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Old 07-29-2016, 08:49 PM   #1
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How do HECS electrical energy blocking wetsuits work?

This is a question we face a lot, and in order to best explain we at HECS have recently put together a demonstrative video. Please watch and enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAwDVUhA_oE
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Old 07-29-2016, 11:55 PM   #2
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Re: How do HECS electrical energy blocking wetsuits work?

While an somewhat informative video, it got me to do a little more reading on the Faraday principle.

If you wanted to prove your wetsuit on video, you should have done it underwater. On land, you didn't convince me at all and especially after reading several articles on the principles.

I have attached one of the articles I read. Bottom line is every article says you need a source of grounding, many of them say it cannot be done in water and the all say the entire person or object must be covered completely otherwise the effect is negated.

http://www.gamry.com/application-not.../faraday-cage/

I'm on the fence with this one, but IMO you didn't prove anything with the video. That's a lot of money for a wetsuit. I still have an open mind and could be convinced but, this video didn't do anything but raise more questions in my mind....
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Re: How do HECS electrical energy blocking wetsuits work?

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I'm on the fence with this one, but IMO you didn't prove anything with the video. That's a lot of money for a wetsuit. I still have an open mind and could be convinced but, this video didn't do anything but raise more questions in my mind....
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Old 07-30-2016, 10:49 AM   #4
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While an somewhat informative video, it got me to do a little more reading on the Faraday principle.

If you wanted to prove your wetsuit on video, you should have done it underwater. On land, you didn't convince me at all and especially after reading several articles on the principles.

I have attached one of the articles I read. Bottom line is every article says you need a source of grounding, many of them say it cannot be done in water and the all say the entire person or object must be covered completely otherwise the effect is negated.

http://www.gamry.com/application-not.../faraday-cage/

I'm on the fence with this one, but IMO you didn't prove anything with the video. That's a lot of money for a wetsuit. I still have an open mind and could be convinced but, this video didn't do anything but raise more questions in my mind....

Hi 2finshin2,
Thank you for your comment and open-mindedness. This is actually a question that we get occasionally. In the basic concept of capturing the electrical field a true Faraday cage is meant to attenuate much stronger electromagnetic fields (like those the Faraday was working with in his day) is grounded. The reason is that higher energy fields will load the cage material and will become ineffective if it does not drain that energy to ground.

The extreme low frequency energy that we produce as living beings is exponentially smaller than the fields that Faraday cages are commonly used for and as such our conducive grid can hold the field in capacitance (kind of like a battery) for a quite extended period. Since our grid has substantially more conductivity than the surrounding medium (weather that be air or water) the energy will be held in the grid until it contacts a grounded object where it is quickly drained.

Hope this helps you to better understand how HECS works.

We do always fall back on the obvious results we all see and that we are continually learning more about how HECS effects the natural environment, but it is indeed nice to understand HECS from a scientific standpoint.
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Old 07-30-2016, 11:44 AM   #5
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Re: How do HECS electrical energy blocking wetsuits work?

I've got a HEC's suit for deer hunting. I've not encountered a deer yet while wearing the suit, but if birds are any indication, it's a bird lovers dream. I've had dove's land on my head before while wearing the suit. All the smaller birds seem to "browse" a lot closer too, just a couple of feet from you. Pretty interesting.
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Old 08-22-2016, 07:50 PM   #6
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I've got a HEC's suit for deer hunting. I've not encountered a deer yet while wearing the suit, but if birds are any indication, it's a bird lovers dream. I've had dove's land on my head before while wearing the suit. All the smaller birds seem to "browse" a lot closer too, just a couple of feet from you. Pretty interesting.
Thank you Timinator, we have had many people tell us how amazing the effects are on birds and we are sure once you do find a deer you will likely see a difference there too.

Have you had a chance to try one of our wetsuits or dive skins? once again you will notice an amazing difference!
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Thank you Timinator, we have had many people tell us how amazing the effects are on birds and we are sure once you do find a deer you will likely see a difference there too.

Have you had a chance to try one of our wetsuits or dive skins? once again you will notice an amazing difference!
Well, I'd love to "try" one out, but I don't think you have loaners wet-suits do you? It's a nice chunk of change, and I already have new skin, 3 and 5 mil suits.
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When are you guys going to make a tropical suit in 1.5mm or 2mm?
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Re: How do HECS electrical energy blocking wetsuits work?

Can you tell us what fish species you feel this works on that is relevant to spearfishermen? From what I can find (maybe I'm looking in the wrong location) electroreception in bony fish is limited to a few freshwater fish, not what we largely target.
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Can you tell us what fish species you feel this works on that is relevant to spearfishermen? From what I can find (maybe I'm looking in the wrong location) electroreception in bony fish is limited to a few freshwater fish, not what we largely target.
You're going to get crickets on this question. Or they'll come up with some random response of how much it has worked and you need to "try it" yourself. Or they'll just tell one of the people they've been having drop plugs come in and say how many fish they shot.
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Can you tell us what fish species you feel this works on that is relevant to spearfishermen? From what I can find (maybe I'm looking in the wrong location) electroreception in bony fish is limited to a few freshwater fish, not what we largely target.

Hi Benthic Ocean sports, thanks for the question, and its a valid one.

To answer your question some background needs to be explained regarding the evolution of HECS technology in relation to animal interactions.

The technology originated on land, for bow hunters. Professional bow hunters noticed that even when they catered for the commonly understood senses of a deer for example, being down wind, in camo/hidden, staying still, making no noise etc etc, the deer would still react at the last minute, just before the arrow was released, as if it knew something was going on.
A good human comparison of this is when you can 'feel' someone looking at you, you turn around and there is. Like deer and an array of other animals, we do not have a sensory system, that we are aware of, designed specifically to sense whatever signal this is. But nevertheless, we all know that feeling when someone looks at us.

This reaction of the deer stimulated the Bow hunter, inventor of HECS, to investigate potential signals and technology to block them, and thats how the faraday cage was implemented into HECS.

After the expected initial scepticism, and enough people trying the technology, it has become common place in the hunting world and its effect well accepted. However, present scientific understanding says that some of these animals don't have sensory systems specifically designed for electroreception. But, and this is the key point; science is an always evolving and growing body of knowledge that represents the PRESENT understating of things. Which brings me to the underwater world and your question:

As an example of scientific understanding evolving; Approximately 5 years ago it was scientifically accepted that crayfish did not have electroreception abilities. Now, through scientific experiments it s has been proven through multiple studies that cray fish, lobsters and various other related invertebrates, can in fact detect electrical signals, and in fact use such detection for predator avoidance and prey location.

This example illustrates the evolution and ever growing nature of scientific understanding.

So with regard to bony fish, science has identified species that can detect electrical signals. There are many species science has not conducted in depth studies on in this manner. And many where science presumes they cannot have electroreception due to simple anatomical structure. But there are species that do not have clear anatomical structures and yet have been proven to use electroreception, just like the cray fish.

HECS was never invented with the intention of aiming to sell suits to spear fishermen, it simply evolved into that niche and beyond. Originally the technology was tested by marine biologists who specialised in shark behaviour, as that made sense as a starting point, an animal that has a very clear sensory system designed for electroreception. The HECS effect was observed by these scientists, whereby sharks behaved more naturally and in less threatened ways, when the diver was wearing HECS vs without.

These scientists then sought to see if such 'effect' was observed with other animals underwater, through their other work and recreation. Soon HECS was being applied to camera work, spearfishing, commercial research and general snorkelling for observation. Unique experiences were recorded, and as more HECS suits were made, for more and more professionals in various fields of work, more testimonials came in, and from a wide variety of animals, including species where present scientific understanding suggests no electro repletion ability.

HECS does not, and has never paid anyone to wear suits or provide opinions on the suits or effects of wearing them. The testimonials HECS posts on our website, and through social media are from either the general public, or from team riders, who are people chosen for their experience, expertise and ambassadorship of their chosen sport. Because of this experience, they are logical people to initially test the effects of wearing HECS, in order to then educate the public market.

Since HECS started in the underwater world, not once has a customer come back with negative feedback or a lack of unique experience. Every single correspondence has reported unique interactions, closer interactions, or in the case directly related to your question regarding bony fish, the extra moment required to get the shot, or a closer distance for a shot, or often a usually skittish species of fish like snapper in NZ, seeing you and coming straight at you all the way to the tip of the spear, with a curious, 'what are you' look on their face.

So that is the HECS effect, and the above is the best summary we can provide to your question. I hope this helps, and to provide feedback to the public HECS is soon launching a testimonial feed on our website and social platform, to let HECS customers who have used a suit, to write about their experiences.

Thanks for reading
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Old 09-02-2016, 06:53 AM   #12
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Thanks for the response, hopefully you get more feedback from the public now that you're selling these to everyone
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Re: How do HECS electrical energy blocking wetsuits work?

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Hi Benthic Ocean sports, thanks for the question, and its a valid one......

To answer your question some background needs to be explained regarding the evolution of HECS technology in relation to animal interactions.


A good human comparison of this is when you can 'feel' someone looking at you, you turn around and there is. Like deer and an array of other animals, we do not have a sensory system, that we are aware of, designed specifically to sense whatever signal this is. But nevertheless, we all know that feeling when someone looks at us.

That sounds VERY scientific..

So neither people nor typical bony fish have a scientifically documented "sensory system" that provides this strange capability, but... we all know that this "mystery sense" is possessed by humans and fish and once we realize this, it is easy to accept the idea that the special suits blocks this sensory input for fish.


Since HECS started in the underwater world, not once has a customer come back with negative feedback or a lack of unique experience.

And everyone who has ever worn the suit has reported these "unique experiences".
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So you're saying that while although these fish may not posses electoreception the suit seems to work anyway? So no basis, just "hey it's true, trust us and our customers."

As far as the comment about paying people to wear your suits. You may not be paying them cash to wear the suit, but giving them a suit for free (especially one as pricey as you are marketing) is essentially the same thing. Let's cut the crap and call a spade a spade. I would take this a step further and venture to guess that there is some sort of agreement with these divers receiving free suits that they are under some sort of obligation to report back (but hey I'm as skeptical as it gets so take that for what it's worth). And hell, if I received a free suit I'm sure I'd have nothing, but good things to say.
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I don't have a suit but why is everyone on this forum such a dick to new companies? They're making stuff for you. Even if it doesn't get targeted fish closer it still helps dealing with sharks. That right there is enough to pique my interest. Getting a fish vs getting bit is a clear choice. On top of that the extra feeling of security can change your body language hence getting cover to wary fish.

Xmas is on the way and maybe I'll add this to the wish list.
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