Shooting at Dark Knight Rises Premiere.

[JJohansen]

There really is no policy or law to stop this kind of evil from happening, but the situation begs a question-

Would you rather you and your family be in that theater where no one but the shooter was armed, or would you rather be in that same theater where one or two of your fellow citizens was armed?

I don't know what the outcome would be had someone been armed, and it is possible that it would have done no good at all. I do know that had I been given the choice, I would much rather be in the theater where someone conceivably could have fought back.

[FreeRestriction]

Originally Posted by Bill McIntyre

OK, when it got too hard talking about the specifics such as concealed carry, your trotted out the NRA Party Line. Advocating any restriction means that "they" want to take all our guns.

Im not sure i follow?

[FreeRestriction]

Originally Posted by hogphish

Bill, The above scenario happened to an ATF off duty officer recently I believe in Fl. He shot the perp. Arriving officers witnessed the shooting and killed the ATF guy. And to FreeRestriction I don't think you are commenting based on any reasonable personal experience.

Yep it happened... so that single story must mean every time a good guy tries to help everyone will pay the price for his foolish actions....

A perfect example... a few sad stories is your entire basis for emotional reaction.. Rational thinking says this story is just an unfourtunate chain of events that more times then not WONT happen.

What exactly do you consider reasonable personal experience so i can respond with a correct or incorrect to your claim? And im assuming youll meet the criteria you give for me aswell.

[STITCH]

Originally Posted by Bill McIntyre

Help me follow this. Are you saying that if New York had been issuing carry permits for years, then the cops would have been more likely to assume that the ATF agent was legally carrying?

What about the line I always hear that crooks don't care about gun laws anyway, so restricting guns won't help? The police officers arrived and saw a guy shoot a perp. I doubt that if NY was free with carry permits, they would have assumed that the shooter was legal and well trained.

Or did I miss your point?

My point is that if your used to being around firearms and understand that good guys carry to, then you are less likely to flip when you see a person with a gun. Firearms are a part of life for many people and completely nonexistent to others. NY Police were taught gun + public - badge = badguy 100% of the time and I guess for good reason since they weren't allowed to be carried by civis. And I'm pretty sure that incident occurred only months after the law changed and who's to know the officer even knew about the change in the law. Hell, I had an in depth conversation with an officer that had no clue they were trying to pass open carry in Florida. I got the "that will cause mayhem response" even though 44 states already allow it without issue.

Kinda how a lot of people that don't dive think all sharks will eat you on site, but those of us who do dive, know better. That probably would have covered the whole above paragraph, oh well.

[STITCH]

Semantics, theories and politics aside; here is an article paying homage to those lost.

RIP
Jonathan T. Blunk, 26
Alexander J. Boik, 18
Air Force Staff Sgt. Jesse E. Childress, 29
Gordon W. Cowden, 51
Jessica Ghawi, 24
Navy Petty Officer 3rd Class John Thomas Larimer, 27
Matthew R. McQuinn, 27
Micayla C. Medek, 23
Veronica Moser-Sullivan, 6
Alex M. Sullivan, 27
Alexander C. Teves, 24
Rebecca Ann Wingo, 32


http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/21/us/col...ss_igoogle_cnn

[hogphish]

Originally Posted by FreeRestriction

Yep it happened... so that single story must mean every time a good guy tries to help everyone will pay the price for his foolish actions....

A perfect example... a few sad stories is your entire basis for emotional reaction.. Rational thinking says this story is just an unfourtunate chain of events that more times then not WONT happen.

What exactly do you consider reasonable personal experience so i can respond with a correct or incorrect to your claim? And im assuming youll meet the criteria you give for me aswell.

This is the first and only time I will respond to this question. I started one of the first SWAT medic teams in the state of Florida. Although I am a physician I was also A LEO

[FreeRestriction]

Originally Posted by hogphish

This is the first and only time I will respond to this question. I started one of the first SWAT medic teams in the state of Florida. Although I am a physician I was also A LEO

I train often aswell... unfourtunatly no one pays me to do it though...

[spearhunter11]

FreeRestriction Do you practice with people shooting back at you? I like all your comments on carrying and dropping the bad guys. When bullets are whizzing by your head and people are getting shot all around you shit exploding it is kinda hard to keep a level head. It is easy for people to sit back in the calm and say what shoulda, woulda, could of happened.

[FreeRestriction]

Originally Posted by spearhunter11

FreeRestriction Do you practice with people shooting back at you? I like all your comments on carrying and dropping the bad guys. When bullets are whizzing by your head and people are getting shot all around you shit exploding it is kinda hard to keep a level head. It is easy for people to sit back in the calm and say what shoulda, woulda, could of happened.

Well i have had bullets whizzing relatively close during training but they were never directed AT me, rather at targets beyond me. Theres no way for anyone to train 100% for the reality of a gunfight thats for sure. All you can do is make a half assed attempt at creating stress through timed, exhausting drills. But it really is no comparison.

But i dont think a person must be shot AT to have a valid opinion that more lives will be saved if more people carried. I dont think a person even has to own a gun to make that assumption. To say that some one must be a LEO or have been shot at to have a valid opinion on gun control excludes even the current president. Maybe the specifics i give scenarios dont hold much weight but i dont feel tgat a LEO has any more credability than me based on his badge alone. If a gang banger who has been shot at has an opinion on this subject does he have more credability then a LEO who hasnt.

[toggy]

Originally Posted by STITCH

Semantics, theories and politics aside; here is an article paying homage to those lost.

RIP
Jonathan T. Blunk, 26
Alexander J. Boik, 18
Air Force Staff Sgt. Jesse E. Childress, 29
Gordon W. Cowden, 51
Jessica Ghawi, 24
Navy Petty Officer 3rd Class John Thomas Larimer, 27
Matthew R. McQuinn, 27
Micayla C. Medek, 23
Veronica Moser-Sullivan, 6
Alex M. Sullivan, 27
Alexander C. Teves, 24
Rebecca Ann Wingo, 32


http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/21/us/col...ss_igoogle_cnn

Thank you for posting this. So sad...

[Marcus]

No sadder than that many more people that die every single day in America due to murder/robbery/etc...
I'm sorry but I don't see this as being any more tragic. The MSM is making it out to be though...and for nefarious purposes, IMO. Enacting gun control legislation is a HUGE part of the establishment's agenda. This is very evident given "Fast and Furious".
If anyone thinks that taking away guns from law abiding citizens will stop any of this...you need your head examined. That has to be one of the most asinine illogical thought ever.

[Fis_Hunter]

My thoughts and prayers have been with those who have died and thier friends family and loved ones for some time now.

As I read these posts I am saddened.

I do not think this will be the last time we will fell heartbreak for others. It has become a fact of life for us in our society.

Think back to some of our other tragities, colombine, Virginia Tec, Oakland Christian school shooting, Fort Hood, and Arora. There are many more incidents in workplaces across the country.

One thing they have in common is they all happened in places which have restrictions on the carrying of Firearms.

Think about this from a spearfishing standpoint, what happens when you congragate a bunch of defensless fish in one place? You attract Preditors, Larger fish which feed on the weak and helpless. They chase them into areas where they can feed on as many as they wish.

This appears to be exactly what this killer did. He entered a place where he was reasonably sure he would find no resistance. He chased his victims into a confined space the exit and began killing at will.

Why did he stop? Who knows.

People are so caught up in the fact that he had body armor on and they think it would take a head shot to kill him. This could be true but what most fail to understand is that you would not realy need to kill him. Just hit him a bullet strike on soft armor hurts and you will physicaly react.

His goal is to take out as many people as he can If you start shooting at him he will be destracted from what he intends to do and will begin to focus on who is shooting at him. It is natural. If you think he would not know where the shot came from you have never fired in a dark room.

The majority of the recent Killers have stopped killing when they have encountered resistance they are not ready for someone to fight back.

They are like dogs killing sheep they just start killing and only stop when they are exausted or are confronted by a sheeps protector.

In our society our protectors are the police. No matter how good the police in your community they will still take time to come to your aide. Think about how long it will take for an armed police officer to arrive and save you.

What ever that number is now think how many times a Killler can pull a trigger before the police arrive. Once you have consiered these things you can make the choice if you would rather be armed to protect yourself and others or take your chanes.

If your choice is to remain unarmed and take your chanes I respect your choice.

I just ask you to respect my choice.

Thank you.

[FreeRestriction]

Well said Fis Hunter...

[Calif_Diver]

Originally Posted by FreeRestriction

Well said Fis Hunter...

x2,
Why did he stop? Who knows.

I heard that his AR-15 jammed and they think that is when he stopped shooting and left he theater or there probably would have been more people shot,and he surrendered as soon as approached by LEO.

[Marcus]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz21J8EauE1

"EXCLUSIVE: Remorseless mass-murder suspect James Holmes was locked up alone Saturday over fears that the self-proclaimed Joker would become a target for other inmates.

The man accused in the Colorado movie theater massacre was still behaving erratically on the day after his rampage at a midnight screening of “The Dark Night Rises” — the last film in the Batman trilogy.

“Let’s just say he hasn’t shown any remorse,” a jail employee told the Daily News. “He thinks he’s acting in a movie.”

A released inmate said Holmes’ behavior behind bars was increasingly irrational.

“He was spitting at the door and spitting at the guards,” the inmate told The News. “He's spitting at everything. Dude was acting crazy.”..."

Hmmmm....