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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/08...s-atheist.html

The religion of peace?Crazy thing is Saudi Arabia is one of the more secular muslim countries.
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Don't worry we are not too far behind. Just a matter of time.

We have a country full of freaks who love expressing their "rights" freely in our great country who's leaders have thrown away its moral compass for votes.

Those same freaks however, have no idea they are voting for grossly currupt leaders who have nothing on their agendas but to take those very rights away. Again, just a matter of time until we will no longer be allowed to speak or act out.
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Here is the most insightful article I have ever read on the subject of Islam vs. the West


BY WILLIAM KILPATRICK, AUGUST 29, 2016

It’s often said that we are engaged in an ideological struggle with radical Islam—a clash of civilizations. But what exactly does that mean?

Ideological warfare is, in its most basic sense, a war of ideas. Of course, it’s not advisable to engage in pitched intellectual warfare with every group with which you disagree. As Jefferson said, “it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” On the other hand, if your neighbor’s religious or political beliefs do encourage him to break your leg, then it makes perfect sense to try and disabuse him of his beliefs.

The Cold War was in part a war of ideas. It was necessary to fight it because it was one of those cases where the other side’s ideology encouraged them to break your leg—or, as Soviet Premier Khrushchev put it, “we will bury you.” On top of that, communist ideology was spreading rapidly across the world. Discussion about the nature of that ideology could no longer be confined to faculty lounges in ivy-clad universities.

Today we are in the middle of a new Cold War—this time with radical Islam. Once again we are faced with an ideology that seeks to subjugate us, and, once again, it is a fast-spreading ideology.

So it seems that ideological warfare is called for. But there is a caveat. There’s no sense in engaging in a war of beliefs if you don’t have any of your own, or if the ones you do have are of the wishy-washy variety. But thanks to relativism, multiculturalism, and moral equivalence, wishy-washy is the order of the day.

Many Americans—particularly younger ones—have been conditioned to believe that one belief system is as good as another. The only exception to this rule is the American/Western/Judeo-Christian tradition which, they have been taught, is the font of all evil. So for a significant number of Americans, the question is not, “How do we defeat radical Islam?” but “Do we really have anything worth defending?” Many Americans are unequipped to fight a war of ideas because they are paralyzed by political correctness.

Which brings us to Donald Trump’s recent speech on defeating jihad. The second half of his talk focused on home-front measures for making America more secure, but for many Americans his suggestions will be non-starters because they fly in the face of politically correct dogma.

Take his proposal that we should screen Muslim immigrants for anti-American beliefs such as adherence to sharia law. That makes sense because many elements of sharia law are opposed to constitutional law. For example, under sharia, women are not the equal of men, and non-Muslims are not the equal of Muslims. To use Cold War terminology, sharia is subversive of American values. It’s a legal system that should not be allowed to gain a foothold in the U.S.

Nevertheless, many Americans will respond to the idea of an ideological test which targets sharia-adhering Muslims as being somehow un-American. That’s because they have come to equate the American way with relativism and moral equivalence. An ideological test would imply that our values are better than theirs and, even worse, it would imply that there is something wrong with their values.

The relativistically-minded will not only oppose the idea of vetting immigrants, they will also tend to oppose the idea that immigrants should assimilate. Many Europeans, for example, believe that asking others to assimilate is an act of cultural imperialism. In some European countries, it is semi-official policy that immigrants should retain their cultural identity completely intact—an idea which happens to coincide with the radical Islamist belief that Muslims should remain apart in Muslim ghettos (now frequently referred to as “no-go zones”).

Another Trump proposal calls for the reversal of the administration’s 2012 purge of law enforcement training materials. That also makes sense. Our law enforcement and investigative agencies are severely handicapped by the current policy of see-no-Islam, speak-no-Islam, and hear-no-Islam. Here again, however, our society’s commitment to political correctness makes this a tough sell. It will be argued that any “profiling” of the Muslim community will be offensive and will only drive moderate Muslims into the arms of the radicals.

In fact, this was the very argument employed by the dozens of Muslim groups which requested the purge in late 2011. They claimed that the training policies then in effect made a connection between Islam and terrorism and were therefore biased against the Muslim community. As a result of the purge, politically-correct policing is the order of the day, and law enforcement personnel who look too closely into Muslim activities risk demotion or job loss. For some examples of the purge’s devastating effect, read Philip Haney’s See Something, Say Nothing or Stephen Coughlin’s Catastrophic Failure: Blindfolding America in the Face of Jihad.

A further Trump proposal calls for the setting up of a “Commission on Radical Islam” which would educate the American people about the core beliefs of radical Islam and help them “to identify the warning signs of radicalization, and to expose, the networks in our society that support radicalization.”

The trouble is, the core beliefs of radical Islam are quite similar to the core beliefs of mainstream Islam and it is the height of insensitivity to notice. Once again, Muslim advocacy groups will complain loudly that their beliefs are being attacked. And once again, the moral equivalence crowd can be counted on to echo the complaint.

Who are the Muslim advocacy groups? They happen to be the very same groups that Trump targets as the support networks for radicalization. These would include organizations such as the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), and the Muslim American Society (MAS). There is a good deal of evidence that these groups function as subversive (there’s that quaint Cold War term again) organizations that aim eventually to supplant the Constitution with sharia law. Common sense would suggest that at the very least they should be kept out of the corridors of power they now inhabit.

Trump’s proposal that these support networks should be “stripped out and removed one by one” will be the toughest sell of all. That’s not only because these well-funded organizations will raise a ruckus, but also because the media, academia, administration officials, and many church leaders will rush to their defense. When you go up against CAIR and company, you’re going up against many of our society’s elite opinion-makers. Despite the damage they do by misleading Americans about Islam, they are protected by the forces of political correctness.

So engaging in ideological warfare will not be easy. The other side is ready for it and we are not. Their beliefs are strong, and ours are weak. They hold their ground, and we crumple up in apologies at the least suggestion that we are being offensive.

It all has to do with the will to resist. Many Americans are no doubt prepared to resist at the barricades if it comes to that, but resisting at the barricades is to resist rather late in the game. Some Europeans are now at the point of resisting at the barricades, but it’s not clear if their governments are. After being subject to decades of stealth jihad campaigns, it looks like some European governments—Sweden comes to mind—would rather go quietly into the dark night of dhimmitude than resist. After all, why make a fuss if one set of values is as good as the next?

One reason that Americans are so unprepared to resist stealth jihad is that they understand so little about it. Take the “clock boy” incident. Ahmed Mohamed brought a homemade clock to school which teachers mistook for a bomb, leading to his detention by the police. Ahmed was hailed by the PC media as a civil rights hero for standing up to discrimination, but there is a good deal of evidence that he and his family were actually conducting a stealth jihad operation. With the assistance of Muslim “civil rights” organizations, they turned around and sued the town of Irving, Texas and the Irving school system for 15 million dollars.

And that’s likely what they intended to do all along. It’s a typical stealth jihad maneuver: create some sort of provocation and then, when the “mark” responds in the expected manner to the provocation, sue them in the confidence that some politically correct judge will back you all the way. The intent is to create a chilling effect that will silence criticism and enable the stealth jihadists to carry on with little interference. Thanks to the “clock boy” and the PC media, teachers and police have 15 million additional reasons not to look too closely into Muslim affairs.

It’s not just teachers who will be tempted to give Muslims wide latitude. Suppose you own a small business, or suppose you are a store manager. What will you do when an employee demands to wear a hijab at work? When a group of employees demand prayer breaks during the day? When they demand that you establish a special prayer room for them? Will you resist? Do you want to face an expensive lawsuit? Is a prayer break the hill you want to stake your career on?

Although Muslims make up only about one percent of the U.S. population, 40 percent of religion-based workplace complaints are Islam-related. Are these just typical civil rights grievances or are they examples of stealth jihad—efforts to expand the influence of Islam in American society and force acceptance of Islamic practices? In any event, according to one report, businesses are becoming more and more accommodative of Muslim culture out of fear of lawsuits.

That’s the way stealth jihad works and, as you can see, much of it is conducted under the guise of civil rights activism. Therefore, all our conditioning in relativism and multiculturalism and all our guilt over racism will persuade us to put the best possible face on each new Islamic initiative.

Understanding an enemy’s core beliefs is one side of the ideological warfare coin; the other side is understanding and valuing our own beliefs. Do we believe strongly enough in them to stand up to the threat of lawsuits or job loss? To charges of hate and bigotry? The cultural confidence that is required to resist cultural jihad has been badly undermined by our allegiance to cultural relativism. Do we have enough confidence in our own values and beliefs to insist on the right to vet immigrants? To give law enforcement agencies accurate information about Islam? To investigate possible subversive activities on the part of Islamic “civil rights” organizations? To even utter the word “subversive”?

As Mark Steyn has noted, “there is no market for a faith that has no faith in itself.” He was referring not only to the decline of Christianity in Europe, but also to the general loss of cultural confidence in the West. Right now, Europe is having a difficult time in fighting its own ideological war with radical Islam because, as Pope Benedict observed, Europe has succumbed to a hatred of itself.

Many Americans suffer from some of the same doubts. They want to defeat radical Islam, but they are reluctant to take the concrete steps necessary for its defeat. They believe radical Islam should be opposed, but only in a politically correct and non-offensive way. Unfortunately, that is not always possible. Ideological warfare can be a rough business. For instance, in the wake of the massacre in Nice, French police raided 200 mosques. Vetting immigrants and investigating stealth jihad groups seems mild in comparison. Fighting stealth jihadists is likely to be a very insensitive affair, but as I wrote previously, “thirty years hence, how would you like to be the one to explain to your burqa-wearing granddaughter as she is married off to a man thrice her age that we lost the culture war against Islam because it would have been insensitive to fight back?”
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Old 09-01-2016, 07:55 PM   #94
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TRUMP 2016! That or 4 more years of failure and faggotry.
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TRUMP 2016! That or 4 more years of failure and faggotry.
the only failure going on recently is that of social conservatism

In the '67 it was interracial marriage they were fighting, now its gay marriage...the pattern is that conservatives always lose these social battles, and become more bitter and butthurt about it...more butthurt than and interracial gay couple getting married.

you guys will continue kicking and screaming though. please bite the pillow so you don't wake up the neighbors transgender kids that have to go to public school the next morning to be taught liberal ideology on your tax dime
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the only failure going on recently is that of social conservatism

In the '67 it was interracial marriage they were fighting, now its gay marriage...the pattern is that conservatives always lose these social battles, and become more bitter and butthurt about it...more butthurt than and interracial gay couple getting married.

you guys will continue kicking and screaming though. please bite the pillow so you don't wake up the neighbors transgender kids that have to go to public school the next morning to be taught liberal ideology on your tax dime
LOL,Democrats were fighting race mixing and controlled the KKK NOT Republicans.Conservative/libertarians could care less for the most part what you put in your mouth.We just don't want to pay for your poor choices or hear the whining how your so special.
Islam gets a foothold here and then you will see what REAL discrimination and hate crimes are.Goofy religion where homo haters rape the homo then throw them off buildings for being homo.
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the only failure going on recently is that of social conservatism
So I am guessing your OK with socialism. Which is fine if thats what you want and that is your choice. However, I see you like spearfishing. Enjoy it now, your children will most likely not get to enjoy the things you do today.

And don't forget PETA, is a massively RICH money donating machine that loves the left's agenda (kinda like a corporation). But you seem to be OK with that, your kids will enherit what you voted for.

You seem to be pretty bright, you just need to dig a little deeper, get below the bullshit, and see what your corrupt government's real agenda is. If you cannot see the clearly carved path to socialism your not looking hard enough. And BTW, the right is not much better
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So I am guessing your OK with socialism. Which is fine if thats what you want and that is your choice. However, I see you like spearfishing. Enjoy it now, your children will most likely not get to enjoy the things you do today.

And don't forget PETA, is a massively RICH money donating machine that loves the left's agenda (kinda like a corporation). But you seem to be OK with that, your kids will enherit what you voted for.

You seem to be pretty bright, you just need to dig a little deeper, get below the bullshit, and see what your corrupt government's real agenda is. If you cannot see the clearly carved path to socialism your not looking hard enough.
Liberals are their own worst enemy.They cry about Hitler killing a few million Jews and assorted other groups but fail to comprehend that although an evil vegetarian drug addict(sounds like a liberal)he was a amateur in homicide compared to Socialist rulers.
Then there are the issues of human rights,being able to get food or toilet paper or even how many children you can have.
Ill kiss the ground here in the USA with all its problems.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXIcgUVVnZU

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How long before the audit and firing.He is from Belgium and white he must be a racist naziSad that people will turn a blind eye to physical barbaric behavior from their chosen protected class of the moment but cry racism over a speech that had no racist remarks in it or people defending themselves from degenerate thugs.Mental illness is a cruel bitch.
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the only failure going on recently is that of social conservatism

In the '67 it was interracial marriage they were fighting, now its gay marriage...the pattern is that conservatives always lose these social battles, and become more bitter and butthurt about it...more butthurt than and interracial gay couple getting married.

you guys will continue kicking and screaming though. please bite the pillow so you don't wake up the neighbors transgender kids that have to go to public school the next morning to be taught liberal ideology on your tax dime
Please bite the pillow so we do not have to hear your screaming after God casts you into hell on the Day of Judgement. What you deride as "social battles" are the moral law of God that our society is casting off in defiance of God, and thereby incurring His wrath and judgment.

For clarity, I am not including interracial marriage in that category. There is nothing immoral in interracial marriage, and the Bible nowhere condemns it at all.

What you call social issues are not up for grabs, to be able to be modified as any pervert sees fit. Those social issues are moral issues, and are of permanent consequence and importance to the sustainability and blessing of any individual or society.
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Back to my previous post, #93:

"So it seems that ideological warfare is called for. But there is a caveat. There’s no sense in engaging in a war of beliefs if you don’t have any of your own, or if the ones you do have are of the wishy-washy variety. But thanks to relativism, multiculturalism, and moral equivalence, wishy-washy is the order of the day.

Many Americans—particularly younger ones—have been conditioned to believe that one belief system is as good as another. The only exception to this rule is the American/Western/Judeo-Christian tradition which, they have been taught, is the font of all evil. So for a significant number of Americans, the question is not, “How do we defeat radical Islam?” but “Do we really have anything worth defending?”

That is really the issue. The West won't fight Islam, because they have already abandoned anything worth fighting for - that is, the western values of freedom, individual God-given rights, and personal liberty and responsibility.

When you stand for nothing, then you have nothing worth defending, and are always overwhelmed by those who do stand for something.

The West now stands for nothing, because they have rejected the foundations of western civilization, and are now standing on air. It will be a long drop into the abyss.
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That was an excellent video. He hit the nail on the head. The decline of Christianity in Europe is exactly why Islam is rising in Europe. We can either return to the cultural blessings of Christianity and its world-view, or we can descend into the cultural hell of Islam. Secularism is not an option. Those who attempt it, like the West is now doing, will be overtaken by religion. Every time.

The reason why is because secularism never has the passion, drive and motivation that religion does. People will not fight for secularism like they will religion.

So, pick you religion wisely. It will determine the quality of life you live under now, and where you will spend eternity as well.
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"So pick your religion wisely"
Any hints on which one to pick?I grew up in the Watchtower cult.Grand parents were Methodist.I have friends in just about all religions including muslim.Isnt religion man made?What about doctrines that have nothing to do with the words in the bible?Some religions aren't even a few hundred years old yet some claim they are the chosen ones.Then there is the mammon seeking religions(most of them)and those that are involved in politics.
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Any hints on which one to pick?I grew up in the Watchtower cult.Grand parents were Methodist.I have friends in just about all religions including muslim.Isnt religion man made?What about doctrines that have nothing to do with the words in the bible?Some religions aren't even a few hundred years old yet some claim they are the chosen ones.Then there is the mammon seeking religions(most of them)and those that are involved in politics.
Just a hint or a website?
The religion to pick is the religion taught by the Bible:

God created man, gave him a law to obey and a paradise to enjoy, but man forfeited that paradise and his relationship with God by breaking God's law, and rebelling against God.

But rather than sending mankind immediately to hell, God in mercy and grace sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to redeem man from his sin by bearing the punishment for mankind's sin on the cross, substituting Himself in the place of sinful men to bear the wrath of God that they deserved. He paid for our sins by His suffering and death. His resurrection from the grave was the proof that the debt for our sins was fully paid and satisfied.

His substitutionary death in our place makes our forgiveness possible, and fully reconciles us to God when we repent of our sins and put our trust in Jesus Christ to save us from our sin. By faith in Christ we are saved from the consequences of our sins, we are given eternal life, and we will be resurrected form the grave to live with God in heaven for all eternity.

The paradise we lost and the purity we lost when we fell into sin, will be fully restored by Jesus Christ to all those who trust in Him as their Lord and Savior.

Those who are saved by Christ, want to live for Christ, and while they will never do so perfectly in this life, they will strive to do so all of their lives.

This is the historic orthodox Christianity taught by conservative protestant denominations. I happen to be a Reformed Baptist.

You won't find this message in the watchtower cult, the muslim cult or the money grubbing cults.

Your grandparents had it right.

There are many man made religions, but only one that God made: that religion taught by the Bible. That is the religion you want. No other will do on the Day of Judgment.

Doctrines that have nothing to do with the words in the Bible are false doctrines that need to be ignored. The Koran and the book of Mormon are examples of such false man made religious doctrines.

The true religion is not a few hundred years old (e.g. Mormons, etc.) The true religion has been around since the creation of mankind on the face of the earth. It is as old as humanity. It is the religion that began in the garden of Eden, was progressively revealed through human history, and finds its final and finished expression in the New Testament. It is the religion that will always exist for all eternity.

I hope this answers your question.
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