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Old 11-03-2006, 11:40 PM   #1
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Time for Rummy to go

Army Times: "Time for Rumsfeld to go"

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An editorial scheduled to appear on Monday in Army Times, Air Force Times, Navy Times and Marine Corps Times, calls for the resignation of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

The papers are sold to American servicemen and women. They are published by the Military Times Media Group, which is a subsidiary of Gannett Co., Inc.

Here is the text of the editorial, an advance copy of which we received this afternoon.

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Time for Rumsfeld to go

"So long as our government requires the backing of an aroused and informed public opinion ... it is necessary to tell the hard bruising truth."

That statement was written by Pulitzer Prize-winning war correspondent Marguerite Higgins more than a half-century ago during the Korean War.

But until recently, the "hard bruising" truth about the Iraq war has been difficult to come by from leaders in Washington. One rosy reassurance after another has been handed down by President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld: "mission accomplished," the insurgency is "in its last throes," and "back off," we know what we're doing, are a few choice examples.

Military leaders generally toed the line, although a few retired generals eventually spoke out from the safety of the sidelines, inciting criticism equally from anti-war types, who thought they should have spoken out while still in uniform, and pro-war foes, who thought the generals should have kept their critiques behind closed doors.

Now, however, a new chorus of criticism is beginning to resonate. Active-duty military leaders are starting to voice misgivings about the war's planning, execution and dimming prospects for success.

Army Gen. John Abizaid, chief of U.S. Central Command, told a Senate Armed Services Committee in September: "I believe that the sectarian violence is probably as bad as I've seen it ... and that if not stopped, it is possible that Iraq could move towards civil war."

Last week, someone leaked to The New York Times a Central Command briefing slide showing an assessment that the civil conflict in Iraq now borders on "critical" and has been sliding toward "chaos" for most of the past year. The strategy in Iraq has been to train an Iraqi army and police force that could gradually take over for U.S. troops in providing for the security of their new government and their nation.

But despite the best efforts of American trainers, the problem of molding a viciously sectarian population into anything resembling a force for national unity has become a losing proposition.


For two years, American sergeants, captains and majors training the Iraqis have told their bosses that Iraqi troops have no sense of national identity, are only in it for the money, don't show up for duty and cannot sustain themselves.

Meanwhile, colonels and generals have asked their bosses for more troops. Service chiefs have asked for more money.

And all along, Rumsfeld has assured us that things are well in hand.

Now, the president says he'll stick with Rumsfeld for the balance of his term in the White House.

This is a mistake.

It is one thing for the majority of Americans to think Rumsfeld has failed. But when the nation's current military leaders start to break publicly with their defense secretary, then it is clear that he is losing control of the institution he ostensibly leads.

These officers have been loyal public promoters of a war policy many privately feared would fail. They have kept their counsel private, adhering to more than two centuries of American tradition of subordination of the military to civilian authority.

And although that tradition, and the officers' deep sense of honor, prevent them from saying this publicly, more and more of them believe it.

Rumsfeld has lost credibility with the uniformed leadership, with the troops, with Congress and with the public at large. His strategy has failed, and his ability to lead is compromised. And although the blame for our failures in Iraq rests with the secretary, it will be the troops who bear its brunt.

This is not about the midterm elections. Regardless of which party wins Nov. 7, the time has come, Mr. President, to face the hard bruising truth:

Donald Rumsfeld must go.
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Old 11-04-2006, 02:08 AM   #2
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Thanks Chaum. I can hardly wait to see this in hard copy in my copy of Marine Times when I get home. I may cut it out and frame it.
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Old 11-04-2006, 09:06 AM   #3
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Another trash article from the left leaning media.
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Old 11-04-2006, 09:07 AM   #4
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Old 11-04-2006, 09:10 AM   #5
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Old 11-04-2006, 09:31 AM   #6
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I actually agree about Rumsfield... I wont villify him, but if his plan/actions havent played out yet, they probably wont. Would you keep a CEO in place for this long if he wasnt able to pull the company out of the hole, or would you replace him with someone that has a different idea?
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Old 11-04-2006, 10:04 AM   #7
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Is Ford actually doing that bad? It amazes me that any US car company can make it when you see what they pay out, and the benny packages that have been in place for decades... Especially with such a economy-driven business....
I always wondered how Iacocca deserved such praise for saving Dodge when about any car company could turn it around with a huge govt bailout loan like he got... Ford could probably do the same...
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Old 11-04-2006, 12:00 PM   #9
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The administration is already trying to change the spin. I had noticed it a day or so ago. They are starting to accuse the generals of being responsible for the situtation. They were trying to make the case theat Rummy is just a conduit between the president and the pentagon....
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There seems to be a suspicious lack of our repub friends defending rumsfeld and bush's backing of him.
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