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Old 04-12-2014, 05:47 PM   #61
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Re: Standoff In Nevada: Another Federal Siege Against The Innocent

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When the people realize that our court system is bought off and that our corrupt politicians facilitated it....well, repercussions well happen. The first step is educating the populace. Nothing will ever get done when ignorant citizens go to the voting booth believing the BS that's being fed to them by big money and the MSM propaganda backing it.
And the major tool of just that - keeping us informed is in the process of being obfuscated... the internet is a pain in the ass right now but the NSA has a plan yes? Why has suddenly, my well protected PC fumbled "infowars" videos/locking up with stack feed errors? Just today actually...
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Old 04-12-2014, 06:02 PM   #62
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You know sometimes you sound like Bill Moyers.
Don't know who he is. I stopped watching the MSM a long time ago with no regrets. I find the alternative real reporting w/o the gov't driven agenda so much more informative/satisfying. I scan the MSM news occasionally to see what they're up to (reading between the lines).
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Old 04-12-2014, 07:04 PM   #63
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Don't know who he is. I stopped watching the MSM a long time ago with no regrets. I find the alternative real reporting w/o the gov't driven agenda so much more informative/satisfying. I scan the MSM news occasionally to see what they're up to (reading between the lines).
He's not MSM. Google Moyers Report. Sometimes he hits it right on. His show brings in guests, many who want to take money out of politics and corporate business out of our food
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Old 04-12-2014, 07:32 PM   #64
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He's not MSM. Google Moyers Report. Sometimes he hits it right on. His show brings in guests, many who want to take money out of politics and corporate business out of our food
Sounds pretty level headed. I'll have to check his out. You should add him to the "real journalist" thread if he's deserving as such.
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Old 04-12-2014, 09:03 PM   #65
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http://news.yahoo.com/militia-member...030813408.html

Done deal. For now.
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Old 04-12-2014, 09:10 PM   #67
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Well I doubt that would have happened without all of his supporters showing up. Good for them
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PER INFOWARS:

"The Bureau of Land Management, whose director was Sen. Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) former senior adviser, has purged documents from its web site stating that the agency wants Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s cattle off of the land his family has worked for over 140 years in order to make way for solar panel power stations."
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Old 04-13-2014, 11:42 AM   #70
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Here's what started this stand off. There's going to be more and more of these until the citizens start pushing back against this agenda.
This woman does a great job of explaining what Agenda 21 is all about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-qLUQlmBk4#t=21
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http://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshal...7_12032007.pdf

Read the article Fitz. The Supreme Court has voiced its opinion numerous times concerning the federal ownership of lands. While I don't always agree with the Court it's the law of the land.
Good read, thanks JP. But, legal opinions are like assholes everyone has one. There are a hundred others that disagree.
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Wow...in case you missed it, here's a very dramatic end to this. Stuff that movies are made of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=bD61YFxUga4
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Old 04-14-2014, 06:12 PM   #73
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Exclusive: Sources Inside The BLM and Las Vegas Metro Say Feds Are Planning A Raid On Bundy Home

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Mack said that he had been told by Bundy that the federal government is actively shutting down the ranching industry, specifically in Clark County. He also revealed that there used to be 53 ranches in Clark County. All of those ranchers have been put out of business, except for Bundy who is still trying to hold on. “Every American should be outraged by it,” said Mack. The ranch has been in Bundy’s family since 1877.
There's your Agenda 21 right there. That's some BS.
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Who actually “owns” America’s land? A deeper look at the Bundy Ranch crisis

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NEVADA, April 12, 2014– Turtles and cows have absolutely no relevance to the situation in Nevada. Does the Constitution make provision for the federal government to own and control “public land”? This is the only question we need to consider. Currently, the federal government “owns” approximately 30% of the United States territory. The majority of this federally owned land is in the West. For example, the feds control more than 80% of Nevada and more than 55% of Utah. The question has been long debated. At the debate’s soul is Article IV, Section 3, Clause 2 of the Constitution, which is know as the “Property Clause”. Proponents of federal expansion on both sides of the political aisle argue that this clause provides warrant for the federal government to control land throughout the United States.


The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States….

Those who say this clause delegates the feds control over whatever land they arbitrarily decide to lay claim to are grossly misinterpreting even the most basic structure of the Constitution.

It is said the Constitution is “written in plain English”. This is true. However, plain English does not allow one to remove context. Article IV does not grant Congress the power to exercise sovereignty over land. Article IV deals exclusively with state-to-state relations such as protection from invasion, slavery, full faith and credit, creation of new states and so on.

Historically, the Property Clause delegated federal control over territorial lands up until the point when that land would be formed as a state. This was necessary during the time of the ratification of the Constitution due to the lack of westward development. The clause was drafted to constitutionalize the Northwest Ordinance, which the Articles of Confederation did not have the power to support. This ordinance gave the newly formed Congress the power to create new states instead of allowing the states themselves to expand their own land claims.

The Property Clause and Northwest Ordinance are both limited in power and scope. Once a state is formed and accepted in the union, the federal government no longer has control over land within the state’s borders. From this moment, such land is considered property of the sovereign state. The continental United States is now formed of fifty independent, sovereign states. No “unclaimed” lands are technically in existence. Therefore, the Property Clause no longer applies within the realm of federal control over these states.
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Why do you guys think the Fed needs to own so much land??? If it is our land then how come it's so hard to utilize it for it's public resources?? Why should we have to pay to utilize it?? We've already paid for it. I think the whole thing is absurd!
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