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Old 04-20-2012, 11:11 AM   #1
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Fatal great white shark attack on surfer prompts "chumming" debate

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South African championship bodyboarder David Lilienfeld, 20, was killed by a great white shark Thursday in Kogel Bay near Cape Town as he caught waves with his brother, according to local news reports.

A shark estimated to be between 13 and 16 feet long bit off Lilienfeld’s right leg, the reports said.

Witnesses saw the attack from the rocks overlooking the bay, which is part of the larger False Bay.

One of them was Lucille Bester, who said she saw the shark about 20 to 30 yards from Lilienfeld and others in the water but was too far away to catch their attention, according to a report from the Cape Argus on the website Independent Online.

“The next thing we saw the shark come from under one of the guys and grab him. The shark shook him and then let him go. The surfer was screaming – it was terrible!” Bester is quoted as saying.

“Then it took him again. And that was it. It took him under. The first time it took him, there wasn’t any blood. But the second time there was,” Bester told the Cape Argus.

Fellow surfer Mat Marais saw the attack from the beach, according to the report.

“I saw this big dorsal fin, and after that I saw him getting attacked. He was off his board and in the water. Then the shark turned around and attacked him again. Just before it attacked him, he tried to put his board between him and the shark. He was pushing the shark’s head with his board.

“But within two seconds, the water turned from turquoise to red,” the Cape Argus quoted Marais as saying.

Lilienfeld’s brother, Gustav, got his body to shore, according to a report in the Cape Times.

The bodyboarder’s father, Dirk Lilienfeld, gave police a statement for the gathered media, according to the Cape Times.

“This was his life, and he died doing what he loved,” police said the father told them.

Lilienfeld placed third in the South African Bodyboarding Association’s 2011 pro rankings and competed for South Africa in November’s world games.

“It’s a humongous loss to South African Bodyboarding. He was a well mannered boy and did his best for South African Bodyboarding,” the vice chairman of the group, Pat Harris, told local Eyewitness News.

After the attack, witnesses reported that the shark that killed Lilienfeld was one of six spotted in the area, Craig Lambinon, a spokesman for the National Sea Rescue Institute, told the Cape Times.

Some pointed a finger at researchers and documentary filmmakers who were working in the area earlier in the week and using chum to attract sharks to their cameras, using Facebook and Twitter to protest.

“Why does a kid have to die before we start talking about the negative effects of chumming the coastline?? Pisses me off!!” wrote Karen Zoid under the hashtag “sharkattack” on Twitter.

“Chumming must stop and the exploitation of our wildlife in Africa must stop this is all about greed and money,” according to a Facebook posting under the name Monica Rogers.

Documentary maker Chris Fischer defended the filming on the Facebook page for the show “Shark Men,” seen on the National Geographic Channel, saying the crew had left the area three days earlier.

“During our 24 hrs of work (Sun afternoon to Monday afternoon) there we chummed 24kg (53 pounds) of pilchards (sardines). Less than the daily allotment for each of three cage diving boats working daily,” the post said. “We have been east of Cape Agulhas (160km east of Seal Island) since Monday evening until we arrived in Walker Bay(80km East of Seal Island) this morning.”

“We are terribly sorry again for the loss of this family and at this time our thoughts and prayers are with them,” it read.

Fischer’s group had a government permit for the chumming and filming, but it was revoked after Thursday’s attack, according to the local news reports.

In a news release dated April 11, researcher and great white photographer Dirk Schmidt warned that chumming could bring sharks to the area and keep them there.

“A sharp increase in the number of White Sharks may be noted during and after the filming has been completed, as these sharks, initially attracted by volumes of chum to the Seal Island area, find their way around the bay.* The dispersal of a massive chum slick, given on-shore winds, may further increase the number of inshore sharks which cruise the chum slick in search of food,” Schmidt wrote.

CapeTimes columnist Tony Weaver, a surfer and diver in the waters where the shark attacked, on Friday called for an end to chumming.
“Could there indeed be a link between chumming and shark attacks? Does chumming bring sharks closer inshore? Does it make sharks go in search of easier prey?” Weaver wrote.

“Until we have a scientific answer, chumming in False Bay must be banned,” he wrote.

National Geographic issued a statement saying Fischer’s current work was not part of any project for the network.

“We have not renewed the series, have no plans to at the moment, and are not filming new episodes at this time. Therefore, the filming mentioned is not for National Geographic Channel, or future episodes of Shark Men,” the network said, according to a report on the South African website ITweb.
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I wouldn't want anyone chumming up the water anywhere I dive or surf. Just seems like common sense to me.

RIP to a fellow waterman and sponger.
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Old 04-20-2012, 11:31 AM   #2
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Re: Fatal great white shark attack on surfer prompts "chumming" debate

Asi,
David was the nephew of my friend ,Eric Fattah ; the famous Frenzel equalizing author and world record freediver. Very sad news for the family of a beloved young man.
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Old 04-20-2012, 01:46 PM   #3
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Re: Fatal great white shark attack on surfer prompts "chumming" debate

Carla, please send my condolences to his family and let them know that we are touched by their loss as far away as Los Angeles.
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Old 04-21-2012, 01:23 AM   #4
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rediculous that so called researchers are chumming up sharks near the line up. bad practice and worse science IMO.
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Old 04-21-2012, 02:32 AM   #5
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The pacific star dive boat was chuming for white sharks up here for cage dives near a popular surf spot and seal haul out . Fish and game changed the definition of chuming to where it is considered fishing and since you can't fish for whites it shut him down . White shark cage dive trips have ruined guadallupe island for divers .
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Old 04-28-2012, 07:18 PM   #6
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I disagree with the premise... the sharks are already there. That bay is swarming with seals. To chum for sharks is just like whistling at a passing dog... it will show interest, come in, stick around, but in the end it's not changing the sharks behavior. The sharks don't eat the chum. If Fischer and his team were there three days earlier, big deal. There are sharks in that bay all the time regardless of some ground up sardines dispersed 72 hrs earlier.
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Old 04-29-2012, 10:23 AM   #7
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sad destiny!
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chuming for white sharks up here for cage dives...
Off False Bay coast is the Seal island (pic): thousands of seal leave there year long. It's an easy daily snack for the numerous GW patrolling all around: natur has been working naturally there for centuries...

GW breaching trips and cage diving are the main tourist star attraction.
So GW get conditioned all the time to attack++ lures and bait. Really terrifying while observing the agressivity of these predators: a surfer was obviously a possible prey.
GW shark protection is a leitmotive all around...
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Re: Fatal great white shark attack on surfer prompts "chumming" debate

I'm with you on this. I used to know guys doing GW shark research at the Farallons. They never chummed but towed all sorts of shit around behind their Boston Whaler to see what most simulated GW prey and triggered a hit. The #1 most successful "lure" was any surfboard between about 6 and 8 feet. The sharks would hit them from below like crazy, just like a gigantic trout hitting a dry fly. Bigger than that and the sharks pretty much left it alone. It was all about presenting a silhouette that was approximately the size and shape of a young elephant seal.

Another good reason to ride a long board, IMO.

The fur seals in S. Africa are smaller than a young elephant seal, so they're probably conditioned to hit a slightly smaller silhouette.



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I disagree with the premise... the sharks are already there. That bay is swarming with seals. To chum for sharks is just like whistling at a passing dog... it will show interest, come in, stick around, but in the end it's not changing the sharks behavior. The sharks don't eat the chum. If Fischer and his team were there three days earlier, big deal. There are sharks in that bay all the time regardless of some ground up sardines dispersed 72 hrs earlier.
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