The conundrum of government assistance - Spearboard.com - The World's Largest Spearfishing Diving Boating Social Media Forum

jackpine savage · 02-12-2012, 03:18 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/us...nted=1&_r=1&hp

I thought this was a good article illustrating the complexity of government aid and how people react to it.

Bill McIntyre · 02-12-2012, 04:12 PM

Very good.

HARVESTER · 02-12-2012, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackpine savage

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/us...nted=1&_r=1&hp

I thought this was a good article illustrating the complexity of government aid and how people react to it.

Government assistance...

Government welfare...

Tax you to give it to them so I can purchase votes - so I can make myself all powerful and rich! ME!

I guess if all "free thinkers" got hit directly with the fall-out of what they think they want... well they'd get it...

Men in power buy votes with the money of others and reap power and wealth while "usefull idiots" fight the fight for them...

Why is this not clear? Progressives want it though, because they think those men in power will redistribute the wealth to them, but history keeps repeating and repeating over and over again... you morons...

Free Healthcare! Social Justice! Wealth Inequity!

jackpine savage · 02-12-2012, 04:48 PM

Harvester, based on your response I can only guess you either didn't read the article or you didn't understand it. The article didn't advocate government assistance, rather it showed how people who had traditionally been opposed to government aid had tragically found themselves on it due to economic circumstances. However, they mostly want Congress to address the runaway spending even if that means they do without the assistance since it's in the nations long term interest. There are older people in the article who are stuck as they are no longer in the workforce but those in the article in in their early 50's and younger feel that they have time to adjust to the changing circumstances and that these programs should either end or change drastically.

chuam · 02-13-2012, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HARVESTER

Government assistance...

Government welfare...

Tax you to give it to them so I can purchase votes - so I can make myself all powerful and rich! ME!

I guess if all "free thinkers" got hit directly with the fall-out of what they think they want... well they'd get it...

Men in power buy votes with the money of others and reap power and wealth while "usefull idiots" fight the fight for them...

Why is this not clear? Progressives want it though, because they think those men in power will redistribute the wealth to them, but history keeps repeating and repeating over and over again... you morons...

Free Healthcare! Social Justice! Wealth Inequity!

Dude, read the article before spouting off. You'll look less foolish. Instead of spouting off GOP talking points why not address what the article was about and have a civil discussion instead of all the ridiculous hyperbole.

Alashaman · 02-13-2012, 05:29 PM

Pretty scary that 66% of every dollar the government takes in, goes out in the form of an entitlement program...

40% of every dollar the Government takes in is borrowed and increases our debt...

It isn't very hard to figure out where we will be 10 years from now if we do not end the entitlement programs....

yeskaa · 02-13-2012, 06:29 PM

i think that article is too long for some

. look at that my workday is over thanks for passing my time

Marcus · 02-13-2012, 07:02 PM

A great article on the failure of entitlement programs, thanks.

ocean_314 · 02-14-2012, 10:19 AM

Wow the way the left spins everything to achieve the propaganda they want and how you people fall for it. So now our money is not ours, it belongs to the government and any money that we earn that the government allows us to keep is a subsidy?

SSI and Medicare are entitlements which mean that the people receiving the money from these programs have put money into these programs all their lives by the force of the government taking taxes out of their pay checks.

They are entitled by law to receive money from these programs based on the amounts paid in.

The earned income tax credit is a way to lower ones taxes owed to the government not a payment from the government.

Welfare programs are money given to people who pay nothing in, or in other words taking from those that produce and giving it to those that don’t produce or even work or try to work.

The problems with SSI and Medicare is that the government has spent the trust fund/savings accounts that was supposed to be used for outlays for SSI and Medicare only and filled that bank account with IOUS to the tune of 40 billion dollars. These IOUS are due now and over the next ten years.

The problem with the income tax is that there are to many ways to lowers ones taxes and this is used to buy votes. Today its to the point where half the country pays no federal income tax, with the top 10% pay 70% of that income tax.

You people must realize that when you read the New York Times they are spinning everything so as to influence your vote.

It is only now with the desperate attempt by the left wing press to get Obama reelected is the income tax deductions and SSI and Medicare are now being classified as subsidies.

FYI the oil companies don’t have any special tax breaks; they simply write the expenses of doing business just like every other business.

FYI Apple has more cash on hand and is making more in profit then Exxon. Why is Obama not going after them for having too much cash on hand and making to much profit??? Is it because Apple has not be deemed by Obama to be an "evil" company?

jackpine savage · 02-14-2012, 11:36 AM

Did you read the article?

ocean_314 · 02-14-2012, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackpine savage

Did you read the article?

yes

jackpine savage · 02-14-2012, 01:03 PM

Wow, and you spew off about welfare which wasn't even mentioned in the article. I guess those union CA schools had there effect, you have lousy reading comprehension.

riplipper · 02-14-2012, 03:13 PM

I think most people have compassion for the safety net for those "middle class" people who have paid into the system and now need some help....Key work is "help".

However, it is very very hard to feel sorry for someone who purchased a home priced way above their means and along with it all the toys associated with that purchase. Many of these are the "Buffys and Jodys" spending 110% of their paycheck each month and never saving a dime.

And as usuall the political spin at the end is to create a fight between taxes and cutting SS benifits.....funny they never seem to target Washington's spending and capital hill salaries and benifits....


Home	Tournaments	Calendar	Weather	Merchandise	Sponsors

02-12-2012, 03:18 PM	#1
jackpine savage Heavily armed tree hugger Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Woods Hole, MA Age: 47 Posts: 9,635	The conundrum of government assistance http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/us...nted=1&_r=1&hp I thought this was a good article illustrating the complexity of government aid and how people react to it. __________________ "Here lies the body of Mary Lee; died at the age of a hundred and three. For fifteen years she kept her virginity; not a bad record for this vicinity. "

02-12-2012, 04:12 PM	#2
Bill McIntyre Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Clemente, CA Age: 74 Posts: 39,053	Re: The conundrum of government assistance Very good. __________________ I prefer email at wsbhtr@cox.net rather than PMs

02-12-2012, 04:48 PM	#4
jackpine savage Heavily armed tree hugger Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Woods Hole, MA Age: 47 Posts: 9,635	Re: The conundrum of government assistance Harvester, based on your response I can only guess you either didn't read the article or you didn't understand it. The article didn't advocate government assistance, rather it showed how people who had traditionally been opposed to government aid had tragically found themselves on it due to economic circumstances. However, they mostly want Congress to address the runaway spending even if that means they do without the assistance since it's in the nations long term interest. There are older people in the article who are stuck as they are no longer in the workforce but those in the article in in their early 50's and younger feel that they have time to adjust to the changing circumstances and that these programs should either end or change drastically. __________________ "Here lies the body of Mary Lee; died at the age of a hundred and three. For fifteen years she kept her virginity; not a bad record for this vicinity. "

02-13-2012, 05:29 PM	#6
Alashaman PB 56.2 Lbs Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Thousand Oaks, CA Posts: 1,333	Re: The conundrum of government assistance Pretty scary that 66% of every dollar the government takes in, goes out in the form of an entitlement program... 40% of every dollar the Government takes in is borrowed and increases our debt... It isn't very hard to figure out where we will be 10 years from now if we do not end the entitlement programs.... __________________ 55" Koah Marksman Fatback Rear Handle+http://www.koahspearguns.com/products_and_services Last edited by Alashaman; 02-13-2012 at 06:40 PM.

02-13-2012, 06:29 PM	#7
yeskaa Jess Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: San Bdno CA Age: 36 Posts: 1,389	Re: The conundrum of government assistance i think that article is too long for some . look at that my workday is over thanks for passing my time

02-14-2012, 10:19 AM	#9
ocean_314 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,082	Re: The conundrum of government assistance Wow the way the left spins everything to achieve the propaganda they want and how you people fall for it. So now our money is not ours, it belongs to the government and any money that we earn that the government allows us to keep is a subsidy? SSI and Medicare are entitlements which mean that the people receiving the money from these programs have put money into these programs all their lives by the force of the government taking taxes out of their pay checks. They are entitled by law to receive money from these programs based on the amounts paid in. The earned income tax credit is a way to lower ones taxes owed to the government not a payment from the government. Welfare programs are money given to people who pay nothing in, or in other words taking from those that produce and giving it to those that don’t produce or even work or try to work. The problems with SSI and Medicare is that the government has spent the trust fund/savings accounts that was supposed to be used for outlays for SSI and Medicare only and filled that bank account with IOUS to the tune of 40 billion dollars. These IOUS are due now and over the next ten years. The problem with the income tax is that there are to many ways to lowers ones taxes and this is used to buy votes. Today its to the point where half the country pays no federal income tax, with the top 10% pay 70% of that income tax. You people must realize that when you read the New York Times they are spinning everything so as to influence your vote. It is only now with the desperate attempt by the left wing press to get Obama reelected is the income tax deductions and SSI and Medicare are now being classified as subsidies. FYI the oil companies don’t have any special tax breaks; they simply write the expenses of doing business just like every other business. FYI Apple has more cash on hand and is making more in profit then Exxon. Why is Obama not going after them for having too much cash on hand and making to much profit??? Is it because Apple has not be deemed by Obama to be an "evil" company?

02-14-2012, 11:36 AM	#10
jackpine savage Heavily armed tree hugger Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Woods Hole, MA Age: 47 Posts: 9,635	Re: The conundrum of government assistance Did you read the article? __________________ "Here lies the body of Mary Lee; died at the age of a hundred and three. For fifteen years she kept her virginity; not a bad record for this vicinity. "

02-14-2012, 01:03 PM	#12
jackpine savage Heavily armed tree hugger Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Woods Hole, MA Age: 47 Posts: 9,635	Re: The conundrum of government assistance Wow, and you spew off about welfare which wasn't even mentioned in the article. I guess those union CA schools had there effect, you have lousy reading comprehension. __________________ "Here lies the body of Mary Lee; died at the age of a hundred and three. For fifteen years she kept her virginity; not a bad record for this vicinity. "

02-14-2012, 03:13 PM	#13
riplipper Relax, a beer will help Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fleming Isle/Jax Posts: 2,682	Re: The conundrum of government assistance I think most people have compassion for the safety net for those "middle class" people who have paid into the system and now need some help....Key work is "help". However, it is very very hard to feel sorry for someone who purchased a home priced way above their means and along with it all the toys associated with that purchase. Many of these are the "Buffys and Jodys" spending 110% of their paycheck each month and never saving a dime. And as usuall the political spin at the end is to create a fight between taxes and cutting SS benifits.....funny they never seem to target Washington's spending and capital hill salaries and benifits.... __________________ If it was legal to shoot the stupid, the boat ramp would be a slaughter house.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes	Rate This Thread
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode	Rate This Thread: