ATF acting director may resign over Fast and Furious program

[STITCH]

Resign!?!? He should be arrested at the very least. He not only endangered the lives of the citizens of Mexico he also helped fuel the antigun war fire that is trying to repeal our 2nd amendment. Treason; perhaps?

"In the operation, straw buyers were allowed to illegally purchase large numbers of weapons, some of which ended up in the hands of cartels in Mexico."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/...ss_igoogle_cnn

[Bullet Bob]

They had to find a fall guy. He would be pardoned anyway

[ocean_314]

i heard that he has written dirt on Holder and crew who planned the whole thing. He will just be transferred to another job that probably pays better to keep him quite.

[Wayward Son]

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepa...st_and_furious

[Wayward Son]

of course they do:

http://townhall.com/columnists/katie...st_and_furious

[Marcus]

US government openly admits arming Mexican drug gangs with 30,000 firearms - but why?

"It is now a widely-reported fact that under the Obama administration, U.S. federal agents actively placed over 30,000 fully-functional weapons into the hands of Mexican drug gangs, then halted all surveillance and tracking activities of where those weapons were going.

This is not a conspiracy theory, nor a piece of fiction. It is now an openly-admitted fact that this was pulled off by the BATFE (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, more commonly called "ATF") under orders from Washington."

Details are also starting to leak about the cover-up inside ATF, which was led by the U.S. Attorney in Arizona, Dennis Burke, an Obama appointee (http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/06/i...). The engineering of the illegal gun running went right up the chain of command to the director of the ATF, Kenneth Melson, who is now expected to resign. The real planning of this event went even higher up the chain of command in Washington, possibly all the way to Attorney General Eric Holder.


Here's how "Fast and Furious" worked: Under orders from Washington, ATF agents were specifically told to acquire these weapons using "straw" buyers in the USA, find new buyers in Mexican drug gangs, then sell the weapons and "lose track" of them. Although some agents raised concerns about the insanity, they were overruled by the higher-ups in Washington who wanted to pursue this policy for their own reasons. "It made no sense to us either, it was just what we were ordered to do, and every time we questioned that order there was punitive action," said Phoenix Special Agent John Dodson.

But what could be the reasons for Washington initiating such a program in the first place? Why would the Obama administration actively send 30,000 sniper rifles, assault weapons and firearms into Mexico even while claiming to follow an anti-gun stance back in the USA?

To answer that question, you need to understand P.R.S -- Problem, Reaction, Solution. It is the "playbook" that governments use to get what they want, which usually involves: 1) Disarming their populations, 2) Taking away all their rights and freedoms, and then 3) Ruling over their people as tyrants with complete power.

Precisely such an effort is now underway in the United States, led by the Obama administration which has repeatedly demonstrated itself to be an enemy of the U.S. Constitution and its Bill of Rights.


How Problem, Reaction, Solution really works

If you're the U.S. government, you can't just announce a new program to disarm the country, end the Bill of Rights and install yourself as the King. People won't go for it if you try to sell it that way. Instead, you need to find a way to get people to BEG you to do all that.

So you need a way to put people in a state of mind where they are terrified of drugs, terrified of guns and terrified of the border violence -- to the point where they insist that somebody in Washington do something about it.

Therefore, you first need a way to cause the problem that results in all the violence that people react to. You effectively need to create violence and then wait for people to beg you to stop it.

This is where the Obama administration's program to send 30,000 firearms into Mexico comes into play. If you want to cause gun violence and drug war violence, what better way to accomplish it than to just arm all the bad guys?

Think about it: 30,000 weapons in the hands of drug criminals! Then all you have to do is sit back and wait for all the violence to kick in. And it has kicked in -- in huge numbers. Shootings on the border, kidnappings, armed conflict across the border with U.S. border agents, and so on. Violent crimes in Arizona are now being committed with these very same weapons the ATF trafficked into the hands of Mexican drug gangs.

As Judicial Watch president Tim Fitton explains, his belief is that Operation Fast and Furious was purely an anti-gun political ploy from the Obama administration, designed to put more guns into the hands of criminals as a justification for confiscating guns from all citizens. He adds, "I think another major part of this story is that the narrative of the Obama administration and the ATF is that, 'wouldn't it be great if we could tie guns, as part of our anti-gun agenda, to the Mexican civil war, as opposed to, you know, our lack of enforcement of the drug laws or failure to protect the borders.'" (http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/21/i...)

And here's the real kicker: Of all the weapons now being confiscated by police in Mexico, an astonishing 70 percent came from the United States. So now you have a situation where the USA is actually arming the criminals in Mexico and destabilizing that country's entire system of law and order. The drug gangs are at war with the police there, and thanks to thinks like U.S.-supplies AK-47s and .50-caliber sniper rifles, the drug gangs are winning!

The American government is working AGAINST you, not for you

The point in all this is that much of what you see happening in the world today in terms of terrorism, the drug war, infectious disease and health care are just fabricated, staged events actually pulled off by the very people who stand to benefit from the reaction!

Suckers and sheeple always believe the mainstream news at face value. They believe we're under attack from terrorists who bring down tall buildings, or we're being assaulted by Mexican drug gangs on the border, or we're threatened by the Swine Flu. That's what suckers are supposed to believe, you see: That your government is never working against you... it's always working FOR you, right?

But intelligent people know the opposite is true: Your government is usually plotting against you and trying to figure out how to expand its power, expand its reach, reduce your freedoms and control your life. This is accomplished by unleashing the very problems that the government claims to be fighting to prevent."

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/032934_AT...#ixzz1RWD9fjf5


http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/...rug_war_update

"Mexican drug trafficking organizations make billions each year smuggling drugs into the United States, profiting enormously from the prohibitionist drug policies of the US government. Since Mexican president Felipe Calderon took office in December 2006 and called the armed forces into the fight against the so-called cartels, prohibition-related violence has killed more than 38,000 people, including more than 15,000 last year. The increasing militarization of the drug war and the arrest or killing of dozens of high-profile drug traffickers have failed to stem the flow of drugs -- or the violence -- whatsoever."

Mmmmm...wonder why?
WAKE THE F UP PEOPLE!

[STITCH]

"It made no sense to us either, it was just what we were ordered to do, and every time we questioned that order there was punitive action," said Phoenix Special Agent John Dodson.

This will be a common excuse when they start murdering citizens. I believe the Nazi's were just following orders as well....

<<<Crickets>>>From the Oby sheep. Come on, defend him. I really want to hear your logic behind how this was a good idea and not another stepping stone in the movement to revoke our civil rights and abolish our 2nd amendment. We ALL should be FURIOUS (no pun intended) that this was allowed. All border patrol agents should walk off the job in protest.

[Marcus]

...and the Obama admin is directly culpable in the murder of any of those 38,000 citizens that were killed in the Mexican drug war. AK47s and .50cal sniper rifles??!!
Congress should be calling for his impeachment for this and/or for uttering a forged instrument (Birth Certificate). Isn't that a felony?

[jackpine savage]

Uttering a forged document? Me thinks you have the definition of uttering wrong

[Marcus]

Originally Posted by jackpine savage

Uttering a forged document? Me thinks you have the definition of uttering wrong

Hmmm....I don't think so but could be. I think someone else forged it for him, and he allowed it to be published (utterance) as being genuine.

[Guido4198]

If you've followed this total fiasco AT ALL...you have to be aware that this looney scheme would NEVER be run by your standard issue Washington beaurocrat without EXPLICIT guidance coming from THE HIGHEST LEVELS. The COVERUP is the issue that needs to be focussed on now...anyone who cares to know already understands what a tragedy our government promulgated in their effort to create statistics to support their gun-grabbing agenda against US. The racist bastards at DOJ didn't care that their little scheme was going to result ( predictably) in the deaths of Mexican citizens...but they weren't ready for the unintended consequences of American Agents being murdered as well. Put the heat on and keep it on until people start cracking and allowing the truth to leak out. It is VERY important to note at this point that the ATF director Melson took his PERSONAL attorney with him when called to testify...he didn't take an Obama-bot from DOJ. Perhaps there's still hope.

[Marcus]

This crap was tucked into the 'Stimulus bill'.

Obama stimulus funded 'guns-to-drug-lords' plan
Spending bill gave $10 million of taxpayers' funding to effort


Just a day after U.S. Rep. Allen West, R-Fla., called for Attorney General Eric Holder's removal, alleging a White House connection to the "Project Gunrunner" that allowed weapons to be delivered to Mexican drug lords, confirmation has come that the program originated at the highest levels of the Obama administration.

The link is the $10 million in taxpayer dollars designated to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives for Project Gunrunner in Obama's 2009 American Reinvestment and Recovery Act, otherwise known as the Stimulus Bill.

Section 5, Division A, Title II, under the heading of "Office of Justice Programs," says the money is set aside for border regions.

For an additional amount for 'State and Local Law Enforcement Assistance,' $90,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 2014, for competitive grants to provide assistance and equipment to local law enforcement along the Southern border and in High-Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas to combat criminal narcotics activity stemming from the Southern border, of which $10,000,000 shall be transferred to 'Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Salaries and Expenses' for the ATF Project Gunrunner.

Today, Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, said he would support the call for a special prosecutor if members of Congress investigating the issue believe that is the best solution.

Appearing on the Steve Gill show, he said, "The point of our inquiry is to find out who really signed off on this operation. Who is the one who said 'yeah, this is a good thing to do.' It might have sounded like a good idea, but it ended up with the murder of Mr. Terry, a border control agent, and two of the guns were found at the scene of that murder."

A report in the San Francisco Chronicle says that FBI informants were connected to the ATF's Project Gunrunner.
Attorney General Holder's office has not responded to WND's request for comment."

Read more: Obama stimulus funded 'guns-to-drug-lords' plan http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=320221#ixzz1RcQeT4Iy

[Marcus]

"Another scandal that could take Obama down
Posted: July 09, 2011

Sometimes the news seems stranger than fiction.

Who could dream up a plot line like this?

Several law enforcement agencies of the federal government, including the FBI, Justice Department, Department of Homeland Security, Drug Enforcement Administration and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, got together to hatch a plan to sell guns to Mexican drug cartel members – at least one of which was later used to murder a Border Patrol agent.

Can't be, right?

Wait a minute. It gets worse. It now appears the money used by the known criminals in Mexico was federal "stimulus" money.

I know. It's a nightmare. It's government gone wild.

Yet that is exactly what the aptly named "Project Gunrunner" seems to have been all about – with a scandal and ensuing cover-up big enough to bring down Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder.

Members of Congress have been trying to investigate, but are getting no cooperation from Holder and the Justice Department. Apparently, the plan of the Obama administration was for the acting director of the ATF to take the fall. His name is Kenneth Melson – but he has other ideas.

Melson says he first found out about "Project Gunrunner" – also called "Operation Fast and Furious" – after the death of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, killed with a gun sold to the Mexican gangs by U.S. law enforcement personnel.

But after checking through the files on the program, Melson said he got "sick to his stomach" by what he found – the direct involvement of the FBI, DEA, Homeland Security, etc.

While Melson is talking to congressional investigators, Obama's buddy Holder is in full stonewalling mode. He won't give Rep. Darrel Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, the time of day.

The Obama administration appears to have put together a sophisticated, inter-agency conspiracy to provide money to Mexican gangsters to purchase guns from the U.S. to kill federal agents, but it is not at all happy about explaining itself to the American people, the press or Congress."

Read more: Another scandal that could take Obama down http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE...#ixzz1RcVWAk8N


And hardly a peep by the MSM....Go figure.

[jackpine savage]

Holder would go long before the President would. I don't know all the details surrounding this but from what I have read it sounds like someone high in the DoJ had a stupid idea and enough clout to get it implemented. Unfortunately the nature of the beast in government is that people aren't given the latitude to question an idea that is flawed, if they do they usually get reprimanded. Often people put into positions of even a little power let it go to their heads while those who are dedicated public servants can get frustrated when trying to change flawed policy.

[Guido4198]

From The Lookout:

"Republican Rep. Darrell Issa of California and Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa asked Attorney General Eric Holder in a letter dated Tuesday whether the FBI and DEA neglected to share key information with the ATF. They say information suggests that some of the high-level targets of the ATF's operation were actually already known to the FBI or DEA--and in some cases, acted as the agencies' paid informants. The Justice Department replied in a letter today that there are ongoing discussions about whether to provide the "sensitive law enforcement information" they're requesting.

"The evidence we have gathered raises the disturbing possibility that the Justice Department not only allowed criminals to smuggle weapons but that taxpayer dollars from other agencies may have financed those engaging in such activities," Issa and Grassley wrote."

Congressman Issa ought to be spending his weekend preparing subpoenas for Holder and Geithner. The GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE of the CONGRESS of the United States is NOT subject to Holder's "discussions" about what to submit or not to submit to a Congressional investigation.