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Old 09-10-2015, 10:41 PM   #1
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US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gender ones, and results were bleak

The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gender ones, and the results were pretty bleak

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In 2013, the US military lifted its ban on women serving in combat. Shortly after, the Marine Corps began what it calls an “unprecedented research effort” to understand the impact of gender integration on its combat forces.
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Old 09-11-2015, 06:51 AM   #2
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In 2013, the US military lifted its ban on women serving in combat. Shortly after, the Marine Corps began what it calls an “unprecedented research effort” to understand the impact of gender integration on its combat forces.
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Old 09-11-2015, 08:44 AM   #3
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Jeez, that's a real surprise! All this time I thought women were more or less men, but with boobs and other appealing recreational features.
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Re: US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gender ones, and results were ble

The hunt for "gender equality" is going to cost a lot of servicemen their lives.
I also don't think america is ready to watch what ISIS/other terror groups would do to female POW's.
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Old 09-11-2015, 01:36 PM   #5
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Re: US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gender ones, and results were ble

I don't have a strong feeling either way about women in combat positions but this particular assessment seems way flawed; at the end of the article they mention that most of he men in the test had served combat tours while the women were are newly graduated from training, with no deployments or combat experience?
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Old 09-11-2015, 08:50 PM   #6
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I don't have a strong feeling either way about women in combat positions but this particular assessment seems way flawed; at the end of the article they mention that most of he men in the test had served combat tours while the women were are newly graduated from training, with no deployments or combat experience?
Right. That must be exactly the reason that one half of the NBA is not female. If they just had a few seasons on the court, they'd be jamming like Lebron.

Seems reasonable to me.
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I don't have a strong feeling either way about women in combat positions but this particular assessment seems way flawed; at the end of the article they mention that most of he men in the test had served combat tours while the women were are newly graduated from training, with no deployments or combat experience?
Women who do tours deployed forward have a very, very high rate of exit from service at the end of their commitment. It takes a lot out of everyone who deploys to combat duty, of any kind.
Women get home, and the natural course of life happens; they find a guy, get married, and/ or pregnant. Many come home to switch service for another field they now qualify for, so they are not really a good physical example to test. (Take a clerical/ desk/ tech job, your boots grow dust)
New female recruits who are volunteering, and looking for a challenge were the ones in the test. No one reluctant to serve and forge ahead was chosen, for obvious reasons.

Men in service are under intense pressure to remain if they were competent in the field. A pretty high retention rate, and a very high rate of multiple deployments. The women were paired with these male soldiers because they wanted to give them the advantage of not training with exclusively 'green' males, purely because field experience is part of the curriculum, which a gunny can not impart on an individual basis the way working teams actively will.
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IN the end, it's no surprise. Unless you live in a Hollywood fantasy, the real world does have serious defining lines in physical capability- and in the end, that is what fighting boils down to- the ability to be stronger, on all fronts than your opponents.
This does not mean fistfights and rucking 90lb packs all over hell and gone. It's a combination of those kinds of exertions, to repeated working under heat, serious duress, mental fatigue, and then on top of that..... heavy work.
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Also, do not discount one of the real factors here: Injury. The women were much more prone to being injured, and their performance dropped significantly. Once the fatigue sets in, then the injuries start. The women usually were doing pretty well up to that point, but the difference is the injuries came quicker to the women, and then they were at a serious disadvantage, and they were less able to maintain the higher level of performance, and less able to recuperate.

This scene plays out in sports where women directly compete against men, and in the physical workplace jobs where women are placed in the same roles.
Another contractor company had a couple ladies go thru the crews, and in the beginning they did fine, but as time wore on, well- pipeline equipment is all HEAVY, and there is a lot of safety gear that has to be worn, from heavy nomex coveralls to breathing apparatus, to (yes) boots which are heavy, and then the ladies' performance would drop a bit. And once that happened, gravity and mass conspired against them. Wen they got injured, it was harder to return to that level of performance without re-injuring, so most times they came back for a short while then moved to less physically demanding positions, or on to different lines of work.

That's not unfair worksite practices, it's just physics and physiology.
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Thank the PC crowd for the stupidity.Men and women ARE different.If a woman can do a mans job the same I have no issues with it.But you put a 90# girl on a fire department and expect her to pull me out of a burning building with her gear on and mine?Somebody is going to die or get seriously hurt to keep some femnazi happy.
A lot of the SF guys leave because of wore out bodies.These are guys are the best our military has and they succumb eventually to injuries from training or ops.Sooner or later the PC crap needs to stop.
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Old 09-16-2015, 06:54 PM   #11
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Good luck with that. The pussication of our military is intentional, IMO. It's kind of like the dumbing down or our kids via the common core curriculum. Everyone gets a trophy.
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Did they lower the standards/requirements to join for women? So they perform worse statically... 50% of the men perform worse than the other 50%. If the requirements are the same who cares or what difference does it make?
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Did they lower the standards/requirements to join for women? So they perform worse statically... 50% of the men perform worse than the other 50%. If the requirements are the same who cares or what difference does it make?
Umm. Where did you get your numbers? What 50% of male Marines in the FMF perform lower than the rest? If that were the case they would pretty much be combat ineffective which has never happened, ever.
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Umm. Where did you get your numbers? What 50% of male Marines in the FMF perform lower than the rest? If that were the case they would pretty much be combat ineffective which has never happened, ever.
Basic statistics. I didn't specify how much worse they were. example: 50% of NBA players are worse than the other 50% of NBA players. They are all still NBA players and really good.
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Why on earth would anyone care if they were "really good? All that matters in the NBA is if they can beat the other team.

What the study proved was that Marine squads with women got their tails handed to them in every measurable way versus the all male squads.

I'm not sure how anyone could think the difference is not important. In professional sports, the cost of being in the lower 50% is measured in championships and millions of dollars. Would any sports owner on earth tolerate a manager who didn't think that was important?

In war, the cost of performing at lower than optimal levels is injury, death, and (possibly) defeat. What is the meaning of "really good" if you are dead or injured if you failed to perform the task assigned?
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