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Old 05-10-2018, 04:11 PM   #1
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The destruction of Boy Scouts

As an Eagle Scout, this was my identical experience. I could have written this first post myself, so closely did he describe what I experienced as a Boy Scout.

An Eagle Scout Explains the Fatal Folly of Taking the ‘Boy’ out of Boy Scouts

by Scott Morefield

The first time I walked into a Boy Scout meeting as a boy of eleven is as ingrained in my mind as if it were yesterday. My Dad and I descended the moldy steps into the basement of an old Methodist church, opened the door, and walked in to the smell of freshly cut wood chips and the chopping sound of an axe hitting its mark. A group of ten or so boys around my age and older were gathered around a bearded, uniformed Scoutmaster who was showing them how to properly use a hatchet. We had arrived late, just to check out the goings-on. I wasn’t into sports, or much of anything really - except books - but a couple of my friends were Scouts and had invited me to their meeting.

“Want to give it a shot?” the Scoutmaster was looking at me and holding the axe out, handle first. Before walking over and taking it I tentatively looked at my dad, who pursed his lips and nodded approvingly. “Safety first,” the bearded man cautioned before he proceeded to show me how to cut the wood without cutting off any fingers in the process. As I performed that simple exercise, I remember thinking how cool it was to be trusted to wield what could be a pretty dangerous tool, and the responsibility made me feel bigger than my eleven years. But most of all I remember how doing what I perceived as “man-stuff,” surrounded by men and other boys, made me feel at least a little bit more like a man.

Those moments began what was to be a seven year adventure and the most significant non-school element of my pre-teen and teen-aged life. They were years filled with lots of “boy-stuff” under the watchful supervision of caring men and the camaraderie of other boys. Canoeing alone on a lake. Building campfires. Barely passing the ridiculously hard swim test at summer camp so I wouldn’t be the only kid not allowed on the water. S’mores. Dump cake. Hobo packets. Campfire stories. Games, teasing, and general rowdiness. Sleeping alone in the middle of the woods as a part of the Order of the Arrow Ordeal. Peeling myself out of a semi-warm sleeping bag on a freezing February morning in 1986 to watch Haley’s Comet pay a rare visit to Earth’s orbit. Picking up and sorting food for the hungry as a part of our annual food drive. Lugging a wooden sled across town to compete with other troops in Scouting skills contests, all of which involved plenty of cool “boy-stuff” like tying knots and building things.

There was a lot of “doing” in Scouting, but the ultimate goal was always the same. The Boy Scouts of America started in 1910 as a way to promote good citizenship and Christian morality, two years after Sir Robert Baden-Powell founded the movement in England. “We aim for the practice of Christianity in their everyday life and dealings, and not merely the profession of its theology on Sundays,” Baden-Powell wrote in Scouting For Boys.

The iconography was, in many instances, literally Norman 'Rockwellian,' from the chivalry of a crisply uniformed boy saluting the American flag or helping an old lady across the street to the Native American symbolism incorporated into the Order of the Arrow rituals. From the ceremonies to the symbols to the reading materials and skills learned - all were meant to teach, to prepare, but most of all to endear a heartfelt respect for our Creator, our family, our country, our environment, and the world around us.

In Scouting, progressing from rank to rank felt like it meant something, and I knew that becoming an Eagle Scout would be something I would cherish the rest of my life. Neil Armstrong was an Eagle Scout. So was former President Ford and our then-Tennessee Governor Lamar Alexander.

“Former Scouts have walked on the Moon, become President, and won the Heisman Trophy,” said President Reagan at a luncheon commemorating the group’s 75th anniversary in 1985. “Today they serve as Cabinet Secretaries, as my Press Secretary, and in the Congress. In fact, about two-thirds of the Members of the Congress have been in the Boy Scouts.”

I was proud to be a Scout, prouder still to earn my Eagle rank just before my 18th birthday.
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Old 05-10-2018, 04:12 PM   #2
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But of course, as we all know, once social justice warriors gets their slimy tentacles into something their thirst is never quenched until that something is entirely destroyed, and such has it been with Boy Scouting ever since its clueless national leaders began leading the organization down that perilous cliff. From openly gay scout leaders to transgender members to just last Wednesday, when the organization officially announced a name change to Scouts BSA because, well, Boy Scouting isn’t just for boys anymore.

“We’re trying to find the right way to say we’re here for both young men and young women,” said hapless Boy Scouts Chief Scout Executive Mike Surbaugh. Because everyone is the same, don’t you know. Because little boys and little girls are, as far as today’s liberals are concerned, identical to each other in every possible way except a few ‘easily changeable’ body parts.

Of course, anyone with half a brain knows that boys and girls are different, but reason and common sense has never stopped a rabid social justice warrior from wanting to impose their twisted view of reality on the rest of us.

Ironically, their attack on Boy Scouting has also hurt the other group founded by Baden-Powell and his sister, Agnes - Girl Scouts. Though the decision to allow girls was applauded by various progressive and feminist groups, Girl Scout representatives themselves are less than amused. "The Boy Scouts' house is on fire," Girl Scouts told ABC News in a statement last October when the decision to allow girls was first announced. "Instead of addressing systemic issues of continuing sexual assault, financial mismanagement and deficient programming, BSA's senior management wants to add an accelerant to the house fire by recruiting girls."

Imagine, girls wanting a place to come of age and be themselves without the immaturity and awkwardness of gross boys. Imagine, girls wanting to do "girl-stuff."

Granted, some of this “boy and girl stuff” overlaps. Obviously, girls can canoe, camp out, and do pretty much anything a boy can, if she wants. But whether it’s a sports team or Boy or Girl Scouting, groups formed based on gender can provide a healthy, nurturing place for kids to come of age, not suppressing their God-given instincts and preferences but rather celebrating them and learning how to express themselves and function socially within the training wheels of those of their own gender.

Because try as liberals might to erase it, gender is and will always be “a thing.”

“The benefit of the single-gender environment has been well-documented by educators, scholars, other girl- and youth-serving organizations,” writes the Girl Scout blog, and they couldn’t be more on point. Check out this list of advantages of single-sex schools, a privilege only available to the rich. Sports teams provide similar life experiences, of course, but that wouldn’t have been an option for 80’s me.

Sadly, ‘2018 everybody’ will no longer have the option, at least as far as Boy Scouting is concerned.

I am grateful for Scouting and what it meant to me growing up. But I am also angry at what liberals have turned the group into, as well as the fact that, a decade from now, it very likely won’t exist. Because tragically, the Boy Scouts’ stubborn march to ‘inclusivity’ at any cost has managed to gut the organization of what made it special in the first place, which inevitably reminded me of this key quote from the movie The Incredibles -

“If everyone is special, no one is.”
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Old 05-10-2018, 04:15 PM   #3
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Re: The destruction of Boy Scouts

Here is the legitimate alternative to the gender-queer perversion cult that BSA has become:

https://www.traillifeusa.com
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I have not thought about the OA for years until literally yesterday. My family and I were talking about the current state of America wrt race, and the comment was made that the American Indian is one of the races that has been severally taken advantage of. I mentioned that even though I have American Indian in my background, I have never used it for EEO advantages. I have always believed every person should make their way based on their skills and credentials.

Anyway, I digressed - my wife said I didn't have any more real link to the American Indians than any of the other nationalities that think they have more rights because their "people" have been mistreated. She went as far as to say if I really was what I claimed, then I should be able to do a rain dance. I started smiling remembering my days on the OA dance team It has not rained yet, but I know it will

The OA was the best part of Scouts for me. I will always remember the WWW, the ceremonies, and most of all the comradery of doing things that most others never did. Btw, I still have my Ordeal as well as Brotherhood sashes today.
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Re: The destruction of Boy Scouts

Also, congratulations on being an Eagle Scout - that is a major accomplishment in my opinion

I only made it to 1st Class with a couple of merit badges towards Star, when I got involved with the OA ...
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Thanks Gary. I was in the Order of the Arrow as well. Great experience. Loved Scouting. It had a huge influence on my life for good.
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Re: The destruction of Boy Scouts

It is so sad that such an awesome institution could cave to this sick liberal agenda of destroying everything sacred.
I was in the scouts for a couple of years, and enjoyed it quite a bit.
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I had a lot of fun in the Scouts. The leadership that caved to this BS needs fired.
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I'm just glad my sons made it through before it went down the toilet. We have a great troupe here in Truckee. My twin sons both made Eagle. Both also achieved bronze, silver, and gold palms. I'm sure that experience has a lot to do with the outstanding young men they are today.
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I'm just glad my sons made it through before it went down the toilet. We have a great troupe here in Truckee. My twin sons both made Eagle. Both also achieved bronze, silver, and gold palms. I'm sure that experience has a lot to do with the outstanding young men they are today.
Amen. Boys don't make that rank without a lot of parental involvement and support. Ron, a great dad makes great boys. Respect to you...and your boys.
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Amen. Boys don't make that rank without a lot of parental involvement and support. Ron, a great dad makes great boys. Respect to you...and your boys.
Max I have to be honest and also ashamed of myself. I was not supportive of them being in scouts at first. You see, when I was a kid I wanted to be a scout so my parents enrolled me in our local troupe. It was very poorly run and folded just after I made second class. That was probably a good thing as most of the senior patrol were thugs who really liked their pot, LSD, and alcohol. Their dads were no better. Add to that, some of the worst search and rescue missions I've been on in my career were to rescue Boy Scouts who's leaders placed the boys in very bad situations due to idiotic decisions.

So, when my boys wanted to advance from Cub Scouts to Boy Scouts, frankly I was against it. My wife convinced me that our local troupe, (267), had some great leadership and had produced many fine young men. After a time I started getting involved. I became a parent volunteer and helped out on camping trips and Eagle projects. That's when I realized that scouting really could be what it was meant to be and how important it is.

I can't begin to say how proud I am of my sons. I only wish I'd gotten involved in their scouting careers sooner and been more active.

I hate to see this change. Even my very open minded wife said Boy Scouts should be left alone. She believes that while men and women are certainly equal, they are not the same. That's one thing her and I agree on. "Boys should be boys and girls should be girls".
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Max I have to be honest and also ashamed of myself. I was not supportive of them being in scouts at first. You see, when I was a kid I wanted to be a scout so my parents enrolled me in our local troupe. It was very poorly run and folded just after I made second class. That was probably a good thing as most of the senior patrol were thugs who really liked their pot, LSD, and alcohol. Their dads were no better. Add to that, some of the worst search and rescue missions I've been on in my career were to rescue Boy Scouts who's leaders placed the boys in very bad situations due to idiotic decisions.

So, when my boys wanted to advance from Cub Scouts to Boy Scouts, frankly I was against it. My wife convinced me that our local troupe, (267), had some great leadership and had produced many fine young men. After a time I started getting involved. I became a parent volunteer and helped out on camping trips and Eagle projects. That's when I realized that scouting really could be what it was meant to be and how important it is.

I can't begin to say how proud I am of my sons. I only wish I'd gotten involved in their scouting careers sooner and been more active.

I hate to see this change. Even my very open minded wife said Boy Scouts should be left alone. She believes that while men and women are certainly equal, they are not the same. That's one thing her and I agree on. "Boys should be boys and girls should be girls".
Your candor is blunt and welcoming. The scouts have always had a mixture of the bunch. IMO, there will always be these sort of life lessons. Bad examples are very important as they are a teaching tool. Nevertheless, having father figures in the mix that that the young ones can look up to is almost always productive in their development.
I've experienced those same drugs as an adolescent. I'm not sure why, but I didn't grow up in some poor neighborhood exposed to such, just walking down the street. My parents were straight as an arrow. I remember going to church 3 times a week...well twice on Sunday. It was an all day affair only broken up by the pot luck lunch.
Anywho, I had the drive to become the better person and make something of my life whereas I've witnessed others around me fall by the wayside. I'm not sure what the right formula is...but I'm confident that the Scouts helped in pushing me along into the right direction.
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I think I achieved the things I have in life, especially my outdoor skills, because of my bad experience in Boy Scouts. Our camping and back packing trips were dismal. Our scoutmaster once asked me what I wanted to do in life, adding that anything to do with the outdoors was out of the question as I had absolutely no skills in that area what soever. How was I to tell him that was where my passion lay? He did this in front of the older boys by the way, who found it very amusing.

If he were still alive, I'd thank that scoutmaster now. He made me want to succeed in spite of him and his son. I started teaching myself, pushing myself, and learning how "it should be done".

It came full circle though. I've taught my sons what little skills I have, but more importantly, my wife and I drilled into them that they need to lead by example, and rather than bully younger scouts, encourage and teach them, so that they can be successful. It's worked. Many times, parents of younger kids, scouts and others, have told my wife and I how much our sons have helped their younger children. (Again, can't tell you how proud I am...).

These are the traits that last a lifetime and this is what scouting should be all about.
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Ron, you have nothing to be ashamed of. Your bad experience with a Scoutmaster and a troop gave you every reason to question the validity of the institution as a proper activity for your sons.

Scouting is as good or as bad as the Scoutmaster makes it. I had some who were the best of the best, and also, one who was a really bad influence on us. Fortunately, he did not last long. All the others were wonderful men who I have fond memories of to this day.

Not every man is a good influence on young boys, and parents are wise to be exceedingly careful who they entrust their sons to for the molding of their character.

Teaching your boys to be mentors instead of bullies to the younger boys was so important. Kindness to others and service to those weaker than we is the hallmark of a civilized society.

You've done a great job with your boys. You have every reason to be proud of what you and you wife achieved in their lives.

Strangely enough, I never put my three sons in Scouts. This was out of a concern for who was leading the troop and the character of the boys in it. I thought it would do more harm than good, so I and my three boys kind of made up our own troop, in the sense that I taught them all the skills I had learned, and we did all the activities that Scouts do. It helped that I raised them out in the woods in Oregon where every outdoor activity imaginable was one step outside the door of our house. Their woodsmanship skills are excellent.

We were also involved in church and community activities and service projects together just like Scouting encourages.

I am kind of sad that they will never be able to say that they were Eagle Scouts, but they have all the character and skills that come with it, so that is what really matters I guess.
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Thanks for the kind words Max. I remember meeting you and your sons years ago at Caspar and you too have done an outstanding job. Your sons are fine young men indeed!

On that note, I'm sending you a PM with an actual spearfishing related question!
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