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Old 09-27-2017, 06:32 PM   #1
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Hello!

A dive buddy and I were wondering the legally of creating artificial reefs. I know that dumping in the ocean is probably illegal. But what about using cinder blocks/non-toxic materials with the intention to create more houses for fish and coral to move into.

This idea of ours came up when we were diving for lobsters on grass/sand ledges struggling to even find any lobsters, all the holes were empty. Then we stumbled upon an artificial man-made reef. It was LOADED with lobsters and we caught our limit. It seemed like the lobsters really liked the protection, I guess in the ledges its too easy for them to get caught/killed/eaten. This reef was very well made, it had a center that was unreachable by us, and I could tell they would spawn and protect the small lobsters there. There were corals attached to the cinder block walls and metal pieces. Also little reef fish, such as blue tangs, some grunts, squirrel fish, some I cant name, etc were all there too!

Imagine if we could recreate these lobster/fish houses all around miami and the keys, I am talking like 1,000 of these houses. They would help the lobster numbers so much. Plus the corals and smaller fish species seem to like them too. I think there is so much space because alot of parts of the ocean floor are just barren. There is just sand or grass for miles. These reefs would provide more opportunity for fish and corals to live and thrive.

Its time we create more real estate under the sea. If we want to sustain our fisheries how can we do so if we keep destroying our natural reefs and leave all species that are dependent on stable reefs to die.

(Please respond if you care about our fish/lobster and coral populations!)
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Old 09-27-2017, 08:05 PM   #2
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Ever heard of lobster hotels or casitas? That's what you're referring to and they are highly illegal to dive on or make.
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Old 09-27-2017, 08:10 PM   #3
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Ever heard of lobster hotels or casitas? That's what you're referring to and they are highly illegal to dive on or make.
True statement...
BUT WHY???
Like he said..if there were thousands ( or 10's of thousands) of them all over the place the lobster population would be HUGE...
and What would be wrong with that?
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Old 09-27-2017, 08:43 PM   #4
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(Please respond if you care about our fish/lobster and coral populations!)
Since today's FWC meeting was cancelled,,if you truly care about fish and lobster will you meet me at the December 6-7 meeting ? You can google it if you are serious.
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Old 09-27-2017, 09:04 PM   #5
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True statement...
BUT WHY???
Like he said..if there were thousands ( or 10's of thousands) of them all over the place the lobster population would be HUGE...
and What would be wrong with that?
Because of lobbyist for commercial lobster trappers and NOAA

This has been discussed on the board before but to summarize, back in the height of lobster hotels, commercial divers started to catch as many lobster as the trappers were and they got mad. They put a limit on lobsters for commercial divers but not for trappers. Sadly, a lot of commercial divers continued to catch way more than their limit and mad a lot of other divers look bad. Hotels make it easy to catch a large amount of lobster quickly and make a lot of money in the act of doing so. The government doesn't like people making easy money.


And there were thousands of them, lots of them were removed and a lot are still out there.
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Old 09-28-2017, 07:03 AM   #6
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Since today's FWC meeting was cancelled,,if you truly care about fish and lobster will you meet me at the December 6-7 meeting ? You can google it if you are serious.
Where is the meeting at? And what is the topic about?
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Because of lobbyist for commercial lobster trappers and NOAA

This has been discussed on the board before but to summarize, back in the height of lobster hotels, commercial divers started to catch as many lobster as the trappers were and they got mad. They put a limit on lobsters for commercial divers but not for trappers. Sadly, a lot of commercial divers continued to catch way more than their limit and mad a lot of other divers look bad. Hotels make it easy to catch a large amount of lobster quickly and make a lot of money in the act of doing so. The government doesn't like people making easy money.


And there were thousands of them, lots of them were removed and a lot are still out there.
This is ridiculous. I can't believe it just always comes down to money. Why can't we ever have nice things. I don't think politics should be involved in our ocean activity. At the end of the day, if we keep up the way we are treating the ocean, it will be gone within this generation's time. Sad.
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Old 09-28-2017, 07:11 AM   #8
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Since today's FWC meeting was cancelled,,if you truly care about fish and lobster will you meet me at the December 6-7 meeting ? You can google it if you are serious.
I tried to google it and nothing came up. I need the details! It might be tough for me to make it though seeing that I am in law school and Dec. 6-7 I got finals to get through but I will try nonetheless.
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The next meeting is Dec 4 in Gainesville

Here's the main page.
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Oh lol no way. I am in Miami, not going up to Gainsville mid exams week.
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Oh lol no way. I am in Miami, not going up to Gainsville mid exams week.
If Marcus were here he would explain to you this is part of a master conspiracy...they know you are in mid exams week and are intentionally holding hearings where you can't make it to them.
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If Marcus were here he would explain to you this is part of a master conspiracy...they know you are in mid exams week and are intentionally holding hearings where you can't make it to them.
that's why hes going to use that fancy law degree to fight the system man..
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Hello!

A dive buddy and I were wondering the legally of creating artificial reefs. I know that dumping in the ocean is probably illegal. But what about using cinder blocks/non-toxic materials with the intention to create more houses for fish and coral to move into.
A major problem with a DIY artificial reef is that the structure (cinder blocks, building materials) is mobile. Any coral that attaches to the blocks is doomed because a storm will roll them around, maybe even into nearby natural reef structure. You could potentially be killing more coral than you're saving because that same coral could have ended up someplace safe and not on the cinder blocks. This is why most artificial reefs are giant stones that would be extremely difficult for someone to emplace without a barge. I'm all for artificial reefs, I think that we need more of them especially in deeper water (It doesn't do much good to put them in 30 feet of water and post the numbers on the internet). Anyways, I'm sure the state is in no hurry to repeat a disaster like the Osborne Reef but, if you could solve the mobility problem then maybe you could be on to something.
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Old 09-28-2017, 06:21 PM   #14
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If Marcus were here he would explain to you this is part of a master conspiracy...they know you are in mid exams week and are intentionally holding hearings where you can't make it to them.
haha oh noooooo!
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Fond memories of diving the keys and finding Ice Cans. They were everywhere.
Usually full of lobsters. Illegal Today.
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