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03-25-2017, 05:11 AM | #16 |
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Damn! That's a good looking collection of carbon!
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03-25-2017, 05:21 AM | #17 | |
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You are talking about only one perticular model of my guns created 7 years ago,and I have 10 different models now,wich Im building completely alone with bare hands,making everything as my spearfishing practice shows me. I dont know what you mean 'less than impressive',since that gun passed the dreamed Majds 6 meter penetration test and put 5 shots in one hole,althought a little lower than he is used to shoot with Abellans.And this is with 8 by only 160 shaft. Here are some SUBJECTIVE less than impressive tests from 6 years ago with the same gun.These are 4 serial shots with 8 by 170 hand made shaft and a hand made sliptip on 10 sm XPS board.And this is simple one stage loading of twin 16 mm bands,I bet faster than the Albacore.The target was new and almost clean,you can even count the holes in it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iMZmf4z0gQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iiquq06jJJs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYEutW2bm-4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LtktOdlMCY Then I made these tests for myself and my friends,not to show them in public.So you are not obliged to believe or comment... By the way in the moment i have new things to show really in public.Just need some patience.I want to break that myth for complicated rollers,difficult to load and use. Rollers can be clean,simple enough,easy to load and verry smooth.To shoot such gun and not expect a horse kick is a pleasure.This gives confidence and better accuracy,especially for people who doesnt shoot hundred times every day. The fact that a rollergun has couple of parts more than other guns doesnt mean its complicated.I firearm has 100 more parts but people still commend their lifes on them. Last edited by seal77; 03-25-2017 at 06:36 AM. |
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03-25-2017, 07:29 AM | #18 | |
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03-25-2017, 08:34 AM | #19 |
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I was looking at Captain Bly's videos of his 50" single band roller and it seems to shoot really well. However, it isn't pool shooting, it's killing fish. The videos are on his Instagram.
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03-25-2017, 08:48 AM | #20 |
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Nice Tests Seal. That's 2011.. I know you've learned a Lot since then too.
Yes. Those VideoOcean tests were great. I wonder if they will do a repeat to show improvements? Isn't there a Pool Shooting Championships in Europe? I have trolled a number of the Italian and Greek forums, and there are a bunch of claims which use video/sound to show some very high Shaft Speeds from Rollers. 30mtr/sec+ One day it will happen.. I've heard over and over about how there's no video test showing a Rollergun outperforming a Classic banded gun in a controlled Static Test.. I've also never seen a Controlled Static Test of a good 4-5 Band Gun tuned up for Tuna shooting 35'. But... one day someone will take the time and document and then it show how silly some of this has been..
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03-25-2017, 09:02 AM | #21 |
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Popgun pete. Is there a rule of thumb when stepping up in both shaft and band thickness for a roller?
I have a 110 roller gun (carbon barrel) with 7mm shaft and 16mm bands. Do the standard principles apply for upgrading to a thicker 18mm/20mm band and a 7.5mm shaft (i.e. Cutting the rubber at half the length of the barrel after adding 5cm in length) |
03-25-2017, 12:07 PM | #22 | |
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I don't mind being proven wrong. I just want to use the gun that shoots the furthest and most accurate, while still being as maneuverable and easy loading/simple as possible. I just hear so much noise and babble without any simple proof. |
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03-25-2017, 12:20 PM | #23 | |
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03-25-2017, 01:01 PM | #24 |
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Justin you're always so confrontational, and always twisting things around.
Today I'm making 4 band guns. You can use them with 3 or 4 bands. These weigh 10lbs. This is how they shoot. https://vimeo.com/205819907?ref=fb-share&1 https://vimeo.com/206671038?ref=fb-share Those guns were made in here a month or so ago. First time they used them. I don't have a good video of a Pool Test on this exact model, but when I set it up for Tuna it does whack targets at 30'. In the above two videos I had the guns set up with 4 bands at lower stretch but very smooth release, not for max distance we would use for Big Eye and YFT up here. Seal looking forward to see your next creation.
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03-25-2017, 01:34 PM | #25 |
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I seem confrontational only because I try to stay off of these threads but my BS meter gets too full to do so. Curious, if you haven't pool tested those guns, how do you know they can "whack targets at 30'"? Showing a video of a 12' stone shot doesn't prove that at all. Also, what did I twist around?
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03-25-2017, 01:43 PM | #26 | |
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My primary target was to increase my eficiency of hard spearfishing in Mediteranean by encreasing eficiency of the guns,not only the personal skills. And I think I managed to do this my way.I have dived in several places arrownd the world,but trust me the Mediteranean is haaard... The easyest way was just to copy some famous European brands and save lots of efforts,I could take the best from all,but there always was missing something.All these things took me to the present situation. The idea was to create a light slim design gun that shoots a heavy shaft comfortably,without recoil and with repetitive grouping of the shots in variable conditions nearly 30 m\s.More than that the shafts we are using become unstable.Folowing that idea I made and tested quite a lot different models and systems,finaly today i stick to one. People who know closer my work will judge did I manage or not. |
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03-25-2017, 04:16 PM | #27 | |
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03-26-2017, 12:47 AM | #28 |
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I shoot a single band roller gun. It works for me. I enjoy it.
I think 20 or 21 of 22 kills in this video are on said roller.
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03-26-2017, 07:54 AM | #29 | |
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I fair comparing test would be to change the roller muzzle with a single 16 mm band.And see if its able to penetrate those sweet fishes.I bet not...becouse i have tried it |
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03-26-2017, 08:45 AM | #30 |
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Mr. G, those guns can be used with 3 or 4 bands depending on how tight you want to tie the bands. Those are 68" Threaded (+ 4-5" for Slip Tip) 8.75mm shafts. They carry a lot of KE... 90lb Wahoo Skulls are thick. But those guns were made more specifically for Longer shots on Yellowfin and Big Eye Tuna.
Seal it would be a more fair comparison to compare that to a 2 banded classic gun? I figure might be a fair comparison to a 140cm total length 2 banded gun running 2 x 16mm bands and a 5/16" Shaft? As a point of reference we can get good range and accuracy @ 22'+ from the muzzle using such a gun. Justin. Why you always Fat Shaming everyone? What do you care if guys like to use Classic American Wooden Mid Handles? Not everyone is diving 150'. Those Mid Handles are great, Stable, Simple, Consistent, platforms which are proven to put the MEAT on the deck. We also make some nice Slimmer Rear Handles. But man if they weigh one lb more than what you are using you'll be jumping around like Richard Simmons.
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