Anybody here still trust our government?

[Capt.Gene]

http://www.gregpalast.com/grand-thef...bankrupted-gm/

[diverlb]

It's not our government, it's special interests government!

[Marcus]

"The last official act of any government is to loot the nation."

[IrieSpearo]

Incredible, given that GM in the year 2000 was #23 in GDP/Sales, ahead of Denmark, Finland, Saudi Arabia, and Walmart, where did all that mone went?

Of the world's 100 largest economic entities, 51 are now corporations and 49 are countries. Look at:
http://www.corporations.org/system/top100.html

All this is far too complex for most of us to understand...the only constant is that the value of my money keeps diminishing, there must be some action taken soon...

[kvzeyde]

Anybody here still trust our government?


The answer is "YES".

Most of the true believers who voted for Obama still believe. How else can you explain Obama's high approval ratings?

[jackpine savage]

I thought it was all Bush's fault

[kvzeyde]

Originally Posted by jackpine savage

I thought it was all Bush's fault

That also would account for Obama's high approval ratings. I know Bush has been out of office for 6 months but..................

[lettersmooth]

Originally Posted by diverlb

It's not our government, it's special interests government!

what he said.

Originally Posted by IrieSpearo

All this is far too complex for most of us to understand...the only constant is that the value of my money keeps diminishing, there must be some action taken soon...

The notion that politics is "far too complex for most of us to understand" allows special interests to rob us. Politics is a taboo part of culture for many people- its dirty, unethical, strange, and something most people don't want to be a part of- and this is exactly what special interests want. It's perfect- millions upon millions of people thinking politics "is far too complex" so they listen to blow hards on the radio and the television, who get them pissed off about stupid shit so they vent their rage towards that stupid shit- often other voters that don't share the same views as them- and feel better after venting, even though they completely missed the true problem.

it sounds so cheesy, but its true- the best way to take action is to educate yourself. The internet is a powerful tool for the masses, information can be distributed on an extremely large scale, for absolutely free. When John McCain didn't know how many freaking houses he owns, that video/info spread like a wildfire online. When Palin couldn't name one news outlet despite being a journalism major in college, that was a defining moment for conservative voters. They realized (along with other things of course) what a blockhead the GOP gave them and were frankly insulted; I was insulted every time that woman winked at me through the television. Yeah... I may not agree with everything she says, but THIS is the best America can give its voters?

When Barack Obama flip flopped on FISA, it pissed off a lot of his supporters, most found out about it through the internet. When that photo of Michael Phelps taking a bong hit surfaced, so many pissed off people called Kellogg (because they went way out of line and publicly scolded him) that for a while, when you called Kellogg, it said 'If you're calling about Michael Phelps, press 1. If you're calling about the peanut recall, press 2.' The internet isn't really controlled, yet. Its an ally.

Its fkucd up but politicians are on a different level then us, they're above the rest of us because of money and treatment they get from the real players- corporations. They're happy with it like that, they'd rather be comfy in a fkucd up system as long as they're above the majority. We're all in the same boat, and the sooner people realize that, the sooner we're better off.

So to answer the original question- do I trust the government?- no. Not at all. I trust the people. But until the people realize what's going and that there's power in numbers- and I hope that happens in my life time- the best I can do is vote for and support certain people that have the people's best interests at heart (imo ).

[chuam]

Nice of the previous administration to pass the buck on this:

REPORT: Cheney says Bush left GM bankruptcy for the next guy

The writing's been on the wall for years: GM would have to declare bankruptcy if it had any hope of restructuring in order to survive in the long-term. And though the Obama administration's effective take-over of General Motors was hardly the first case of the government nationalizing a private company, President George W. Bush didn't want to be the one to do it.

This, according to former vice-president Dick Cheney, who reportedly admitted in a recent interview on Fox News that the Bush administration floated the $17.4 billion auto industry bailout package in order to give the outgoing administration enough time to exit and for the next administration to settle in before the house of cards in Detroit came tumbling down. According to Cheney, President Bush "decided that he did not want to be the one who pulled the plug just before he left office."


http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/09/c...-the-next-guy/

[IrieSpearo]

Originally Posted by lettersmooth

what he said.




The notion that politics is "far too complex for most of us to understand" allows special interests to rob us.


The internet isn't really controlled, yet. Its an ally.

I trust the people.

I was talking more about corporations that are richer than countries asking for bailouts...and has to do a lot with modern money mechanics and how the corporations make money out of thin air, so since im not a mathematician, seems a hard topic to understand...please explain to us how the government makes money and what gives value to our money? How a fractional reserve banking system works?

The internet, as well as television, is mostly a vast wasteland...

[kvzeyde]

Originally Posted by chuam

Nice of the previous administration to pass the buck on this:

REPORT: Cheney says Bush left GM bankruptcy for the next guy

The writing's been on the wall for years: GM would have to declare bankruptcy if it had any hope of restructuring in order to survive in the long-term. And though the Obama administration's effective take-over of General Motors was hardly the first case of the government nationalizing a private company, President George W. Bush didn't want to be the one to do it.

This, according to former vice-president Dick Cheney, who reportedly admitted in a recent interview on Fox News that the Bush administration floated the $17.4 billion auto industry bailout package in order to give the outgoing administration enough time to exit and for the next administration to settle in before the house of cards in Detroit came tumbling down. According to Cheney, President Bush "decided that he did not want to be the one who pulled the plug just before he left office."


http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/09/c...-the-next-guy/

What crap!

If the Bush administration had allowed bankruptcy for the automakers just before he left office Obama supporters like you would have said "Obama would have saved them".

Both the Bush and the Obama administrations should have let Chrysler and G.M. go into bankruptcy without any federal funds. JMHO

Please give it a break and quit blaming Bush for the broken promises of Obama!

[aaron proffitt]

Originally Posted by kvzeyde

Both the Bush and the Obama administrations should have let Chrysler and G.M. go into bankruptcy without any federal funds. JMHO

I agree .... businesses fail everyday. And many others succeed everyday.

[jackpine savage]

Exactly what different position would GM be in right now had it gone bankrupt 8 months ago prior to receiving government funds? I don't really understand the rationale that either administration has given for bailing out GM, when in the end they are under bankruptcy protection. The federal dollars were not necessary.

[mnguy]

Originally Posted by aaron proffitt

I agree .... businesses fail everyday. And many others succeed everyday.

Me too. Should've let them close up shop if they couldn't cut it. Maybe the UAW members would see what their union really did for them in the long run when coupled with the fact that GM couldn't make a car that people wanted to buy if their life depended on it.

Like any disease, one that is too powerful or too virulent kills off all the hosts and subsequently dies for lack of something to latch onto.

[Tiny]

NO, I don't.

The problem IS our government, NOT special interests. None of the special interest groups vote in the house or senate...our county is being run into the ground solely by those 545 or so people, period. No one makes them do anything, they are grown ups just like most of us. They could turn this thing around if they wanted to. Maybe some of them should man up and do the right, hard thing for our county.

Our congress and senate were never meant to be lifetime appointments...there should be term limits. The chances of winning against an incumbent are slim.