you how you agree with practically all of my beliefs. How if i get reaaaall intricate in the description of my opinion, i can sort out the nuances and show you that we agree on most issues.

And so ultimately only wedge between us is your perception of my "neoliberalism." but my "neoliberalism" is just the ideals of the democrats, but actually played out, which you somewhat already claim to agree on? it seems like you and i disagree w/ big dems because of their hypocrisy mostly?

I can prove to you we agree

OK, this guy is a paid troll. You're naive if you don't believe these creatures exist. He's supporting the Soros globalist agenda.
“If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind?”
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Old 04-22-2018, 01:29 PM   #94
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I can tell you we do not see eye to eye on most issues, but have common ground on some.

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And i guess im "wasting my time" but i disagree. We agree on most issues, and don't see eye to eye on some.
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Old 04-22-2018, 05:12 PM   #95
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You're trying to push social justice shit on a bunch of old men. They don't give a flying ****. You're just as toxic as they are on the opposite end of the spectrum and you can't even see it. I don't agree with what they post. I don't agree with what you post. You act like you know me and these people and you can draw conclusions from these short text posts. Just stop man its weird as hell. I don't drink the punch from either table, I'm not a toxicly masculine individual, I have classic liberal views and fiscally conservative opinions. When I say liberal I mean socially liberal not this neo liberalism shit you spew so don't get too excited.
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Old 04-22-2018, 05:29 PM   #96
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Okay Schmuck, let's stop your BS now - You can't really believe this garbage. Either you're dumb as a rock, or more likely, some wannabe young activist idiot...

Time to explain who and what you are unless you're too chicken to stand-up. Who are you and where is your affiliation, El Horse Cuck...

People can't be this f'kn dumb. Even my kids at 8 wouldn't be this idiotic.
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Old 04-23-2018, 01:11 PM   #97
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My original post here before you began to attack me on a personal level was a statement on the waste of time that is trying to convert aged individuals dead set in their beliefs to the opposite extreme.

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I understand that. Ive said it time and time that the idea is not to change their minds, but to provide an alternate opinion on this P&R forum.

So you are kinda exemplifying why I'm here. Because people who would normally have normal moral opinions (there shouldn't be fish kills every year in FL, police brutality is bad) end up lurking boards like this with absolutely zero counter arguments.

So you say you don't come here to change your mind, but you lurk the P&R board? Well how much? You see thats the problem, people lurking in unfiltered hate boards. Whether you come here to change your mind or not, it happens, unless there is a counter voice pointing out the propaganda/ conflicts of interest.

Go on "rich and vibrant culture" 3 times a week, I'm telling you your racial biases will get worse.

It seems to me like you have a problem with the existence of P&R on a spear board thread to begin with. like did you just happen to go on P&R for the first time when i started?? or what.
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Your Gender and Skin Color Have No Value

I try to stay in the real world. It may not be nice but the rules are known and it is merocratic. Typically if I work hard, I am rewarded hard. I'm fully aware that things aren't always fair. I am aware of the existence of luck and chance (both good and bad). And I do not blame anybody but myself when I make mistakes or make successes. But the best thing about living in the real world is it is sane. It may not always go my way, but at least I understand WHY things are happening. And by following this "real world political ideology" it confers upon me sweet and blessed sanity.

But then I got a peek into the world of academia. A world where gravity does not pull down. Your chromosomes do not determine your sex. Being lazy should be rewarded. And nearly all of its participants have NEVER set a toe in the real world. There's many a-strange things going on there, and the participants in academia are suffering from their insanity. But one of the stranger things my buddy told me about in academia was a veritable and actual "hierarchy" among the liberal arts departments where the more disabilities you had, the higher ranked you were.

I'm sure most of you are familiar with the concept of this "Professional Whiners Arms Race."

A white male who is straight is the lowest ranked member in this world.
You get a leg up if you happen to be female.
You get another point if you're not straight.
You get another promotion in if you're not white.
You get an extra added bonus if that race is black.
Yet another point if you're neither straight, nor gay, but one of the 40 imaginary genders that's been made up in the past 2 years.
Another point if you're physically disabled.
And another point if you're mentally disabled.
And if you can pull off all 8 of the above, you can add the cherry on the top of simply not being Christian.

And though most of us in the real laugh at this veritable bigotry, hatred, and insanity, the participants in academia take it VERY seriously.

You LITERALLY DO have more clout, more cache if you're a lesbian black woman who's disabled, than if you're a Latina straight woman (no matter how great your communist credentials).

You LITERALLY DO have more pull and value in the organization if you're a phlebosexual female Zoroastrian, than if you are phlebosexual MALE Zoroastrian.

As long as you can prove you are more of a mental, faux-disadvantaged nut case than the other guy...sorry...gal...sorry...zher, you will get preferential treatment in terms of hiring, made-work jobs, professional status, social standing, and, ideally, money.

But there is a message I would like to pass on into the world of academia. The world of education. The world of the media. And any other insane world where people's gender, skin color, who they want to ****, and what they identify as is viewed as being meritorious and valuable.

Traits don't have value.

I'm going to say it again, in case you didn't get it the first time.

Traits, including yours', have no value.

And the reason traits have no value is two fold.

First, traits produce nothing of value. Me being white, my buddy Richard being black, and my friend Kari being female produces nothing and offers nothing of value to anybody. However, my buddy Kahn (gay) DOES produce something of value for society. Not because he prefers to suck dick over bang pussy, but because he's an architect. He builds beautiful (and safe) buildings that will house people, house businesses, provide something aesthetically pleasing for the public to look at, and save some money for the owner in energy efficiency.

I produce value in authoring a suite of books that, for what meager price I charge, will save you easily 100's of thousands of dollars in the future, not to mention decades of your life. This is regardless of me being white or liking girls with big titties.

And then there's my buddy Atham. You in academia may be masturbating to the fact he's Mexican, and certainly you would give him more scholarship money and job offers than his white, straight counterpart. But him simply being Mexican does not offer society anything of value. He DOES however produce value in that he is a window washer and an engineering major. He in all truth and reality produces more value in a single hour washing windows than all of the humanities and liberal arts professors do in their entire "careers."

The real issue to understand with value is that it's a lot like beauty - it is not unto yourself. It requires the acknowledgement and demand of other people. You can't simply say "I'm beautiful" because it is other people (namely the opposite sex) that determine whether you are or not. And "value" is the same thing. Until you produce something of value that other people want, you are by all technical definitions a worthless human.

Second, you do nothing to earn your traits. You're born with them. Or perhaps you choose them. But not one person in the world of academia's Disability Oppression Arms Race Industry has expended a calorie of energy "earning" their coveted traits. They were simply born with them or lazily chose them.

Good for you. Your dad was black. Your mom was black. They ****ed. And you came out.
No value.

Good for you. You hate religion. You're from a poor family. You're a lesbian. And you got a really neato tattoo to signify what it means to you.
No value.

Good for you. You're a straight white male...BUT...you have the ADHDHDAspergerAustism-itis AND you can't shut up about being an atheist?
No value.

All of you lack the work, toil, challenge and effort it takes to actually ACCOMPLISH something. To achieve something of greatness or just tangible worth. And while you think you're being clever substituting your effortless traits in for hardship, toil, labor, and effort, it is in eschewing those things you deny yourself the galvanizing experiences that forge great people. You don't start a business. You don't employ people. You do not pick fruit. You don't even babysit. You mentally masturbate over your traits (both real and imagined) because actually accomplishing something is too hard. And thus you waste your life as an unmentionable and unaccomplished person.

What's really going on here is clear as day to anybody who isn't a low IQ moron or conformist. You're all too lazy to work jobs. You're all too sad and pathetic to carry your own weight. But you can't very well come out and say, "we want the rest of you people to be our slaves so we don't have to work real jobs." And so you make way for academia where the canard that "college students and college professors are smart" protects you from the non-critical-thinking person's eye. American sheep vote in "more money for education" because you "just can't put a price on education" and you financially rape young American students of their tuition money for completely worthless and bogus degrees. Even more vile you create and concoct entirely new and fabricated traits so even more people can get into the racket (it is no coincidence 435 genders and I would also contend ADHD, Autism, Aspergers, etc. were created so spoiled white kids from the suburbs could also play the victim game). But the worst thing you do is cowardly hide your laziness and parasitism behind your traits, accusing anybody who accuses you of being a fraud an "ist" or an "ism." Lucky for you most people are just too stupid too see through this Professional Victim Whoring, and those that do are often times too tempted by the easy work-avoidant life of being a professional victim whore themselves.

I am completely confident that the future will entail even more academics, students, and other work-fearing people. I have no doubt academia will continue strong as you continue to endebt poor kids up to $150,000 for a degree in "Transgendered African Disabled Poetry" or convince Tanner "The SWPL" Swanson that he has social anxiety disorder, is disabled and is thus entitled to other people's money. The sweet lie of a work-free life is very tempting and most Americans are too lazy and stupid to refuse it.

But there is a cost and it was what I referenced before. Sanity.

To keep up the lie, especially in academia, not only do you have to spend an inordinate amount of time making it look like a profession, what microcosmic bits of genuine thought or intelligence have to be stretched out over a 4, 6 or 8 year degree. Worse, if you wish to continue in academia, your thesis and "research" has to be on something new. It's hard enough to write a thesis and do research, but it's impossible to do so on a topic of true nothingness. Alas, if you read any syllabus or course description of any humanities or social science class it is a painfully verbose and euphemistic explanation of absolutely nothing.

But where the professional victim academic whores really drive themselves insane is where their fear of work is so strong, and their desire to be validated unsatiable, they will actually live the lie to the point of brain damage and insanity. The Seattle councilman who actually thought sidewalk sprayers were "racist." A 9 year old who thinks he's gay. Professors who want genocide. And an increasing number of professional victims who purposely make themselves ugly and mutilate themselves. What minuscule, short, finite blip of life they had on the planet is not only a wasted one, but a tortured one.

There are all people of all colors who work hard and produce something of value.
There are all people of all genders who produce great works and will leave society better off when the first arrived.
And there are all people of all mental states who raise good families, have good careers, and have good lives.

But none of them for once thought their traits were of something of value or the reason for it.

Only the Professional Victim Whores of Academia and the fools that believe them think that. And they pay a very dear price.
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