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06-01-2018, 08:40 PM | #1 |
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Full face snorkels
Hello again folks.
I've been seeing more and more of the tourists wearing these things in lieu of the old school snorkel masks. I've even seen people using them in the lap pool. Would any of you ever use one of these for spearfishing? I get that it would make it hard to Valsalva, but I imagine you could still use some sort of nose clip. Does anyone see any pros or cons to getting one of these things? I don't know why the shift happened, but given how many people have switched over for snorkeling purposes, it must be doing something right. |
06-01-2018, 09:43 PM | #2 |
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Re: Full face snorkels
I'm gonna say the air volume inside the mask is way too huge and would cause lots of problems on deeper freedives. Plus I've heard of fogging issues.
It would be interesting to try one, in secret, so that none of your friends would ever find out you did such a silly thing |
06-01-2018, 11:24 PM | #3 | |
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Both would result in not having friends learn of the attempted silliness. |
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06-02-2018, 10:51 AM | #4 |
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Re: Full face snorkels
That works too!
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06-02-2018, 05:59 AM | #5 |
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Re: Full face snorkels
Those things are for surface use. I would try one just for fun, but I would never consider using one for freediving or spearfishing. Imagine trying to equalise that thing! Lol!
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06-04-2018, 07:00 AM | #6 |
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Re: Full face snorkels
Here in Europe those masks are sold by DECATHLON under the EASYDIVE name. Meant for surface only. My girlfriend has one and threatens to ashame me to wear one whenever I take her spearfishing. XD XD
I never tried one though. |
06-04-2018, 08:24 AM | #7 |
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Re: Full face snorkels
too much volume, cant dive past 10'
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06-05-2018, 08:46 AM | #8 |
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06-05-2018, 04:02 PM | #9 |
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Re: Full face snorkels
My dad bought one, it's a gadget ! It's "ok" on the surface but that's it... My dad wanted to buy one for my 7 year old and I said no. He's already good with a mask and snorkel and I don't see the pros of that set up..
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06-11-2018, 04:38 AM | #10 | |
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I have a 4 years old daugther who is eager to to to the beach and blow water out of the snorkel... just like whales do! I hope to get her introduced to snorkelling this very same summer. Mikel |
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01-16-2019, 07:07 AM | #11 |
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Re: Full face snorkels
These full face masks with attached snorkel are made possible in this stylish modern format due to moldings in modern materials using a lot more plastic in place of rubber, hence they come in a wide range of colors. They are purely designed for surface swimming, although a shallow dive at a very low angle would be possible taking you only a few feet under. So underwater sightseeing basically for people with little or no experience in diving. Apparently if you are working hard then air volumes being moved around in the mask’s “breathing circuit” expose the airflow limitations of these masks as unlike full face commercial dive masks they are only using air at surface pressure.
Also there are better versions and cheaper rip-offs that are copies which may not work as well, so hard to tell which ones are better than others by simply looking at them. One advantage for a group is that you may be able to talk underwater, but I have not read anything about them on that score. A new fad/gadget that for the moment is being heavily promoted more on looks than performance; here are some photos of more recent models. Note that they are termed as full face masks and not dive masks, the operative word being "dive". The sales are no doubt helped by lovely models in bikinis and alluring tropical underwater locations where these offer a sort of glass bottom boat viewing experience in you own personal and autonomous "vessel", although in some places an anti stinger suit may also be advisable! Last edited by popgun pete; 01-16-2019 at 02:22 PM. Reason: further comment |
01-16-2019, 02:32 PM | #12 |
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Re: Full face snorkels
Here is one that claims to beat the breathing circuit drag and flow problems.
https://ninjashark.com.au/product/eq...BoCrP8QAvD_BwE However using the "eggs all in one basket" analogy it is better to keep airflow and vision separate unless you are using commercial diving gear with full surface support and monitoring and the need for communication between all participants. Some applications do make sense such as this one. We purchased 3 Masks for our family for Christmas. After our son has been in a wheelchair for the last 12 mths due to a hip injury we wanted to get something we could enjoy together while getting our Son back to swimming. We couldn't have been happier with our masks. Andrew made sure they arrived in time for christmas. We are amazed at how awesome they really are so much better then your normal mask and snorkle.The kids love them too. Thanks NinjaShark we are so keen on them we are purchasing another 2 masks for our friends kids. The key word here being competent adult supervision, but if disability is not an issue then a separate mask and snorkel is always the best option for freediving. |
01-16-2019, 08:08 PM | #13 |
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As a matter of interest here is the great granddaddy of snorkel equipped face masks designed by Navy man, diver, prolific inventor and one of the Diving Hall of Fame members Commander Yves Le Prieur. The snorkels positioned on either side of the full face mask are for inhalation and exhalation respectively with valves in the mask controlling their opening. A duckbill type purge valve for mask clearing depends from the forward lower section of the mask. Le Prieur designed this full face mask for “submarine hunting” with his roller hand spear and his 8 band drive speargun. All this in 1938!
The small bore snorkels increase air velocity passing through them, but add to drag on the air movement. The second diagram depicts the mask "in action". Rather appropriate to now look at this history for which we have just passed the 80th anniversary. Last edited by popgun pete; 01-16-2019 at 08:22 PM. |
01-17-2019, 12:02 PM | #14 |
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Re: Full face snorkels
I feel like someone should point out that these masks are deadly. The lack of air flow has people reporting light headed etc. I just wouldn't touch or promote these things.
Putting these out here this casually will get some idiot to use one and blackout. Just my 2 cents. |
01-17-2019, 04:48 PM | #15 | |
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https://www.scubaboard.com/community...eather.364071/ In fact just found one for sale https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...water-18553774 In some jurisdictions the seller would be committing an illegal act and face a heavy fine, or jail term or both! That is the way to get rid of dangerous gear, however these masks (the better ones, not the rip-offs) have been around now for 3 years. I don’t recommend them, but it is a free country and within the law people can buy what they like. P.S. A diving professional evaluated the "Diveman" in a swimming pool under supervised conditions with the whole thing being videoed. His conclusion on surfacing was that he could maintain airflow, but if he had to work harder underwater then the effort of using the "Diveman" went up to boost the now increased oxygen requirement. This in turn put him under increased stress which would escalate into a highly dangerous and easily fatal situation. This guy was a fit and strong individual and a highly experienced underwater worker and he roundly condemned the unit then and there. The axe came down almost instantly the program aired and fearing public safety was at risk the authorities went searching for the perpetrators. Last edited by popgun pete; 01-17-2019 at 05:34 PM. Reason: more info |
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