Salt Creek Poacher?

[Bill McIntyre]

Well hell, I can't resist. I haven't been diving since here the thirties- I wasn't born until 1939. But I did dive here from 1965 to 1967 before leaving for Vietnam, and then from 1975 until the present. Maybe green abs were up in 10 feet of water, but I don't recall getting them there. I think most were probably out in 20 to 30 feet of water, where they started overlapping with pinks. If they did their population surveys at 30 feet, they did them where I hunted for them.

OTOH, I really don't know whether BSB change sexes.

[Master-Blaster]

Originally Posted by Bill McIntyre

Well hell, I can't resist. I haven't been diving since here the thirties- I wasn't born until 1939. But I did dive here from 1965 to 1967 before leaving for Vietnam, and then from 1975 until the present. Maybe green abs were up in 10 feet of water, but I don't recall getting them there. I think most were probably out in 20 to 30 feet of water, where they started overlapping with pinks. If they did their population surveys at 30 feet, they did them where I hunted for them.

OTOH, I really don't know whether BSB change sexes.

I was not around for the 1930s, or Vietnam, or the decline, but I CAN show you several hundred green abs in one of many of lagunas coves sometime, in about 5-12 feet of water, then we can swim out to 25 feet or so, and you will be LUCKY to find more than 2 or 3. I dont know if environmental changes caused the abs to move in closer, or if it has always been that way, but I would put my money on the latter.

Also, I thought too, that only the small east coast species changed sexes, and that the info was incorrect, but after a little research I discovered that our local species is also hermaphroditic, but in a slightly different way.

[Ethan kills]

I am not trying to gang up on anybody but from what I have seen the green abs live in pretty shallow water, probably around 10-15 feet. They are literally under every ledge and hole in LJ. From childrens pool down to boomers they are everywhere, some the size of footballs it looks like. When I first started seeing them I thought it was pretty special but these days I don't think too much of them, I see a bunch of them every time I dive.

[vincent]

So many derails..but..

Let's say a lotto system is created for BSB. With the lack of enforcement already at hand, I would assume there would be plenty of BSB poaching going on if some fisherman were allowed catch of trophy bsb and it would be hard to tell who is poaching and who is not off the bat. And if we, as non-DFG enforcers, try to approach and probe, wouldn't we be breaking the law by hindering the legal catch of a recreational fisherman (if they were fishing legitimately). It would be similiar to some idiot walking up to you and saying your 23" halibut was illegal.

Now how would DFG prevent a problem like this?

We've all seen lobsters ripped in half in the water so they can be hidden easily and poached. It probably happens all the time. Are all those guys stopped?

[Mr Paul]

I think in California, if two BSB of the same sex want to get married, they should be allowed to. Wait, what were we talking about again?

[CaseyR]

Originally Posted by Mr Paul

I think in California, if two BSB of the same sex want to get married, they should be allowed to. Wait, what were we talking about again?

I think they were talking about BSB marrying abalone...?

[Jolinedaniel]

Originally Posted by CaseyR

I think they were talking about BSB marrying abalone...?

Oh well that's just disgusting

[Ethan kills]

Originally Posted by Mr Paul

I think in California, if two BSB of the same sex want to get married, they should be allowed to. Wait, what were we talking about again?

You told me you loved me.

[phil herranen]

Originally Posted by vincent

So many derails..but..

Let's say a lotto system is created for BSB. With the lack of enforcement already at hand, I would assume there would be plenty of BSB poaching going on if some fisherman were allowed catch of trophy bsb and it would be hard to tell who is poaching and who is not off the bat. And if we, as non-DFG enforcers, try to approach and probe, wouldn't we be breaking the law by hindering the legal catch of a recreational fisherman (if they were fishing legitimately). It would be similiar to some idiot walking up to you and saying your 23" halibut was illegal.

Now how would DFG prevent a problem like this?

We've all seen lobsters ripped in half in the water so they can be hidden easily and poached. It probably happens all the time. Are all those guys stopped?

i think all cars should be speed limited to 65mph and there should be chips in the city streets to limit cars to the posted limit there . too many people speed and there is not enuff enforcement to stop them all , so how can we allow any car to go faster than the limit?

if we fallow your reasoning you wouldn't be able to elk hunt ,or deer hunt ,or hunt or fish . when deer hunting you tag your deer , same thing with abalone . all dfg would have to do is have a tag you put on the fish , no tag = poacher it has been that way for a hundred years for big game and it works
phil
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[Chainsaw]

Originally Posted by Albondiga

I dove this weekend and did not see a single one
Perhaps we should get a good count of the population before we throw out shoulds and coulds.

That is because you have to dive under water. And hold your breath.
Actually swimming on the surface is not diving my friend, that's snokeling.
Perhaps you SHOULD learn to dive better, then you COULD see a black sea bass.

[Bill McIntyre]

Well hell, I knew I shouldn't have tried to tell what I saw before ab diving was closed, especially with the great Master-Blaster aboard.

I used to dive from shore in Laguna in the 60s and don't recall seeing greens so shallow, but maybe the snorkelers got the shallow ones. I don't dive from shore now, so I'll have to take the word of the experts on how many they see in the shallows.

[Master-Blaster]

Originally Posted by Bill McIntyre

Well hell, I knew I shouldn't have tried to tell what I saw before ab diving was closed, especially with the great Master-Blaster aboard.

I used to dive from shore in Laguna in the 60s and don't recall seeing greens so shallow, but maybe the snorkelers got the shallow ones. I don't dive from shore now, so I'll have to take the word of the experts on how many they see in the shallows.

You didnt see green abs in that shallow because you were a tank diver (most tank divers are oblivious to anything in thier environment other than lobsters and photo opportunities).

Why would you be using a tank to look for abs in under 10 feet of water? You wouldnt, which leads me to believe you swam right by hundreds of them on the way to deeper water. You also wouldnt fit back in the crevices and caves that they dwell in.

If you pull your head out of your ass Bill you might learn something from the younger crowd, rather than use your old age as an excuse to validate your narrow minded opinions.

Old dogs CAN learn new tricks, but not while sitting at home talking about the old days on the computer.

[Bill McIntyre]

Well shit! I thought I dove with young guys. Dam is 26 and Joel is in his 30s. Almost everyone I dive with is in his 20s or 30s. They just don't happen to be angry assholes like you. Do you want me to go to teenagers?

Now that you seem to have made me your crusade, who are you? Like most tough talkers, your profile doesn't say your name, age, or where you live. All I see is the "Bottom Dweller" under your user name, and that does seem appropriate.

[Bill McIntyre]

Just in case anyone is still actually interested in discussion rather than comparing dick size, here is an idea to kick around.

In the 60s and 70s, blacks were thicker than flies in the intertidal zone and shallows, even if we didn't want to eat them. Then they got wiped out by withering foot disease and haven't recovered. Is it possible that I wasn't seeing many greens in the shallows because all the habitat was occupied by black? Is it possible that greens are filling some of the habitat made available by the departure of blacks?

I'm no scientist, but I realize that there are limitations to this idea. For instance, I used to see whites as thick as flies below 70 feet in Wilson Cove, San Clemente Island. Whites seem to prefer deeper water, so no matter how many holes are available in water less than 10 feet deep, we aren't going to see whites filling the space. But since the depth preferences of greens and blacks have some overlap, maybe greens are moving up into territory previously occupied by blacks.

BTW, didn't this thread start out being about black sea bass?

[one_drake]

Originally Posted by Master-Blaster

You didnt see green abs in that shallow because you were a tank diver (most tank divers are oblivious to anything in thier environment other than lobsters and photo opportunities).

Why would you be using a tank to look for abs in under 10 feet of water? You wouldnt, which leads me to believe you swam right by hundreds of them on the way to deeper water. You also wouldnt fit back in the crevices and caves that they dwell in.

If you pull your head out of your ass Bill you might learn something from the younger crowd, rather than use your old age as an excuse to validate your narrow minded opinions.

Old dogs CAN learn new tricks, but not while sitting at home talking about the old days on the computer.

Your very off base if you think Bill doesn't learn from your "Younger Crowd." I have had the opportunity to dive with Bill and talk every gun set up, fish behavior, boats, floats, and tactics. His opinions are most likely honed from not just his diving but his exposure to the sea over a long time. But i am 28 obviously another Old idiot.

In other news, I got to see a Bald Eagle and a Huge BSB yesterday. I thought it would be so cool to harvest one, but i don't think i could swim around with a gun big enough or carry enough Float line or reel line to harvest one.