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Old 05-11-2013, 11:48 PM   #1
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Ever wonder why homeschooling is so popular?

It's because the public schools are nothing more than homosexual recruitment centers.

STATE ORDERING GIRLS' LOCKER ROOMS OPEN TO BOYS
Homosexual former teacher pushes bill through state assembly
May 10, 2013
by DREW ZAHN


The California State Assembly passed a bill Thursday mandating schools permit boys to play on girls’ athletic teams and utilize the ladies’ locker room if they gender identify as girls – or vice-versa for girls identifying as boys.

The bill’s author, openly homosexual San Francisco Democrat Tom Ammiano, has been an activist for lesbian, “gay,” bisexual and transgender, or LGBT, issues for decades and reportedly became in 1975 the first San Francisco public school teacher to make his homosexuality public.

Ammiano later co-founded an LGBT organization with Harvey Milk, the homosexual activist about whom Hollywood made a recent feature film and California schools celebrate an annual day of remembrance.

Ammiano told the Los Angeles Times some parents may be uncomfortable with their children sharing bathrooms with students of a different sex, but he said, “It’s also important to protect our children from prejudice.”

“There’s no trampling of other people’s rights,” he said. “There’s a recognition that other people have the same rights that you do.”

Ammiano cited the case of Eli Erlick, a high school student in Mendocino County who was born male but identifies as female. Ammiano said Erlick was prohibited from participating in girls’ gym classes while in middle school and noted that Erlick’s parents testified in favor of the bill.

By a vote of 46-25, carried without any affirmative votes from Republican lawmakers, the California Assembly passed the bill, AB 1266, which amends Section 221.5 of the state’s Education Code as follows: “A pupil shall be permitted to participate in sex-segregated school programs and activities, including athletic teams and competitions, and use facilities consistent with his or her gender identity, irrespective of the gender listed on the pupil’s records.”

The bill would affect not only interscholastic sports, but also sex-segregated physical education classes.

An analysis of the bill quoted Ammiano: “When transgender students are denied the opportunity to participate in physical education classes in a manner consistent with their gender identity, they miss out on … important benefits and suffer from stigmatization and isolation.”

A spokeswoman for the California Catholic Conference, however, told the Times the mandate steps in where a case-by-case basis would be a better solution.

“Our Legislature tends to get involved in things that are better handled in local school districts,” said spokeswoman Carol Hogan.

She also said the law could be abused by students seeking easy access to the opposite sex.

The Pacific Justice Institute launched a website, GenderInsanity.com, to bring attention to AB 1266, as well as to SB 323, which would eliminate key tax exemptions for the Boy Scouts of America if the organization were to not accept “gender identity” and homosexuality.

There are other radical moves California lawmakers already have adopted, including SB 48, which requires positive portrayals of LGBT persons in class.

Others cited by the pro-family SaveCalifornia.com as being on a radical sex agenda include:

SB 543, signed by then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger in 2010, “allows school staff to remove children ages 12 and up from government schools and taken off-campus for counseling sessions, without parental permission or involvement.”

ACR 82, approved by the California Legislature in 2010, “creates de facto ‘morality-free zones’ at participating schools (pre-kindergarten through public universities). Schools that become official ‘Discrimination-Free Zones’ will ‘enact procedures’ (including mandatory counseling) against students from pre-kindergarten on up who are accused of ‘hate,’ ‘intolerance,’ or ‘discrimination.’” The definition of “hate” includes peacefully speaking or writing against the unnatural lifestyles choices of homosexuality and bisexuality.

SB 572, signed by Schwarzenegger in 2009, establishes “Harvey Milk Day” in K-12 California public schools and community colleges. In classrooms, schools and school districts that participate, children are taught to admire the life and values of late homosexual activist and teen predator Harvey Milk of San Francisco in the month of May.

SB 777, signed by Schwarzenegger in 2007, prohibits all public school instruction and every school activity from “promoting a discriminatory bias” against (effectively requiring positive depictions of) transsexuality, bisexuality and homosexuality to schoolchildren as young as five years old.

AB 394, signed by Schwarzenegger in 2007, effectively promotes transsexual, bisexual and homosexual indoctrination of students, parents and teachers via “anti-harassment” and “anti-discrimination” materials, to be publicized in classrooms and assemblies, posted on walls, incorporated into curricula on school websites, and distributed in handouts to take home.

SB 71, signed by Gov. Gray Davis in 2003 and implemented in 2008 through the new “sexual health” standards approved by appointees of Schwarzenegger and State Superintendent of Public Instruction Jack O’Connell, teaches children as young as fifth grade that any consensual sexual behavior is “safe” as long as you “protect” yourself with a condom, and teaches children that homosexuality, bisexuality and transsexuality is “normal.”

AB 1785, signed by Davis in 2000, required the California State Board of Education to alter the state curriculum frameworks to include and require “human relations education” for children in K-12 public schools, with the aim of “fostering an appreciation of the diversity of California’s population and discouraging the development of discriminatory attitudes and practices,” according to the state legislative counsel’s digest.

AB 537, signed by Davis in 1999, permits teachers and students to openly proclaim and display their homosexuality, bisexuality or transsexuality, even permitting cross-dressing teachers, school employees and student on campus, in classrooms, and in restrooms.
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Old 05-12-2013, 04:55 PM   #2
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Re: Ever wonder why homeschooling is so popular?

We homeschooled our first son till middleschool when he wanted to play football.We had moved from Miami to north Georgia mountains so we were more at ease about letting him attend public school.Our issue was piss poor teachers and violence at the school from feral children.Kalifornia is not an example of most of the countries schools but its getting that way fast.
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Old 05-12-2013, 09:47 PM   #3
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Religious use home school as a means to brainwash their children before the age of reason. Because after that point they will no longer accept the BS that religious parents shove down their kids throats. Like the this nonsense about public school being a homosexual recruitment center.
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Religious use home school as a means to brainwash their children before the age of reason. Because after that point they will no longer accept the BS that religious parents shove down their kids throats. Like the this nonsense about public school being a homosexual recruitment center.
Actually both sides have done brainwashing to be fair.We homeschooled for a better education and the freedom to take our son traveling when we chose too.He was ahead of the kids in his school when he started and was on honor roll pretty regularly.We may be homeschooling our youngest when we finally move onto a Sailboat.To each his own!
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Old 05-12-2013, 10:37 PM   #5
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Religious use home school as a means to brainwash their children before the age of reason. Because after that point they will no longer accept the BS that religious parents shove down their kids throats. Like the this nonsense about public school being a homosexual recruitment center.
Yeah. All that stuff about courage, virtue, compassion, and critical thinking is obviously outdated. Parents should be happy to ship 'em off to publik skools where they can learn modern values, political correctness, and groupthink.
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Yeah. All that stuff about courage, virtue, compassion, and critical thinking is obviously outdated.
Of course its not, but what makes you think those values are always the focus of home schooling?

It can also be about freedom to hate people who aren't like you rather than being forced to get along in the public school environment. And it can damn sure be about acceptance of what you are told to believe as opposed to critical thinking. Can't have people doubting that every word in the bible was written by God, can we?

Do you think North Star's kids have the freedom to question scripture? If not, then they aren't being permitted to engage in critical thinking.
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Old 05-12-2013, 11:02 PM   #7
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Yeah. All that stuff about courage, virtue, compassion, and critical thinking is obviously outdated. Parents should be happy to ship 'em off to publik skools where they can learn modern values, political correctness, and groupthink.
Come on now, you can't honestly tell me that you think religion is a breeding ground for critical thinking?!?!
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Actually both sides have done brainwashing to be fair.We homeschooled for a better education and the freedom to take our son traveling when we chose too.He was ahead of the kids in his school when he started and was on honor roll pretty regularly.We may be homeschooling our youngest when we finally move onto a Sailboat.To each his own!
My post wasn't directed at you personally, I don't know you or your reasons for homeschooling. But you are mistaken to think that the nonbeliever side is in the business of brainwashing. It is not brainwashing to allow children to think critically, to evaluate evidence and draw their own conclusions. Hence the need for sunday school, no child would come to such a conclusion without the before mentioned brainwashing.
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Of course its not, but what makes you think those values are always the focus of home schooling?

It can also be about freedom to hate people who aren't like you rather than being forced to get along in the public school environment. And it can damn sure be about acceptance of what you are told to believe as opposed to critical thinking. Can't have people doubting that every word in the bible was written by God, can we?

Do you think North Star's kids have the freedom to question scripture? If not, then they aren't being permitted to engage in critical thinking.
Apparently they do not in your caricature of them. And I.

Seriously. They learn about the need to shut down their critical thinking skills in favor of scripture reading constantly. Every day. Right before we get out the snakes.

Can't have the little suckers going and thinking for themselves, now, can we?

Are you ****ing serious?
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Apparently they do not in your caricature of them. And I.

Seriously. They learn about the need to shut down their critical thinking skills in favor of scripture reading constantly. Every day. Right before we get out the snakes.

Can't have the little suckers going and thinking for themselves, now, can we?

Are you ****ing serious?
Yes I am. North Star tells us we'll spearfish in a lake of fire if we don't believe every word of scripture, and he doesn't even control us. Why should I think his own kids will have more freedom to decide for themselves?

I don't mean to single him out as unique- he is just an example that is familiar to all of us, and of course he started this thread. There are countless other parents who home school kids to push religion and to protect them from critical thinking.

Are all home school parents like that? Of course not. A Marine dive buddy who retired at the same time I did went off sailing the Pacific for four or five years,and he and his wife used some sort of correspondence course designed for cruising families. When they got back, their kids were accepted by very competitive universities. But having known that guy and his wife for over 20 years, I can assure you that they were not trying to shelter the kids from secular society and its corrupting influence.
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My post wasn't directed at you personally, I don't know you or your reasons for homeschooling. But you are mistaken to think that the nonbeliever side is in the business of brainwashing. It is not brainwashing to allow children to think critically, to evaluate evidence and draw their own conclusions. Hence the need for sunday school, no child would come to such a conclusion without the before mentioned brainwashing.
Actually Ive experienced the pushing of ones political/religious views from both sides of the coin.Public schools now want permission to give an aspirin but are giving out condoms and considering the"morning after pill"without the parent knowing.I expect my tax dollars to be spent teaching reading,math,history,etc.I dont need anyone to push their religion or beliefs on my kid.I dont have a problem with time to pray or meditate in school just dont tell my kid who to pray to!We have a teacher now pushing her socialist beliefs on 5th graders and a few fundies pushing their beliefs.
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Come on now, you can't honestly tell me that you think religion is a breeding ground for critical thinking?!?!
The only breeding ground for critical thinking I can imagine is the mind of an individual taught to cultivate logic and entertain questions.

If you valued such a thing yourself, you might even be able to entertain some idea of myself and my family as something aside from the cartoonish fundamentalist home revival meeting you've created in your own mind.

Your complete failure to even begin to appreciate the capability for thinking, analyzing, questioning, and intellectualizing of people not of your own philosophical persuasion is a most telling indictment on your own education. You should strive to amend this. Seriously. It's not too late, is it?

Your own narrow-minded, unquestioning, unquestionable beliefs are the precise mirror image of the religious fundamentalist you love to loathe.

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Yes I am. North Star tells us we'll spearfish in a lake of fire if we don't believe every word of scripture, and he doesn't even control us. Why should I think his own kids will have more freedom to decide for themselves?

I don't mean to single him out as unique- he is just an example that is familiar to all of us, and of course he started this thread. There are countless other parents who home school kids to push religion and to protect them from critical thinking.

Are all home school parents like that? Of course not. A Marine dive buddy who retired at the same time I did went off sailing the Pacific for four or five years,and he and his wife used some sort of correspondence course designed for cruising families. When they got back, their kids were accepted by very competitive universities. But having known that guy and his wife for over 20 years, I can assure you that they were not trying to shelter the kids from secular society and its corrupting influence.
I've met NS's sons. I couldn't tell they measured up at all to the caricatures you've painted, but they measure up quite well to most young men I've meet.

Homeschoolers are an enormously wide demographic. Within that big tent, there are certainly a number of the types you mention. What about it? Are the students of public education some universally stellar product? On the whole, homeschooled kids trounce their publicly educated (sic) peers in every objective measure of education. You are as aware of these statistics as I.

I could get the idea that the real objection people have to home schooling is the failure (by refusal) of home schooled families to march in lockstep with the present moral zeitgeist.

Gosh, now that you mention it, maybe I do need publik edacators to tell my sons that it's perfectly normal and acceptable, hygienic, and morally affirmative to stick their dicks up another man's crack. Otherwise, they might grow up behaving oddly.

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Home schooled children are as educated as the capabilities of their patents to educate. I've met some who are quite bright and others who sadly have missed out an the chance to get a decent education. The problem with home schooling isn't with the parents who are capable of offering their child a well rounded education it's with the patents who aren't.
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The only breeding ground for critical thinking I can imagine is the mind of an individual taught to cultivate logic and entertain questions.

If you valued such a thing yourself, you might even be able to entertain some idea of myself and my family as something aside from the cartoonish fundamentalist home revival meeting you've created in your own mind.

Your complete failure to even begin to appreciate the capability for thinking, analyzing, questioning, and intellectualizing of people not of your own philosophical persuasion is a most telling indictment on your own education. You should strive to amend this. Seriously. It's not too late, is it?

Your own narrow-minded, unquestioning, unquestionable beliefs are the precise mirror image of the religious fundamentalist you love to loathe.
Very well put However Northstar's original post is pretty scary thinking....
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