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RichT · 10-26-2005, 06:12 PM

Tommorow is the day of one of the bigger battles in the continuing Grouper war.
Tommorow afternoon the FRA/CCA lawsuit against the governments temporary rule will be heard before a federal judge in Ft. Myers.

If we win... it should be a MAJOR turning point in how things are done by those entrusted to manage our fisheries.

If we lose... it will still not be the end of the world however. We will have shown that we will not sit idly by while foolish decisions are made by foolish people.
We will have shown that the recreational community will sue.
We will also have ammo against the permanent rule if the Gulf Council decides to move forward with the permanent rules.

We will have also learned that if we Dont get involved early enough we will be steamrolled.

A special thanks go out to Webbers(Scott Weber) and MCJarret(Frank Anderson) who have spent litterally HUNDREDS of hours on this lawsuit for FREE!
These guys are freakin Awesome!

Many others have contributed to this battle and you all deserve a big thanks as well!

Lets all keep our fingers crossed that the Judge will be able to see through the NMFS dog and pony show.

Marcus · 10-26-2005, 07:15 PM

I've got my fingers crossed!

ScottZeagle · 10-26-2005, 10:02 PM

Best of luck, fellas!

Thanks Scott and Frank for all your hard work - along with everyone involved in the FRA!!!!

Scott

inletsurf · 10-26-2005, 10:27 PM

Best of luck to you guys.

Screen Name · 10-27-2005, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichTaylor

A special thanks go out to Webbers(Scott Weber) and MCJarret(Frank Anderson) who have spent litterally HUNDREDS of hours on this lawsuit for FREE!
These guys are freakin Awesome!

Win or lose, you guys have done one of the best services for our sport that any man in the past has.

Thank YOU!

Steel Shootin' · 10-27-2005, 07:32 AM

Frank and Scott: Thanks for all your hard work and time that you have into this cause!

Ed Walker · 10-27-2005, 07:45 AM

Holding my breath....

PatMyGreen · 10-27-2005, 09:15 AM

Same here.

*Ray Odor* · 10-27-2005, 09:54 AM

Can anyone immagine how far this would not have gone if not for Scott's Spearboard?
Thank's, Scott, and thanks for all the time spent by Frank, Denny, Rich ---- Hey, to all you guys who have pitched in at the meetings, etc.
Ray

Divin' fool · 10-27-2005, 11:32 AM

Kudos to Webbers and MCJarret....

Thanks!!

Blind Squirrel · 10-27-2005, 02:11 PM

Guys, thaks all for the effort. Especially those who do it for the love of the sport. Without volunteers and many eyes paying attention, we would definitely be hosed.

BwanaR · 10-27-2005, 06:36 PM

Exactly.....Thanks to all who have worked on this battle. Hope there's good news soon!

RichT · 10-27-2005, 08:25 PM

Just briefly... Todays hearing in Ft. Myers Federal Court this afternoon... The FRA/CCA's Lawsuit against the Feds lasted nearly 3 hours when it was only supposed to last 1.
The Judge decided to hold off on his decision until possibly as late as Monday.
The judge appeared very interested in the case and asked a lot of questions to both sides.
Very tough to get a read on how it will go down but I remain optimistic about the outcome.

RichT · 10-28-2005, 07:44 AM

I would like to point out one thing the Governments lawyer said during yesterdays hearing which rubbed me the wrong way and should rub every single person who either wrote in or attended public input on the grouper issue.IMO

The lead government lawyer used the exact words "HECKLERS VETO" when speaking about it.

Its on the public record.btw
Our lawyers reminded the judge and government attorney that far more people wrote letters and turned in public comment cards than the ENTIRE sample size of MRFSS estimates around the entire state of Florida!

Is this what our government thinks of OUR input!? "Hecklers Veto"!?

If you havent wrote a letter yet... I seriously suggest you write to your elected officials and tell them that if "you" are not heard... "they" will not have a job come time the next election rolls around.

Blind Squirrel · 10-28-2005, 08:29 AM

I like that, that b*sta*rd works for us, THE HECKLERS. I wonder if we can get him fired from his, I bet, very lucrative government position. Or if he is a contractor, get it cancelled. I feel a letter to Hogarth coming.


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10-26-2005, 06:12 PM	#1
RichT Rich Taylor Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 3,044	Major battle tommorow. Tommorow is the day of one of the bigger battles in the continuing Grouper war. Tommorow afternoon the FRA/CCA lawsuit against the governments temporary rule will be heard before a federal judge in Ft. Myers. If we win... it should be a MAJOR turning point in how things are done by those entrusted to manage our fisheries. If we lose... it will still not be the end of the world however. We will have shown that we will not sit idly by while foolish decisions are made by foolish people. We will have shown that the recreational community will sue. We will also have ammo against the permanent rule if the Gulf Council decides to move forward with the permanent rules. We will have also learned that if we Dont get involved early enough we will be steamrolled. A special thanks go out to Webbers(Scott Weber) and MCJarret(Frank Anderson) who have spent litterally HUNDREDS of hours on this lawsuit for FREE! These guys are freakin Awesome! Many others have contributed to this battle and you all deserve a big thanks as well! Lets all keep our fingers crossed that the Judge will be able to see through the NMFS dog and pony show.

10-26-2005, 10:02 PM	#3
ScottZeagle www.Zeagle.com Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Zephyrhills, FL Age: 47 Posts: 2,907	Re: Major battle tommorow. Best of luck, fellas! Thanks Scott and Frank for all your hard work - along with everyone involved in the FRA!!!! Scott

10-26-2005, 10:27 PM	#4
inletsurf Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Melboring, Florida Posts: 7,353	Re: Major battle tommorow. Best of luck to you guys.

10-27-2005, 07:32 AM	#6
Steel Shootin' Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 6,836	Re: Major battle tommorow. Frank and Scott: Thanks for all your hard work and time that you have into this cause!

10-27-2005, 07:45 AM	#7
Ed Walker Man of leisure Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Coast of Florida Posts: 2,586	Re: Major battle tommorow. Holding my breath.... __________________ It is what it is.

10-27-2005, 09:15 AM	#8
PatMyGreen Panama City Dive Charters Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Panama City Beach, Fl Age: 34 Posts: 3,758	Re: Major battle tommorow. Same here. __________________ -Capt Patrick Green $3 AIR FILLS $5 NITROX in Panama City Beach, Fl? Panama City Dive Charters The Most Spear Friendly Dive Shop in Panama City. Panama City Diving

10-27-2005, 09:54 AM	#9
Ray Odor Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lutz, Fl. Posts: 923	Re: Major battle tommorow. Can anyone immagine how far this would not have gone if not for Scott's Spearboard? Thank's, Scott, and thanks for all the time spent by Frank, Denny, Rich ---- Hey, to all you guys who have pitched in at the meetings, etc. Ray __________________ Type in Google,Ray Odor

10-27-2005, 11:32 AM	#10
Divin' fool EC Reformed FREEshafter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Orlando area Posts: 1,946	Re: Major battle tommorow. Kudos to Webbers and MCJarret.... Thanks!! __________________ "If you're not living on the edge....you're taking up too much space" Voice your opinion...join FRA!!

10-27-2005, 02:11 PM	#11
Blind Squirrel Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: St Pete Posts: 360	Re: Major battle tommorow. Guys, thaks all for the effort. Especially those who do it for the love of the sport. Without volunteers and many eyes paying attention, we would definitely be hosed. __________________ Even a blind squirrel eventuallly finds a big fish! Sean Gucken Just a Spearfisherman helping to protect ALL recreational fishermen www.ccaflorida.org www.thefra.org "Big Pig Drunken Divers Club" Join CCA

10-27-2005, 06:36 PM	#12
BwanaR Richard Daniel Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 757	Re: Major battle tommorow. Exactly.....Thanks to all who have worked on this battle. Hope there's good news soon!

10-27-2005, 08:25 PM	#13
RichT Rich Taylor Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 3,044	Re: Major battle tommorow. Just briefly... Todays hearing in Ft. Myers Federal Court this afternoon... The FRA/CCA's Lawsuit against the Feds lasted nearly 3 hours when it was only supposed to last 1. The Judge decided to hold off on his decision until possibly as late as Monday. The judge appeared very interested in the case and asked a lot of questions to both sides. Very tough to get a read on how it will go down but I remain optimistic about the outcome.

10-28-2005, 07:44 AM	#14
RichT Rich Taylor Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 3,044	Re: Major battle tommorow. I would like to point out one thing the Governments lawyer said during yesterdays hearing which rubbed me the wrong way and should rub every single person who either wrote in or attended public input on the grouper issue.IMO The lead government lawyer used the exact words "HECKLERS VETO" when speaking about it. Its on the public record.btw Our lawyers reminded the judge and government attorney that far more people wrote letters and turned in public comment cards than the ENTIRE sample size of MRFSS estimates around the entire state of Florida! Is this what our government thinks of OUR input!? "Hecklers Veto"!? If you havent wrote a letter yet... I seriously suggest you write to your elected officials and tell them that if "you" are not heard... "they" will not have a job come time the next election rolls around.

10-28-2005, 08:29 AM	#15
Blind Squirrel Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: St Pete Posts: 360	Re: Major battle tommorow. I like that, that bstard works for us, THE HECKLERS. I wonder if we can get him fired from his, I bet, very lucrative government position. Or if he is a contractor, get it cancelled. I feel a letter to Hogarth coming. __________________ Even a blind squirrel eventuallly finds a big fish! Sean Gucken Just a Spearfisherman helping to protect ALL recreational fishermen www.ccaflorida.org www.thefra.org "Big Pig Drunken Divers Club" Join CCA

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