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09-13-2013, 02:02 PM | #31 |
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Re: Lobster Advisory Committee Meeting Outcome: 9/11/2013
Any discussion of a Mini Season in CA?
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09-13-2013, 05:24 PM | #32 | |
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Having said that, divers who have to get in the cold water and catch them by hand shouldn't be punished because of a change in hoop netters who just sit in a boat or whatever. Just my opinion. Just my thoughts...Thank you for protecting this resource and our rights. |
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09-13-2013, 08:28 PM | #33 | |
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Re: Lobster Advisory Committee Meeting Outcome: 9/11/2013
None. We have a long season. It would be too complicated to split the season, it would add a lot of confusion; nobody wants any more headaches than they already have.
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Kinda like police setting a radar trap, and everyone follows the 50mph speed limit. But then, they lower the speed limit to 35, and viola! They are catching speeders. Yes, we did think of these kinds of scenarios! Blue Man; we are cool. It was never proposed to us to be a slam dunk contest when we signed up. We knew there was a lot to really digest when trying to think forward. I'd like to think we as a whole did a pretty good job of getting that part included with the program we worked on.
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09-16-2013, 09:17 PM | #34 | |
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09-16-2013, 11:23 PM | #35 |
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Simple. Hoop net growth has been exponential over the last 10 years. The number of divers has stayed stable, and actually shrunk. At this point, the averages are pretty telling on volume and take overall. The issue is, and will be, what to do about growth in the future of the sport, and how will this affect the lobster population over time.
In the case of places where there is no commercial take allowed, it has been noted repeatedly how the quality of the fishery is showing signs of diminishing. Also, it has been noted with places like Catalina, how much commercialization has been taking place, and can not be readily accounted for, nor easily stopped with current enforcement rules in place. My first 2 proposals are aimed at illegal commercialization as a primary factor. Secondary is diver safety. Third is navigational safety improvement. My 3rd proposal is aimed at the future of hoop netting, and allowing for growth in the sport without overcrowding certain areas, like breakwalls. Furthermore, if the growth were to stay near the levels it has been for the last 10 years, the volume of fishermen, their take, and the illegal take that comes along with it will need to be addressed. By cutting the number of hoops allowed, this will relieve pressure for quite a few years, and at that time, management assessments will be able to take up the slack, and if there is a need for corrections on gear restrictions, then it can be addressed. I would rather see the fishery remain open to all who wish to go after lobster. I really do not want to see a system of lottery draws or first come, first served lobster cards. To achieve this in the future will mean we have to look at options of how to maintain the recreational fishery, while accounting for growth.
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Paul. I remember you saying a while back that they are going to change the language so we will be able to POSSESS a speargun while we lobster dive, we just can't USE one to hook lobsters. Do you know when this new language will take effect? Do we have to wait until 2015/16?
Would be nice to know as we get closer to lobster season... |
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09-16-2013, 11:56 PM | #38 | |
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09-17-2013, 12:07 AM | #39 |
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Thanks Paul. good words as always.
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Furthermore, what data are these proposals based on? How much illegal commercialization takes place today? How much will it be reduced if your proposals are adopted? Quote:
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/lobsterfmp/assessment.asp Freedivers should not be proposing rules that only effect hoop netters. How would you feel if a hoop netter proposed a lower bag limit for freedivers? We should work together in order to protect our common fishery and prevent over-regulation. Right now it feels like each group is trying to increase their share of fishery at the expense of the other. The only interest that wins in that game is the DFW, who get an increased budget with all of these regulations. http://www.opc.ca.gov/webmaster/ftp/...inylobFMP_.pdf |
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09-17-2013, 12:16 PM | #41 |
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Many thanks to all who helped represented our interests!
It's great to hear that Claudette is doing such a great job on this - she's awesome |
09-17-2013, 12:24 PM | #42 |
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xiv014, really?
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From the link you posted, I am not sure if you READ it clearly: " Hoop nets have become popular in the recreational fishery since approximately 2005. By 2007, hoop nets accounted for 80 percent of the fished gear based on a bight-wide recreat ional creel survey. Over this short period of time, the more efficient conical hoop net was also introduced and is becoming the net des ign of choice among recreational fishermen. Recent lobster report card results suggest that the recreational take adds an additional 30 to 60 percent to the commercial catch. " Thats 30-60% of: "The commercial fishery has consistently harvested 660,000 lbs (300+ metric tons) each season. " So, of that recreational take that makes up that 30-60%, hoopnets take up a significant volume. Other important facts: "However, the (recreational) cards do not include the number of nets used, nor the amount of time spent fishing. " "The recreational hoopnet fishery represents the greatest unknown facing this assessment, in that hoop netting has only become popular in the last few years, and manufacturers in this time period have introduced the more efficient conical form of the net. The recreational fishery has also moved from a being a predominately dive-basedfishery to one that is hoop net-based. Since we only just started collecting data on the recreational fishery we have no way of knowing where in this transition period we are. We assume that we will eventually be dea ling mostly with efficient, conical hoopnetting across the bight. We are also seeing more instances of charter boats running hoopnet cruises." Reference: https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.a...68&inline=true Translation; data is insufficient, but tje data from hoopnetters in recent years has shown that this method of take is incredibly effective, with numbers that far exceed diver catches. With increasing popularity of hoopnetting, and more effective equipment, the data from 2011 with be a stark contrast to that of coming years. The goal is to make rules that account for this growth. Hence, the rule proposals made by the freedivers towards the hoopnetters. Bear in mind, many freedivers here also use hoopnets themselves, or their families do. These rules affect us too. Quote:
And thats OK. Its good that you are asking questions and participating. But it would be nice to see a report from you with a dead fish.
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09-17-2013, 03:22 PM | #44 |
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lol Kelsea, you're almost too nice.
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09-17-2013, 05:24 PM | #45 |
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Re: Lobster Advisory Committee Meeting Outcome: 9/11/2013
I still don't understand the rush. It's a healthy fishery. Huge areas have been shut down forever. They think they are going to increase the return rate for
Lobster bs cards. Why not wait for some concrete info before acting? This is not going to end well for us. When they have our guy convinced they need to add more regulations to stop poachers from breaking the regulations, we are screwed. The only question is how bad will it be. I am much more concerned with lobster fishing being regulated out of existince, then lobster being over fished. I am afraid my grandchildren will miss out on the joys of catching and eating fresh seafood. I hope I'm wrong, but it's not looking good. |
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