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Old 04-14-2013, 02:28 PM   #1
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It's ok to give up rights in order to feel safer...



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Old 04-14-2013, 02:52 PM   #2
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Re: It's ok to give up rights in order to feel safer...

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Old 04-14-2013, 03:07 PM   #3
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Re: It's ok to give up rights in order to feel safer...

She didn't say "to feel safer." She said "to be safer." Did you purposely change that key word?

That's a no brainer. We give up all sorts of individual rights to live in a civilized society. We give up the right to assault, steal, drive at unsafe speeds, etc.
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Old 04-14-2013, 03:47 PM   #4
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Fish on!

Civilized societies don't own guns? Only the uncivilized people in society should own guns?


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Old 04-14-2013, 04:05 PM   #5
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Re: It's ok to give up rights in order to feel safer...

I would feel much safer if some people gave up their right to free speech. I'm sure the US Constitution would also feel safer. But I won't try to forcefully take that right away from them.
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Old 04-14-2013, 04:33 PM   #6
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Re: It's ok to give up rights in order to feel safer...

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She didn't say "to feel safer." She said "to be safer." Did you purposely change that key word?

That's a no brainer. We give up all sorts of individual rights to live in a civilized society. We give up the right to assault, steal, drive at unsafe speeds, etc.
So who guarantee that the rights we give up will make us safer? Most of what government does just makes us "feel safer" but actually does nothing and in some cases, exacerbates the issue. Who decides that you give up your rights? Would you have your individual rights at the mercy of the masses? What if they decided that its too unsafe for you to swim around shooting spears off in the ocean. You willingly give up that right? My point is that we have a constitution in order to establish that we have certain rights that cannot be infringed upon. They will try and try to take these away from us. Their attempts will always be framed "for your safety" "for the public good" They will try to ban you from eating unhealthy, from smoking, from selling things they don't like, from speaking in ways they don't like. Who gave them the right to tell me what to do, how to live? Until I actually infringe upon the rights of somebody else I have committed no crime and should be left to live my life as I see fit. I want to carry a gun, I should be allowed to, I want to drink a 96oz full of sugar beverage, I should be allowed to. If I want to smoke crack, I should be allowed to.
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Old 04-14-2013, 04:37 PM   #7
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I would feel much safer if some people gave up their right to free speech. I'm sure the US Constitution would also feel safer. But I won't try to forcefully take that right away from them.
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Old 04-14-2013, 04:59 PM   #8
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Fish on!

Civilized societies don't own guns? Only the uncivilized people in society should own guns?
Who said that? I own guns, and I consider myself to be civilized.

But thanks again for putting words in my mouth.
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Old 04-14-2013, 06:24 PM   #9
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Who said that? I own guns, and I consider myself to be civilized.

But thanks again for putting words in my mouth.
Didn't your Irish predecessors (big assumptions I know) come here because they were risk takers, rugged individualist and otherwise badass MFrs? They didn't come here to be Government cheerleaders for the greater good and safety of the nanny society... did they?
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Old 04-14-2013, 06:34 PM   #10
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Who said that? I own guns, and I consider myself to be civilized.

But thanks again for putting words in my mouth.

"We give up all sorts of individual rights to live in a civilized society."
My bad. I'm sorry if I assumed too much. Many times, you've gone through great lengths to put words in my mouth, IMO....but, if you'd like to explain this sentence, when said in this thread in that was about the surrendering of gun rights, please...go ahead.
I'll take your detailed explanation and will try not to distort your original meaning. It would be nice if you afforded me the same opportunity instead of dogmatically stating your distorted opinion, in future threads, of what I've said in the past.
For the life of me, I have a hard time understanding your hatred of me over differences of political opinion when we have so many common interests. When, if ever...god help us, the SHTF, I would rather have you as a neighbor than MANY others of our population.
Reason being, most likely, the dollar would be useless, hence..the central gov't would be useless as well when they are unable to pay their tax funded employees. Having someone with your knowledge would be beneficial in surviving...after you came to grips with the fact that big central gov't couldn't save you anymore.
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Old 04-14-2013, 06:49 PM   #11
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Didn't your Irish predecessors (big assumptions I know) come here because they were risk takers, rugged individualist and otherwise badass MFrs? They didn't come here to be Government cheerleaders for the greater good and safety of the nanny society... did they?
My Irish ancestors came here to escape English injustice and oppression, they came here to take advantage of the opportunity to create a lufe where their children can advance die to their abilities and not their liniage. There was a degree of risk taking but if my memory is correct all the Irish who thought they were bad asses ended up in the wrong end if an English noose.
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My Irish ancestors came here to escape English injustice and oppression, they came here to take advantage of the opportunity to create a lufe where their children can advance die to their abilities and not their liniage. There was a degree of risk taking but if my memory is correct all the Irish who thought they were bad asses ended up in the wrong end if an English noose.
Fair...

I still say anyone during those times who crossed the Atlantic with nothing deserves a + 1 rating.
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Old 04-14-2013, 08:21 PM   #13
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Re: It's ok to give up rights in order to feel safer...

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She didn't say "to feel safer." She said "to be safer." Did you purposely change that key word?

That's a no brainer. We give up all sorts of individual rights to live in a civilized society. We give up the right to assault, steal, drive at unsafe speeds, etc.
No Bill, we do not give up"rights" to be safe, the shit you put out are not rights.

Your idea of civilized is not the same as others. I for one do not believe socialism is civilized.
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Old 04-14-2013, 08:23 PM   #14
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Re: It's ok to give up rights in order to feel safer...

Yes Bill, I changed the wording because it is a logical fallacy to assume that giving up a right will actually make us safer. Sure it may make you feel safer, but unless they can somehow remove the evil from the hearts of those whom wish to do harm, we are left with nothing more than a feeling and a false sense of security. That is of course unless we act soon and ban murder....
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Fair...

I still say anyone during those times who crossed the Atlantic with nothing deserves a + 1 rating.
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