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Old 10-20-2003, 07:49 PM   #1
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2 shaft speargun, over & under, ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=47353
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Old 10-20-2003, 08:01 PM   #2
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i saw those at dema.....kinda cool, kinda not. definately no ultimate
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Old 10-21-2003, 07:46 AM   #3
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Definitely different. I bet you could get used to aiming it after a while. Cool concept. One of those things to bust out on the dock at a competition, not really to seriously use.
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Old 10-21-2003, 08:16 AM   #4
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$300 bucks and it doesn't come with bands or shafts. phhhfff. I don't think so. Interesting concept though. Maybe I'm just ol' fashion or cheap, don't know.
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Old 10-21-2003, 10:03 AM   #5
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It says that it uses "standard shafts" What the hell is a standard shaft? JBL? Riffe? AB Biller?
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Old 10-22-2003, 12:10 PM   #6
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Answers about the Ace XX two shaft speargun. It is made of billet aluminum, meaning the components are machined from a single piece of stock. It uses "Biller" type shafts. It comes without shafts and bands because the gun can be assembled to five different lengths. The mission is to make a gun that an individual can customize to the type of fishing he is doing on that dive. The gun comes with a bouyancy compensation package consisting of mahogany blocks that press into the open structure of the barrel. Some spear fishers feel the low swing resistance is more important than bouyancy. The gun weighs 2.5 lbs with no shafts. It disassembles, the longest part is 15 inches and can be packed in a briefcase. Thanks for your interest
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Old 10-22-2003, 08:08 PM   #7
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Would you trust a gun from a company that cant spell precision(there website address) precisely? (see ebay)

The track is totally open; I bet its way inaccurate.

Whats the pont in breaking it down if you still need to carry long shafts? At least the jbl travel gun has a shaft that seperates.

If you have two shafts; shouldnt at least one come line-shafted?

AO divers in st pete has a double on display (not for sale ) that looks really cool.
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Old 10-22-2003, 11:16 PM   #8
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Doc, he may have misspelled "precision", but you misused "there" (should be "their"), and you misspelled "what's", "point", and "separates".

More importantly, why are you being so critical and negative? The guy that engineered this has spent a lot of time and effort to come up with a creative new design. I don't see how you could possibly come up with your conclusions when you haven't even tried the gun. An open track does not necessarily mean the gun is inaccurate.

I applaud his efforts and hope he continues on his product development track and that he is successful.
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Old 10-23-2003, 06:04 AM   #9
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Some spear fishers feel the low swing resistance is more important than bouyancy. The gun weighs 2.5 lbs with no shafts.
That's gonna be kinda heavy after an hour underwater. But more importantly, if you ever let go of this gun, which will be over 4 pounds negative with shafts, your're gonna find your neutral buoyancy just got WAY positive.

I think you really want to have a pretty neutral gun for those reasons.
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Old 10-24-2003, 02:46 PM   #10
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Yo Sheri chill out a little...

I ponted out ythe spelingg mistaik bicauz you couldnt get to the website as the graphic on the ebay site showed an incorrect website address; this has been fixed since (bekauz of?)my post.

The fact is I love the gun, at least in concept; but its definitely got some design flaws. Id love a double shafted line/free shaft gun that was reasonably priced, complete, neutrally bouyant and broke down... who wouldnt? But this gun aint it; at least not yet.

Besides, Im sure that ace (he seems to be affiliated with the maker) is capable of sticking up for the gun himself AND perfecting this concept gun to its full capability; at least if he gets some honest and constructive feedback...
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Old 10-24-2003, 08:13 PM   #11
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Doc,

Sheri was graciously lenient by stopping her comment on the rest of your botched post:

"shouldnt at least one come line-shafted? AO divers in st pete has a double on display (not for sale ) that looks really cool."

Then you imparted this whirlwind of wisdom:

"Yo Sheri chill out a little...

I ponted out ythe spelingg mistaik bicauz you couldnt get to the website as the graphic on the ebay site showed an incorrect website address; this has been fixed since (bekauz of?)my post.

The fact is I love the gun, at least in concept; but its definitely got some design flaws. Id love a double shafted line/free shaft gun that was reasonably priced, complete, neutrally bouyant and broke down... who wouldnt? But this gun aint it; at least not yet.
Besides, Im sure that ace (he seems to be affiliated with the maker) is capable of sticking up for the gun himself AND perfecting this concept gun to its full capability; at least if he gets some honest and constructive feedback..."

Man, that's enough to choke a second grade English teacher to death!

So Doc... honestly, I did not think much of the design either.
The guy will probably spend a lot of money he can't afford to lose, so if that happens, I say let that be his lesson!

So why don't you chill out a little?

Furthermore, you're right in my back yard and we could probably help each other do business if you'd get a positive outlook!

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Old 10-24-2003, 08:52 PM   #12
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Well, Chad, I wasn't trying to hammer Doc on his English as much as I was trying to make a point. I just found it amusing that he was criticizing someone else's English when his own was not too good.

Maybe he was trying to help with "honest and constructive" feedback, but the tone sounded critical and demeaning. I hate that. Here you have someone who is at least trying to create something new....if you are really going to give the guy some constructive feedback, at least try the gun, or say something meaningful. They keep talking about the bouyancy. He already made the point that you can attach mahogany blocks if you value neutral bouyancy over streamlined design. I've yet to hear a comment that adds value or suggests a way to improve it. Must be the engineer in me.

Ace, keep going, don't give up. Have you thought of reproducing the Ultimate? I don't know what was so great about it, but some of the old timers rave about it. I know it was metal, and I hear that was a heavy gun too. You familiar with it? I'd like to know what was so great about it if anybody out there knows.
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Old 10-24-2003, 11:50 PM   #13
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Doc you better watch out for the Spearfishing Magazine Daryl Wong tag-team Personally, I thought the gun was badass. When that grouper I miss whips around, I would be able to nail him with the second shaft.
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Old 10-25-2003, 07:31 AM   #14
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I thought the gun was badass. When that grouper I miss whips around, I would be able to nail him with the second shaft.
-Chris
Thats what I'm talking about! Every time I miss a nice grouper he alway turns around and hangs out in easy range till i reload. Wait, did i just admit to missing?
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Old 10-25-2003, 11:03 AM   #15
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Doc you better watch out for the Spearfishing Magazine Daryl Wong tag-team Personally, I thought the gun was badass. When that grouper I miss whips around, I would be able to nail him with the second shaft.
-Chris
Here is a picture of the double gun or “dually” setup I used for years. This picture is JBL Woody Magnums and I have a set of Ultimate guns setup the same way. This is the only way I have found to get a true and accurate second shot. It also allows you to free shaft on one side and line shaft on the other. The downside is you have more drag and two guns can get heavy. The old Ultimate double barrel was a good gun, but the second shot was not that accurate (less pull and you are firing from the bottom of the gun).

To answer Sheri’s question, the old Ultimate guns are good, not great. They are very heavy duty, have a unique trigger/safety mechanism, and are a fairly accurate gun. On the downside, they were a little loud when fired and a little heavy. But you could really beat the piss out of a shark with one.

Ace, have you thought about using foam filling instead of floater wings? I like the open design of the gun, it should swing easy, but if you add floater wings, it may add buoyancy but create more drag???

Oh and one final note…the Spear Fishing Magazine/Daryl Wong tag team ARE badasses!
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