Obama tries to cut off military voting

[STITCH]

No I get it now. It's like when a grocery store goes out of business and closes, but you can still use the produce section. I see it every day, you're absolutely correct. Closing a base and closing a base are two completely different things. Got it.

[Smudge]

Either you truly are an idiot, or you are just trolling. Closing a Command and closing a Base are two different things. I'll keep my references there in Duval county so maybe you'll be able to keep up between bong hits.

NAS Cecil Field, the base, closed. Many of the commands at NAS Cecil Field did not. Several moved but remain intact. Some of the commands are at NAS Jacksonville, some are at NAS Mayport. Some went all the way to NAS Oceana, VA, but they did not close. Of the 40 or so commands formerly at Cecil only a 1/2 dozen or so have decommissioned or disestablished....

The tennant command of GITMO called Camp X-Ray is independant of NAVSTA GITMO. Camp X-Ray should eventually close, the sooner the better IMO, but that has no bearing on NAVSTA GITMO. NAVSTA GITMO isn't and shouldn't go anywhere...

[Bill McIntyre]

When I was on an NROTC cruise before Castro came to power we landed at gimp and I walked out the gate. There was no detention facility.

In the early 70s I landed an RF-5B on the base and then flew a photo recon mission. There was no detention facility.

If they close the detention facility there will still be a base there.

But since the detention facility is all that the ignorant public knows about or cares about, gitmo will be "closed."

[STITCH]

My point of all of this and you three helped make it is that most people see GITMO as one place within a single border located in Cuba. And since Obama didn't specify that he planned to close a portion of it, and instead used the term GITMO which is collectively accepted as one place by most people, he was either lying and had no intention of closing it, or was exploiting the general understanding that closing GITMO means closing all 45 square miles of it and not just part of it. Both of which are immoral.

Speargunhunter, sorry for derailing the thread I'm just tired of people twisting Obama's words to suit their agenda. The guy mislead a lot of people on many subjects and that's why he has a below average and declining approval rating.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/ba...-approval.aspx

[chuam]

Originally Posted by STITCH

My point of all of this and you three helped make it is that most people see GITMO as one place within a single border located in Cuba. And since Obama didn't specify that he planned to close a portion of it, and instead used the term GITMO which is collectively accepted as one place by most people, he was either lying and had no intention of closing it, or was exploiting the general understanding that closing GITMO means closing all 45 square miles of it and not just part of it. Both of which are immoral.

Speargunhunter, sorry for derailing the thread I'm just tired of people twisting Obama's words to suit their agenda. The guy mislead a lot of people on many subjects and that's why he has a below average and declining approval rating.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/ba...-approval.aspx

Honestly I don't think that most people think when he was talking about closing GITMO he meant the entire base.

The majority of the press around GITMO has been centered around the detention center there. From the majority of the people I asked in my office they were all of the understanding that he was talking about the detention center and not the entire base.

Trying to say what he said was immoral is ludicrous.

I still think we should close the detention center and the detainees should be moved to federal prisons on US soil.

I don't think we should close the base though.

[riplipper]

Originally Posted by chuam

I still think we should close the detention center and the detainees should be moved to federal prisons on US soil.
I don't think we should close the base though.

Why bring them here....please explain to me why my tax dollars should house them here....why not send them back to the shit hole they they came from????? Let their people treat them as traitors or heros, who gives a crap. We are done with em...........

[Marcus]

Originally Posted by Bill McIntyre

You military sheepies obviously don't know jack shit about the military. You're all just brainwashed by the MSM and the establishment.

Listen to Stitchtyboy and Marcusboy. They really care about you.

I'm getting my just deserts for mouthing off to them. I'm at my sheepie ex-Marine pilot son's house, where the temp is forecast to hit 106 by the end of the week.

You're so freakin' childish. I haven't said a word but you and Smudge seemed determined to try and drag me into it. Stop being douches.
As for my opinion, I assumed Obomba was talking about the torture center...but I just assumed see the whole thing shut down anyhow. We just can't afford any of these expensive overseas bases due to our current and past admin spending, along w/ Congress.

[miguelitro]

Originally Posted by Marcus

We just can't afford any of these expensive overseas bases due to our current and past admin spending, along w/ Congress.

so you believe that a temporary economic problem should result in a permanent loss of strategic position?
Mike

[Marcus]

Originally Posted by miguelitro

so you believe that a temporary economic problem should result in a permanent loss of strategic position?
Mike

Temporary? Like the break up of the USSR? Yes, we are that broke and getting worse.

Strategic position? What's the strategy? How we going to keep those bases occupied w/ no money to pay our servicemen?

I've got a strategy...bring our boys home, protect America the free first and foremost.
Once we get our house in order, then we can concern ourselves with helping other countries.

[Smudge]

Isolationism doesn't work Marcus.

[Marcus]

Who said anything about isolationism????? Not me, that's for sure. Not Ron Paul either.

Lack of military interference in another country's affairs does not equal Isolationism.
I know how the MSM has tried to redefine and sell this crapola to the public but I'm not buying it.

Ron Paul's foreign policy, to which I agree, is a strong defense(not offense), no foreign aid to anyone, pulling back our expensive war machine that is pissing off countries everywhere, and start extending economic hands of friendship to other countries instead of pointing guns at them.
Serve as an example to the rest of the world.