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01-25-2017, 10:18 AM | #181 |
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Re: Pathos 125 Sniper....A new Gun...a whole new build...pics heavy...
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01-29-2017, 02:32 AM | #182 |
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Re: Pathos 125 Sniper....A new Gun...a whole new build...pics heavy...
Hey Tony ... do you have the weight of the barrel and belly alone without any paint. I forgot to weigh my 125 barrel before adding CF skin and wanted to know what the weight of the CF skin is. I have 752 grams now after the CF wrap ... what did it weigh before you painted it?
For the track I used a waxed 8.5mm shaft to form over the old track ... and my God the shaft slides so easy now ... even 8mm shafts should have no problem. Only thing I worry about is ballasting ... I removed the front weights but they only gave about 73 grams of weight ... going from 6.75mm to say 7.5mm (which I think should be a minimum for 160cm shaft) is more than the difference of weight removal ... plus you add some extra weight of the CF skin and some extra weight for the modded handle ... I think maybe 8mm shaft might make it a little heavy. Of course the weight is all the way at the muzzle so that makes me more optimistic that I can still ballast it with 8mm. Also there is quite a bit of unused voids inside the mating areas of the muzzle and handle area, so I figure I could add some hard foam there to help things. I was going to skin the entire stock from muzzle to handle as I felt that during filing off the ET the stock was flexing too much !!! For sure the CF will help stiffen things, but it would have been superior to run the CF from the muzzle all the way to the handle as one mono bloc. But I decided against that as it would not allow to take the handle and muzzle out to fine tune ballasting. Maybe in another build where I have more ballast data. There is the option of increasing the bladder with wood or foam ... but that is just way too much work I did have the idea of increasing the ballast of the 130 normal pipe pathos with a wood bladder and then covering everything with CF sleeve ... but that is another project all by itself. If you could make a SS trigger with side line release for the Pathos D'Angelo 1 handle (which I have done) and add to it the 130 aluminium barrel ... a belly and a CF sleeve and you have a solid blue water CF speargun for less than $ 300 !!! Now that might be an interesting DIY project. |
01-29-2017, 04:50 AM | #183 | |
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actually been mucking around with plain wood version of the udder in the water again this arvo after KWTony jogged things by posting pic of the Pathos plastic one. Am using local vitex wood which is around 0.8 spec grav in this air, failry neutral buoyancy - and compact as stabiliser. Waiting for replacement shaft to arrive before can really compare to how gun shoots with plain barrel. cool how you can just slide the attachment along the barrel and see how it affects handling, but this is heavy and having it as far back on the barrel as possible suits my shooting best. Going to knock up more flattened cuttleboneish version of the udder, try and retain more of that pipegun freeswing whilst maintaining volume and lateral resistance. looking forward to seeing variations on that belly/bladder/udder in the future! |
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02-22-2017, 08:04 PM | #184 |
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Re: Pathos 125 Sniper....A new Gun...a whole new build...pics heavy...
Were can I get the shaft cones? That looks like a good idea.
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02-22-2017, 08:52 PM | #185 |
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02-22-2017, 09:41 PM | #186 |
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Thanks but I still like the idea he is using and would like to know were to get them.
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02-22-2017, 09:57 PM | #187 |
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Pathos 125 Sniper....A new Gun...a whole new build...pics heavy...
I have plenty of good shafts with good floppers and they still make them better.
Glad that we are sharing thorough and informative decisions regarding these cones.... Call petros at spearamerica he has then
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02-22-2017, 10:10 PM | #188 | |
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but this i understand because plenty from shafts are not that " good " |
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02-22-2017, 10:21 PM | #189 |
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Z1taz i dont get it, is something going on with you??
Youve been shitting on people threads over and over for the past year. While this latest post is the most information youve put up on the site in a year, it still simply tells us nothing. I actually know what you are TRYING to say, but perhaps the language barrier makes you come off completely different and like you are trying preach to us with what you know.....if you care to inject facts and explanitory pronciples thats fine. But even a brand name would be better then you coming here and "telling " us we are all doing it wrong. Im signing off this shit show for a while, yall kids have fun....
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02-22-2017, 10:23 PM | #190 | |
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Now, that we speak of cones be aware that Sigalsub cones have different bores than their designated shaft diameters. Reason being that Sigal shafts are turned down slightly (app. 0.2mm) just in front of the flopper. E.g. the Sigal cones for 7.5mm shafts have a bore of 7.3mm. BTW, I have cones on all my single flopper spears now. Call me a sucker for trusting the guy who actually devoted real time to test this properly. |
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02-23-2017, 04:45 AM | #191 |
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Re: Pathos 125 Sniper....A new Gun...a whole new build...pics heavy...
A cone makes a huge improvement in performance on ALL full bore shafts (non recessed). If your flopper is recessed then you might not need a cone. The cone streamlines water flow around the flopper and reduces vectoring of shaft due to extensions of the flopper. It also dramatically improves penetration ... and also reduces tension on the pin holding the flopper if your shaft happens to hit rock or coral as the hit will be taken by the cone rather than the shaft pin. Properly placed a cone can also buttress the flopper as the flopper will use the cone to effectively strengthen the flopper by reducing the unsupported length of the flopper. All you have to do is make a tight fist and run it down the tip of the shaft ... with a cone ... and then without a cone ... you will understand why this tiny piece of metal is really useful.
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02-23-2017, 11:06 AM | #192 |
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Re: Pathos 125 Sniper....A new Gun...a whole new build...pics heavy...
Thanks guys I'll get some.
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02-25-2017, 01:03 AM | #193 | |
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02-25-2017, 03:42 AM | #194 |
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I think the .30 cost I put was if you just bought the cones ... I meant that is what it would cost a speargun manufacturer to put a cone on their shafts. Obviously if you buy the cones separately it will cost much more as there is shipping, storing, and other costs involved. $5 does seem a little steep and I think you can find them for about $2 online from Diveinn. But they also seem to be out of stock of the cones as well as out of stock of the 14mm small ID bands. This usually means those items are selling well ... and for good reason!
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02-25-2017, 12:47 PM | #195 |
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Re: Pathos 125 Sniper....A new Gun...a whole new build...pics heavy...
Thanks spearq8 I'll check back with them also.
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