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Old 09-16-2013, 12:25 AM   #16
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Am I the only one that doesn't have a problem with closed muzzles and notched shafts?? Seriously, every one seems to have a bias against them. With the 120, I doubt you are going to be shooting into a cave close up, which it everyone's argument against a closed muzzle. A fish is never going to be over the notches fighting, which would cause the break/weakness there. The fish will either be strung up on the mono or down on the flopper. If money is tight, no reason to drink the rail gun kool-aid. Just dive with the gun. Change something when it's an issue, not when it's online bantering.

Cheers and congrats on the gun!

Edit: not to mention with a closed muzzle, reloading is faster, albeit it barely when you are experienced on an open muzzle.
The real reason for an open muzzle is to accommodate the sharkfin tabs that will accompany the threaded shaft Karl wants to use. Threaded shafts don't come with notches and therefore, he can't use a closed muzzle even if that's what he preferred.

I agree with you about the simplicity of the closed muzzle and notched shaft, I like that approach myself but you have to shoot a flopper with that setup.

Addiction shafts are the same manufacturer that Tommy mentioned, Dean from Vector Marine. You can find them on EBay with a simple search for "rob Allen".
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Old 09-16-2013, 01:04 AM   #17
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Your avatar picture is great but you are getting way ahead of yourself there man.

All I meant was that it's not a gun that makes or breaks a diver. I've missed countless fish with my wong.

What I said about the specific set up for hunting SB comes from personal experience diving there all the time. Take a chill pill
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Old 09-16-2013, 01:10 AM   #18
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Re: Got me a Pelaj gun

And as for the quality of Mako products, do I really have to go into what happened with 1/2 of the gear I ordered from them. I will spare you guys, so don't PM me either. The quality of the Mako customer support is top notch and I rather not do business with any other company, since they take care of their failures like no other, but..........................

Karl, do what you have to do. Can't beat a Mori slip tip in my opinion. As for all the other stuff, it is all up to you. I hope I'm there when you stick that first big fish with your new cannon.
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Old 09-16-2013, 01:54 AM   #19
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Yes I can see.

You think a shiny wong pulls fish? That's pretty funny.


It's hard for me to understand why you would cut 70 dollars for shittier gear

I'm not saying that's a bad gun. To each is their own.

A good WSB gun, like your gearing up for would be a 130 RA or mako. A slip tube wouldn't hurt either.


Buying a quality product just means you don't have to buy more when the cheaper shittier gear breaks.
you are contradicting yourself here. Mako's are shit. and they break. and slip tubes are a great way to loose fish.

If you are hunting an area you think you may see game fish but want to be able to shoot in the rocks then hunt a flopper. Floopers can land marlin... they can land seabass.

OP your set up will work great. i would save the money and dive the flopper shaft. As long as you put a solid shot you will land every seabass you shoot with a flopper.
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Old 09-16-2013, 02:19 AM   #20
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Mako's are shit. and they break.
Explain?I have had my mako oceanic pro for a little over two years now and it still works fine.I have abused the gun and have not had a single problem.Have you ever owned a mako?
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Old 09-16-2013, 02:32 AM   #21
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Yes I can see.

You think a shiny wong pulls fish? That's pretty funny.


It's hard for me to understand why you would cut 70 dollars for shittier gear

I'm not saying that's a bad gun. To each is their own.

A good WSB gun, like your gearing up for would be a 130 RA or mako. A slip tube wouldn't hurt either. To be honest for santa barbra diving it would be a great fit. You can still shoot at rocks with a slip tube. My friend Geoff just shot his first Dodo with the slip tube and it works like a champ.

Have you used or had a slip tip? They're very easy to bend and are very expensive.

After so many dives of rarely seeing game fish (like in santa barbra) you start to consider other game. Game that is sometimes near rock structures or lay on a fine sand bed with rocks under it, and easily result in a bent slip tip. It's understandable we've all taken the chance and done it before.


Buying a quality product just means you don't have to buy more when the cheaper shittier gear breaks.
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Old 09-16-2013, 02:47 AM   #22
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Explain?I have had my mako oceanic pro for a little over two years now and it still works fine.I have abused the gun and have not had a single problem.Have you ever owned a mako?
I have never owned a mako gun but i used several friends. also i have owned and used quite a few of there other products. every piece of gear they make or sell is shit quality. the only thing they have going for them is there service and cheap prices. but you get what you pay for.
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I have never owned a mako gun but i used several friends. also i have owned and used quite a few of there other products. every piece of gear they make or sell is shit quality. the only thing they have going for them is there service and cheap prices. but you get what you pay for.
Boom! haha.

Guess I've been beating around the bush a little too much. Nice direct response Tyler. Couldn't agree more.

Apexdiver - No, I've never owned one, why would I buy a Mako? I have two dive buddies that I dive with somewhat frequently that can't stand their Mako's, one of which is the OP's brother here. My other buddy has a 90cm and won't even take it out anymore. He says that any time he gets the tiniest amount of sand in the trigger mech that it freezes up. Don't know about you but when I pull the trigger with a fish in front of me, I don't want mechanical problems interfering with my ability to land a fish.

I have about a dozen dive buddies with Rob Allens, including a bunch of green handles (over 5 years old, some up to 10 years). I personally have four Rob Allens including a 70cm green handle and I dive alot. I use these guns almost exclusively and I put a lot of miles on them. My 110cm has killed hundreds of pounds of WSB, sheephead and Calico Bass. I have not heard any complaints from any friends about RA's. I certainly have no complaints myself.

Chosing a speargun is like chosing a car (pardon the analogy here). Everyone prefers something a little different, styling, performance, price point, etc. For the first 50 thousand miles they all seem to get you where you need to go. But with some wear and tear, you begin to see the difference of quality between manufacturers.

I consider Rob Allens to be the Toyota Camry of spearguns, Mako is like a Ford Escort. The Escort is the cheaper option up front, but a more costly option in the long haul. But if you pay 20% more for the Toyota, it will last you a life time and you'll never need to call for customer service. You buy the Escort and those maintenance bills just keep adding up and your car is in the shop a lot, leaving you with a loaner.

So knowing that you'll pay $250 for the RA instead of $200 for the Mako up front, why would anyone ever chose to purchase a Mako? You really need to save $50? Doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Anyone making an informed decision would chose RA every time.

With all that said, I think that the Pelaj guns are pretty decent. I didn't like the handle they put on there but I do think they hold up better than Mako over the long haul.

Good luck Karl - show us the fish!
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every piece of gear they make or sell is shit quality
I have to disagree with you on that one. I have Mako fiberglass fins and I love them. The get some serious abuse, times when I left them on a cushion and by buddy put his knee on the blade, and I was sure it would crack under the weight. It didn't and still hasn't. Has never let me down and they kick a million times better than my old plastic Cressi's.

I'm sure I could have gotten "better quality" fins, but these are definitely not "shit" gear. I agree that the best customer service is never having to use customer service.

I own no other piece of Mako gear.

Congrats on the new gun, Salty. Remember its the indian not the arrow. Get close enough and you can stone fish with a gun scratched out of a pine 2x4, a la Impailer Twins.

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Old 09-16-2013, 12:32 PM   #25
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Re: Got me a Pelaj gun

If that is going to be a WSB gun then you need to focus your money on getting a slip tip setup before you spend any money changing out the muzzle.
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:54 PM   #26
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If that is going to be a WSB gun then you need to focus your money on getting a slip tip setup before you spend any money changing out the muzzle.
Read my post above about the muzzle and sharkfins. You need an open muzzle to get a threaded shaft/slip tip.

Plus a new muzzle is like $20.
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Old 09-16-2013, 02:15 PM   #27
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Hey guys,

I hope you don’t mind me jumping in on this thread.

I’d like to thank Apex Diver, CameronV, IanB, Tommy T, Atanasprime, KelpOdyssey, iamasalmon, for their support. I also want to thank them for doing it a manner that is respectful to all.

Clearly, Yardsale Josh and Thumper Fish are regular advocates for Spear America, which I am sure is a very fine company.

And, while I respect their right to free speech, I would like to respond in a respectful manner.

Please take a look at this page which explains how MAKO can provide high quality products at low prices: http://www.makospearguns.com/Articles.asp?ID=284


Please also take a moment to review, below, just a few of our high quality products that some of you might have not seen.
MAKO Yamamoto wetsuits are considered by many to be some of the best wetsuits in the industry. But, because we sell direct, the price is actually lower than other suits made using non Yamamoto neoprene material. We even make our socks and our gloves out of Yamamoto Neoprene. What company does that? It does cost us more to produce these higher quality products, but because we sell direct, the prices are lower.
MAKO Competition Freediver Fins are made by the exact same factory that also makes fins for 2 of the most well respected fin companies in the world. Our Competition Freediver fins are made using the exact same materials and methods. Our fins also feature interchangeable blades and because we sell direct, our prices are actually lower than other fins that have fixed blades.
MAKO Competition Fiberglass Fins get fantastic reviews on this forum and they are used by some of the best freedivers and freedive instructors in our community.
MAKO Mini Mask is an extremely popular mask. It is getting fantastic reviews. And, because we sell direct, it cost less.
MAKO Kona Kill Knife….I am sure you have seen this knife before. It is the exact same high quality knife offered by many of our well respected competitors. It is made at the exact same same factory, using the exact same materials and methods. The only difference is the Logo printed on it. We just sell it for less.
MAKO Slip Tips and MAKO South African Spears with Sharkfin Tabs are sold by MAKO, as well as a couple custom gun builders that make some of the finest custom guns in the world. These spears and slip tips are regarded as some of the finest in the industry.
MAKO Reel is a high quality reel offered by MAKO and a couple of custom gun builders, here in the USA, who make some of the finest guns available.
New MAKO Ballistic Mesh and MAKO Freedive Gear Bags are new and both are high quality bags, and sold an very low prices because we sell direct to the diver.
MAKO Latex tubing is made by Primeline Industries which is considered by many to be the best latex tubing in the world.

Regarding the post by Lompoc Local, with all due respect, perhaps, he has not heard about the new and completely up armored MAKO Predator 2G Railgun which replaced the 1st Generation Predator. I really think he would like this new gun.

We now have two high quality railguns (Predator 2G and the Oceanic) and we are soon releasing a new gun which will also be very popular.

New Predator 2G (2nd generation) Pro Railgun.
Robust handle: The new Predator 2G handle is now just as strong as the Oceanic handle.
Stainless Steel Trigger, Line Release and Sear
South African Spear with Mini Sharkfin Tabs
Fully integrated aluminum rail extending the full length of the barrel
Loading butt
Hand tied latex bands from Primeline Industries
Soft Dyneema Wishbones
Open muzzle that accepts hand tied bands (no additional charge)

These are just some of our many product that are very good quality. And, because we sell direct, our prices are often lower.

Thanks guys for letting me chime in. I hope you find it to have been done in a respectful manner.
Dive safe,
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Old 09-16-2013, 02:17 PM   #28
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Back to the question. At least the Mako muzzle I had was secured to the barrel with screws. Since the Pelaj muzzle was pinned, it is not likely the systems are compatible. You might want to look at other brands, or simply go with the Pelaj (what makes you think their open muzzle will give you problems?)
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Hey guys,

I hope you don’t mind me jumping in on this thread.

I’d like to thank Apex Diver, CameronV, IanB, Tommy T, Atanasprime, KelpOdyssey, iamasalmon, for their support. I also want to thank them for doing it a manner that is respectful to all.

Clearly, Yardsale Josh and Thumper Fish are regular advocates for Spear America, which I am sure is a very fine company.

And, while I respect their right to free speech, I would like to respond in a respectful manner.

Please take a look at this page which explains how MAKO can provide high quality products at low prices: http://www.makospearguns.com/Articles.asp?ID=284


Please also take a moment to review, below, just a few of our high quality products that some of you might have not seen.
MAKO Yamamoto wetsuits are considered by many to be some of the best wetsuits in the industry. But, because we sell direct, the price is actually lower than other suits made using non Yamamoto neoprene material. We even make our socks and our gloves out of Yamamoto Neoprene. What company does that? It does cost us more to produce these higher quality products, but because we sell direct, the prices are lower.
MAKO Competition Freediver Fins are made by the exact same factory that also makes fins for 2 of the most well respected fin companies in the world. Our Competition Freediver fins are made using the exact same materials and methods. Our fins also feature interchangeable blades and because we sell direct, our prices are actually lower than other fins that have fixed blades.
MAKO Competition Fiberglass Fins get fantastic reviews on this forum and they are used by some of the best freedivers and freedive instructors in our community.
MAKO Mini Mask is an extremely popular mask. It is getting fantastic reviews. And, because we sell direct, it cost less.
MAKO Kona Kill Knife….I am sure you have seen this knife before. It is the exact same high quality knife offered by many of our well respected competitors. It is made at the exact same same factory, using the exact same materials and methods. The only difference is the Logo printed on it. We just sell it for less.
MAKO Slip Tips and MAKO South African Spears with Sharkfin Tabs are sold by MAKO, as well as a couple custom gun builders that make some of the finest custom guns in the world. These spears and slip tips are regarded as some of the finest in the industry.
MAKO Reel is a high quality reel offered by MAKO and a couple of custom gun builders, here in the USA, who make some of the finest guns available.
New MAKO Ballistic Mesh and MAKO Freedive Gear Bags are new and both are high quality bags, and sold an very low prices because we sell direct to the diver.
MAKO Latex tubing is made by Primeline Industries which is considered by many to be the best latex tubing in the world.

Regarding the post by Lompoc Local, with all due respect, perhaps, he has not heard about the new and completely up armored MAKO Predator 2G Railgun which replaced the 1st Generation Predator. I really think he would like this new gun.

We now have two high quality railguns (Predator 2G and the Oceanic) and we are soon releasing a new gun which will also be very popular.

New Predator 2G (2nd generation) Pro Railgun.
Robust handle: The new Predator 2G handle is now just as strong as the Oceanic handle.
Stainless Steel Trigger, Line Release and Sear
South African Spear with Mini Sharkfin Tabs
Fully integrated aluminum rail extending the full length of the barrel
Loading butt
Hand tied latex bands from Primeline Industries
Soft Dyneema Wishbones
Open muzzle that accepts hand tied bands (no additional charge)

These are just some of our many product that are very good quality. And, because we sell direct, our prices are often lower.

Thanks guys for letting me chime in. I hope you find it to have been done in a respectful manner.
Dive safe,
dano

Now that we have you here, can you tell us about the possible integration of the Neptonics mech system into a new line of Mako hybrids, which are a long time in coming. Perhaps that is the "new...very popular" gun which you are referring to. (Just to clarify, I am a believer in the quality of the Neptonics products; it is their customer service that I will always shy away from - this is what makes the idea of a customer service driven company like Mako selling a respectable product, such as the Neptonics mech, an attractive idea.)

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That brings me to the point. The only thing that I really don't like about the gun is the closed muzzle and notched flopper shaft it came with. Should I buy the open muzzle available on their site http://www.h20life.us/index.php/stor...en-muzzle.html or do I have a better option? I would love to get the mako open muzzle, so I can save on shipping and get a threaded shaft while I'm at it, but I'm not sure if it'll fit. Lastly, what is preferable: high profile sharkfin tabs or the mini sharkfin tabs. I was told to not go with the mako slip tip (sorry mako) so I'll have to bite the bullet on that one and get a mori or something equivalent. Maybe next paycheck......

Thanks for any answers, comments, advice in advance.
Check the inside diameter of the barrel to see what kinds of muzzles will fit it. The pelaj one might be your only option, it's only 15 bucks too which isnt bad.
My brother just got the 130, same gun, he's keeping the closed muzzle and notched shaft though, the pelaj guns are pretty decent overall. Definitely worth what you can buy em for through that sale. I just don't really like their handle, doesnt fit my hand right.
I think the trigger will pull smother if you rig it with 250# too if I'm remembering what I did to the one I had a long time ago.
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