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Old 11-05-2012, 11:42 PM   #46
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*singing*
....How do I know, (oh, how does he know)
How do I know, (oh, how does he know)
The gov't tells me so.

Know any other faith based songs?

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Old 11-05-2012, 11:55 PM   #47
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Marcus, I've got a good novel that needs finishing tonight. You have the floor.
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Old 11-06-2012, 12:44 PM   #48
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Yea, because our gov't which allowed 2 brave men to die needlessly are the only ones that have credibility. We can only believe them. They are the oracles of truth.
Agreed! They should be alive today, obozo denied them Close Air Support and Quick Reaction Force that would have saved their lives. He fired General Ham for trying to go against orders and launch a QRF into Libya to save American lives. He was relieved of Command on the spot for ignorning obozos orders to stand down

“The information I heard today was that General [Carter] Ham as head of AFRICOM received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.
General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.”

US news reports on Obama’s unprecedented firing of a powerful US Navy Commander during wartime state that Admiral Gaouette’s removal was for “allegations of inappropriate leadership judgment” that arose during the strike group’s deployment to the Middle East.
This report, however, states that Admiral Gaouette’s firing by President Obama was due to this strike force commander disobeying orders when he ordered his forces on 11 September to “assist and provide intelligence for” American military forces ordered into action by US Army General Carter Ham, who was then the commander of the United States Africa Command (AFRICOM), against terrorist forces attacking the American Consulate in Benghazi, Libya.
General Ham had been in command of the initial 2011 US-NATO military intervention in Libya who, like Admiral Gaouette, was fired by Obama. And as we can, in part, read from US military insider accounts of this growing internal conflict between the White House and US Military leaders:
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Old 11-06-2012, 12:51 PM   #49
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TEJ, where did that quote come from?

And even if your provide the source, then I'll want to know about "The information I heard today was- - "

Who did he hear it from? This sounds like just more of the rumor mill stuff.

The information that I heard today is that far right types are making up shit. Is my unsubstantiated info any worse than someone else's?

No one has any facts. Its all "rumor has it" or " I heard today that."
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Old 11-06-2012, 12:54 PM   #50
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The rationale for firing GEN Ham is getting a bit clearer. It may be that Assad instigated the attack in Benghazi to stop the flow of weapons to the Syrian rebels. So the whole thing is getting uglier.

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Benghazi and the Lethal Price of Arming Jihadists
Posted GMT 10-29-2012 15:11:53
Over the weekend, the newest, and by far the most disturbing, revelations surrounding the Benghazi attack were revealed. Several sources have pointed to the possibility that a major CIA gun-running operation aimed at arming anti-Assad Al-Qaeda-affiliated forces was in danger of being exposed. If true, the information casts an even more devastating pall over the Benghazi terrorist attack and the administration’s botched handling of the region.
The decision to stand down as the Benghazi terrorist attack was underway was met with extreme opposition from the inside. The Washington Times' James Robbins, citing a source inside the military, reveals that General Carter Ham, commander of U.S. Africa Command, who got the same emails requesting help received by the White House, put a rapid response team together and notified the Pentagon it was ready to go. He was ordered to stay put. "His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow,” writes Robbins. "Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.”
If true, Ham has apparently decided he wants no part of the responsibility for the decision not to help those in harm's way. He is not alone. As the Weekly Standard‘s Bill Kristol revealed late Friday, a spokesperson, “presumably at the direction of CIA director David Petraeus,” released the following statement: ”No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate."
Obama himself is stonewalling. During a Friday interview in Denver, the president revealed he was determined to postpone any revelation about Benghazi until after the election. "The election has nothing to do with four brave Americans getting killed and us wanting to find out exactly what happened,” said Obama in answer to questions about possible denials of aid, and whether it’s fair that Americans will have to wait until after the election to find out the results of an investigation. On Saturday, Obama upped the ante, telling ”Morning Joe” host Joe Scarborough that “if we find out there was a big breakdown and somebody didn't do their job, they'll be held accountable. Ultimately as Commander-in-Chief I am responsible and I don't shy away from that responsibility.”
Several sources have come up with explosive answers accounting for the administration's reticence.
According to WND’s Aaron Klein, "Egyptian security officials" revealed that Ambassador Christopher Stevens "played a central role in recruiting jihadists to fight Bashar al-Assad's regime in Syria.” Stevens was reportedly a key contact for Saudi Arabian officials, who wanted to recruit fighters from North Africa and Libya, and send them to Syria by way of Turkey. The recruits were ostensibly screened by U.S. security organizations, and anyone thought to have engaged in fighting against Americans, including those who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan, were not sent to engage Assad’s regime.
Yet as Klein further notes, reality is far different. The rebels the administration armed to fight Gaddafi, as well as those we may have armed to fight Assad, do include al-Qaeda members, and fighters from other jihadist groups as well.
As to the nature of the arms themselves, an October 6 report by the New York Times’ Robert Worth revealsthat “Saudi Arabia and Qatar have been funneling money and small arms to Syria’s rebels but have refused to provide heavier weapons, such as shoulder-fired missiles, that could allow opposition fighters to bring down government aircraft, take out armored vehicles and turn the war’s tide.” The reason they have refused to provide more lethal weapons to the rebels is partly because “they have been discouraged by the United States, which fears the heavier weapons could end up in the hands of terrorists.”
Yet as Business Insider reveals ”there’s growing evidence that U.S. agents–particularly murdered ambassador Chris Stevens–were at least aware of heavy weapons moving from Libya to jihadist Syrian rebels” (italic mine) and that, beginning in March 2011, Stevens was “working directly with Abdelhakim Belhadj of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group–a group that has now disbanded, with some fighters reportedly participating in the attack that took Stevens’ life.” In November 2011, the Daily Telegraph reported that "Belhadj, head of the Tripoli Military Council and the former leader of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, ‘met with Free Syrian Army leaders in Istanbul and on the border with Turkey,’ said a military official working with Mr. Belhadj.” Reportedly, many of the militia groups that helped oust Gaddafi were eager to export their revolution to Syria.
Three days after the attack in Benghazi, it was revealed that ”a Libyan ship carrying the largest consignment of weapons for Syria…has docked in Turkey,” with a cargo that “weighed 400 tons and included SA-7 surface-to-air anti-craft missiles and rocket-propelled grenades.” Business Insider speculates the weapons came “most likely from Muammar Gaddafi’s stock of about 20,000 portable heat-seeking missiles–the bulk of them SA-7s–that the Libyan leader obtained from the former Eastern bloc.”
The Insider then reaches a devastating conclusion. "And if the new Libyan government was sending seasoned Islamic fighters and 400 tons of heavy weapons to Syria through a port in southern Turkey–a deal brokered by Stevens’ primary Libyan contact (meaning Belhadj) during the Libyan revolution–then the governments of Turkey and the U.S. surely knew about it.”
But not just Turkey and the U.S. Canada Free Press columnist Doug Hagmann, citing a ”well placed source with extensive knowledge about the attack,” claims that “Russia was fully aware of this operation and warned the U.S. not to engage in the destabilization of Syria, as doing so would endanger (Russian) national security interests.” He further asserts that Stevens’ final meeting in Benghazi on September 11 was with ”his Turkish counterpart, who reportedly warned Stevens that the (gun-running) operation was compromised.”
That the administration was helping to arm the worst elements in the region — jihadist rebels also at war with the United States — may explain the administration’s vigorous stonewalling to date. Far from just a diplomatic mission in Libya, the evidence suggests that one of the explicit functions of the U.S. “consulate” was to oversee the transfer of Libyan weapons from the Gaddafi regime’s stockpile, including to the opposition in Syria.
"In short, it seems President Obama has been engaged in gun-walking on a massive scale,” Center for Security Policy president Frank Gaffney explains in the Washington Times. “The effect has been to equip America’s enemies to wage jihad not only against regimes it once claimed were our friends, but inevitably against us and our allies, as well. That would explain his administration’s desperate, and now-failing, bid to mislead the voters through the serial deflections of Benghazigate.”
But with the mainstream media refusing to press Obama and other administration officials on the facts surrounding the attack, it is unlikely there will be a breakthrough any time soon. If more concrete information emerges, it will certainly be after the election. In that case, win or lose, the Obama administration will face much more limited consequences for its lethal decisions.
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Old 11-06-2012, 12:56 PM   #51
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its not precedent and we aren't in a declared war. Sorry but Truman firing MacArthur was a little bigger than this one. Also I am curious, were you as outraged when the US consulate in Karachi was attacked on June 14, 2002 resulting in 12 dead and 51 injured? How about the attack on a US diplomatic compound in Riyadh on Feb. 20 2003 that killed 17, or Feb. 28 2003 when two consulate guards in Karachi were killed. July 30, 2004 a suicide bomber kills 2 at the US embassy in Tashkent, Dec. 6 2004 the US consulate in Jeddah was stormed, 5 killed and 10 wounded. Match 2 2006 the US consulate in Karachi was targeted by a car bomb that killed 4 including the US diplomat who was the target. September 12, 2006 the US embassy in Damascus was attacked killing 1 and injuring 13, I could continue but you can see where I am going. Were you expressing such moral outrage and indignation at the then President or are you, as it appears, a partisan hack who attacks a Democrat but gives a free pass to a Republican when the same or worse happens?
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Old 11-06-2012, 01:06 PM   #52
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its not precedent and we aren't in a declared war. Sorry but Truman firing MacArthur was a little bigger than this one. Also I am curious, were you as outraged when the US consulate in Karachi was attacked on June 14, 2002 resulting in 12 dead and 51 injured? How about the attack on a US diplomatic compound in Riyadh on Feb. 20 2003 that killed 17, or Feb. 28 2003 when two consulate guards in Karachi were killed. July 30, 2004 a suicide bomber kills 2 at the US embassy in Tashkent, Dec. 6 2004 the US consulate in Jeddah was stormed, 5 killed and 10 wounded. Match 2 2006 the US consulate in Karachi was targeted by a car bomb that killed 4 including the US diplomat who was the target. September 12, 2006 the US embassy in Damascus was attacked killing 1 and injuring 13, I could continue but you can see where I am going. Were you expressing such moral outrage and indignation at the then President or are you, as it appears, a partisan hack who attacks a Democrat but gives a free pass to a Republican when the same or worse happens?
I'll tell you why I am so pissed Jackpine. It's because the two Americans that ended up fighting the terrorists for 7 hours and were left to die in a foreign country by your beloved obozo were my close friends and brothers for almost 2 decades.
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Old 11-06-2012, 01:12 PM   #53
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Were you equally as disgusted when similar acts occurred under Bush or Reagan? You aren't the only one who served their country so don't try riding that high horse, and he isn't my beloved Obama so that crap won't work either. I'm sick of people fingering one president then giving another one a pass when the same sh*t was happening then and your beloved Fox news was covering none of it.
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its not precedent and we aren't in a declared war. Sorry but Truman firing MacArthur was a little bigger than this one. Also I am curious, were you as outraged when the US consulate in Karachi was attacked on June 14, 2002 resulting in 12 dead and 51 injured? How about the attack on a US diplomatic compound in Riyadh on Feb. 20 2003 that killed 17, or Feb. 28 2003 when two consulate guards in Karachi were killed. July 30, 2004 a suicide bomber kills 2 at the US embassy in Tashkent, Dec. 6 2004 the US consulate in Jeddah was stormed, 5 killed and 10 wounded. Match 2 2006 the US consulate in Karachi was targeted by a car bomb that killed 4 including the US diplomat who was the target. September 12, 2006 the US embassy in Damascus was attacked killing 1 and injuring 13, I could continue but you can see where I am going. Were you expressing such moral outrage and indignation at the then President or are you, as it appears, a partisan hack who attacks a Democrat but gives a free pass to a Republican when the same or worse happens?
Remind me, did the sitting President at that time send his surrogates out and he himself tell bold faced lies about these attacks for at least a week? Obama on Sept 12th during the 60 Minutes interview wouldn't admit that this was a terrorist attack. Then after this exchange and the CIA explanation of what was being put up the chain in the intel channels, the Ambassador to the United Nations goes on the Sunday shows and say what she says about a spontaneous demonstration sparked by that anti-Islam video. And then the president delivers a speech to the United Nations 13 days later where he references that anti-Islam video six times when referring to the attack in Benghazi.

He and his administration got caught in a long drawn out lie. Period.

Why aren't you and Bill outraged at this is my question? Where's Chuam on this one?

At least it'll all be over soon, with the worst president second Carter finishing his final term in office.

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Were you equally as disgusted when similar acts occurred under Bush or Reagan? You aren't the only one who served their country so don't try riding that high horse, and he isn't my beloved Obama so that crap won't work either. I'm sick of people fingering one president then giving another one a pass when the same sh*t was happening then and your beloved Fox news was covering none of it.
Who's the partisan hack here, Jack?

Fox is the only network front-page covering this shit. If it weren’t for FOX, O would still be talking about a stupid video.

The media is dead in this country. They're political institutions as far as I'm concerned, FOX included.

TEJ - my sincere condolences for your loss. God speed the brave men who perished in Benghazi who could have been rescued.
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I don't disagree that this tragedy was a major ***** up by the President and his administration from the moment it occurred. I also don't dismiss the loss by the friends and family of those involved. What gets me is this finger pointing, on a national level by groups like Gox who were silent when the attacks I posted occurred. When attacks on US installations occurred under a Republican president occurred there was no where near the outrage we are seeing today and those Americans killed had friends and family. Isit anation disgrace only when it happens under the Obama administration?
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Remind me, did the sitting President at that time send his surrogates out and he himself tell bold faced lies about these attacks for at least a week? Obama on Sept 12th during the 60 Minutes interview wouldn't admit that this was a terrorist attack. Then after this exchange and the CIA explanation of what was being put up the chain in the intel channels, the Ambassador to the United Nations goes on the Sunday shows and say what she says about a spontaneous demonstration sparked by that anti-Islam video. And then the president delivers a speech to the United Nations 13 days later where he references that anti-Islam video six times when referring to the attack in Benghazi.

He and his administration got caught in a long drawn out lie. Period.

Why aren't you and Bill outraged at this is my question? Where's Chuam on this one?

At least it'll all be over soon, with the worst president second Carter finishing his final term in office.

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I am pissed off how it was handled. I still to this day understand why the president didn't come out and say what happened as soon as he found out but it wasn't the first time I have been disappointed in this president. Thread truth about this event is that most US diplomatic sites are poorly located and poorly protected and it won't change even if Romney is elected. No one in DC wants to spend the type of money needed to secure these sites.
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You aren't the only one who served their country so don't try riding that high horse, and he isn't my beloved Obama so that crap won't work either. it.

What have you done for your country lately Jackass.... Why don't you get off your high horse, sounds like you knocked off it then knocked out..... Turd....

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Isit anation disgrace only when it happens under the Obama administration?
Of course. Everything that happens under this administration is new and completely unprecedented and shocking. Like teleprompters, expensive vacations, the concept of an income tax, and political campaigns which "divide the country"

None of these things have ever happened before. And they'll never happen again if we elect a Republican.

American politics aren't based on principles, they're based on a spectator-sports-fanatic mentality. Team Jackass vs Team Dumbo.
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Of course. Everything that happens under this administration is new and completely unprecedented and shocking. Like teleprompters, expensive vacations, the concept of an income tax, and political campaigns which "divide the country"

None of these things have ever happened before. And they'll never happen again if we elect a Republican.

American politics aren't based on principles, they're based on a spectator-sports-fanatic mentality. Team Jackass vs Team Dumbo.
This isn't about politics Dumbo707 and Jackass, it's about an American President covering up the truth that four Americans were killed for no good reason other than bad decision making and ignoring calls for help. This has nothing to do with Democrats, Republicans or politics. This should turn into a criminal investigation against the President. It's about lying to the American people that voted him into office.
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