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Old 02-13-2016, 09:49 PM   #1
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Breathing Techniques

Looking to see if anyone has any tips to strengthen the lungs up? I have a dry breath hold of about 3:30 to 4 min....

I practice daily on my breathing, I start with a warm up of inhaling for 20 seconds through the nose, then hold for 20 seconds, then a slow exhale out the mouth for 20 seconds....I repeat this step 5 times.

Following I take a max rapid inhale through the nose then I exhale 50% of the breath rapidly out the mouth I repeat with a rapid inhale through the nose then exhale of 50% I follow this rapid session for a good min then I repeat several times....this helps to flood the body with oxygen....

Any other techniques or suggestions? I am unable to get past that 4 min mark and I want to be able to get myself to a wet breath hold of 3 or 4 min....

Thank you for your time and any suggestions.
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Old 02-14-2016, 02:37 AM   #2
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Re: Breathing Techniques

What you're describing sounds suicidal in water. One minute (or more! if I read correctly) of rapid breaths is the definition of hyperventilation. Please stop. Get a free-diving class. Seriously. Hyperventilating purges too much CO2 so you have no feedback on urge to breathe. The body has NO O2 sensor... you simply black out and drown when PO2 gets too low, usually in the last few meters of ascent or at surface when PO2 plummets due to rapid pressure changes near surface.

STOP. Doing. Hyperventilation. It is profoundly dangerous in water.

Even if you only do this on dry land, hyperventilating is a bad idea. You should do dry statics to prepare for in water diving, using CO2 tables and O2 tables, neither of which use hyperventilating.

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Old 02-14-2016, 02:57 AM   #3
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Re: Breathing Techniques

I did not mean to come off that I use those breathing techniques "in the water" nor was I trying to ask anyone to do that, I am fully aware of blackouts, and what causes them.

I was just saying this is a "warm up" technique in order to get my lungs going before I work on strengthening my lungs. Whenever I start with a warm up it is always while sitting down and on land....I picked up these techniques from watching some documentaries on a guy named "Wim Hof" he was able to sit submerged in ice for 2 hours without changing his core temp, he climbed Mt Everest in only a pair of shorts, he also ran a marathon is Namib desert with no water....I would highly recommend looking more into his breathing techniques or just what he has accomplished.....here is a link to a cool documentary

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VaMjhwFE1Zw

Again I was not trying to suggest any type of hyperventilating in the water or on a dive...I was simply talking about a warm up I do to get my lungs prepped for when I start my regular lung strengthening and was asking for any tips in order to help me get my breath hold longer
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Old 02-14-2016, 03:23 AM   #4
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Oh, that's a relief. Thanks for clarification.
Still, good to get a class and learn about static tables.
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Re: Breathing Techniques

One thing I have come across in my brief studies is that during your exhale phase, it may be more beneficial to exhale through the nose. Exhaling through the mouth and pursed lips, as is common in many relaxation, meditative and yogic exercises, controls the exhalation rate through pressure build up in the mouth and throat. This does little to engage and strengthen the diaphragm. By a slow and controlled exhaling through the nose, we are forced to engage the diaphragm and other core muscles in order to control the rate of exhalation. It's much more difficult, but pays dividends. This of course applies to land training sessions only because obviously while in the water you'll have a mask on and will be breathing through a snorkel.
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It's no secret from some of my threads and post that dieing while diving Is a topic that I just can't let go.
So damn many moons ago it seems like I went down and brought up numerous dead divers, reason being mostly extreme depth, other reason is documenting everything that can be seen or thought of for an answer of the death. Now I feel the go Pro is the way to go anytime you go to recover a body.

OK so the theory and thought has gone on throughout years, so many times the corner has declared cardiac arrest, and throughout discussing with different doctors and specialist, breathing through the mouth raises the heart rate, and as you get older you are going to be more susceptible for cardiac arrest. But how did the young die of cardiac arrest.

I've never had real evidence or proof but the theory goes along that as scuba diver's we only breathe through the mouth, when you exert you breathe faster through the mouth.

So when a diver is on a vacation dive he can have a start up on the surface by breathing through the mouth And then throws the Reg in and breathes through the mouth while he's in the water. And in a percentage overall can put you into cardiac arrest.

This is probably the closest link to describe what I'm sharing with you all and to practice lung exercise Possibly help before Freedive if executed correctly.

http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fit...breathing.aspx
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Re: Breathing Techniques

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Looking to see if anyone has any tips to strengthen the lungs up? I have a dry breath hold of about 3:30 to 4 min....

I practice daily on my breathing, I start with a warm up of inhaling for 20 seconds through the nose, then hold for 20 seconds, then a slow exhale out the mouth for 20 seconds....I repeat this step 5 times.

Following I take a max rapid inhale through the nose then I exhale 50% of the breath rapidly out the mouth I repeat with a rapid inhale through the nose then exhale of 50% I follow this rapid session for a good min then I repeat several times....this helps to flood the body with oxygen....

Any other techniques or suggestions? I am unable to get past that 4 min mark and I want to be able to get myself to a wet breath hold of 3 or 4 min....

Thank you for your time and any suggestions.
Win Hoff is a wicked cool guy but he is not a free diver.

Your rapid breathing sequence is not 'flooding the body with O2', it is purging CO2 (hyperventilation). For an even slightly in shape guy with no breathing issues like asthma, it only takes a couple lungfuls of air after a static breathhold like you describe to bring the body's blood O2 back to normal levels, but it would take many more (like 10-20) to bring CO2 levels to baseline. The only way to elevate your O2 to supranormal levels is to breathe pure O2.
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Old 02-14-2016, 04:59 PM   #8
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It's no secret from some of my threads and post that dieing while diving Is a topic that I just can't let go.
So damn many moons ago it seems like I went down and brought up numerous dead divers, reason being mostly extreme depth, other reason is documenting everything that can be seen or thought of for an answer of the death. Now I feel the go Pro is the way to go anytime you go to recover a body.

OK so the theory and thought has gone on throughout years, so many times the corner has declared cardiac arrest, and throughout discussing with different doctors and specialist, breathing through the mouth raises the heart rate, and as you get older you are going to be more susceptible for cardiac arrest. But how did the young die of cardiac arrest.

I've never had real evidence or proof but the theory goes along that as scuba diver's we only breathe through the mouth, when you exert you breathe faster through the mouth.

So when a diver is on a vacation dive he can have a start up on the surface by breathing through the mouth And then throws the Reg in and breathes through the mouth while he's in the water. And in a percentage overall can put you into cardiac arrest.

This is probably the closest link to describe what I'm sharing with you all and to practice lung exercise Possibly help before Freedive if executed correctly.

http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fit...breathing.aspx
Thank you for the article, I tested my "CP" and hit 37 seconds putting me in the average category but I am going to practice the Buteyko breathing technique to see how far I can get my breathing and breath hold.
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