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Old 11-10-2021, 08:05 PM   #16
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Re: Covid-19 Shots vs. Free Diving Issues

I read that and then found this. https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...d-19-vaccines/ and this https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/co...s-scare-tactic
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Old 11-10-2021, 09:16 PM   #17
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Re: Covid-19 Shots vs. Free Diving Issues

I'm reasonably convinced that the vax provides a good risk/benefit ratio for adults, but of course, who knows about longer term effects... (of the infection and the vax)_.

However, I think the risk/benefit ratio is different for children.

From a public health perspective, it does make sense to have them vaccinated so they don't keep passing it to adults and making them sick or dead. Wonder if we are compromising our children's future to make things better for adults right now?

Wait, I KNOW we are doing that already as we run the federal deficit to insane proportions. It is not a conspiracy theory that we will sacrifice our children.
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Old 11-10-2021, 09:33 PM   #18
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Re: Covid-19 Shots vs. Free Diving Issues

One critical issue to consider: 1. This is deemed an experimental drug; 2. it is not approved by the FDA and was pushed thru as an emergency measure; 3. If you decide to get the shot, read any waiver you sign very closely, because:
...it may relieve the doctor, hospital and government of all liability and you will not be able to sue if serious side effects develop...which means:
your health coverage may not apply because you voluntarily agreed to take an experimental drug not approved by the FDA..
....Example: In one incident a woman developed shaking (palsy like conditions) of the hands and her tongue several days after the shot. Multiple visits to the ER finally pinpointed the issue in the nano particles which lodged in her neck area affecting the nerves therein...Her health insurance company refused to pay for additional (and, probably long term) treatment because the waiver released them from any and all liability to treat the condtition, since it was not an FDA approved drug.....Catch-22 by our government and drug companies covering their asses....
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Old 11-11-2021, 11:34 AM   #19
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To each his own. Simple solution: Divide the hospitals up 50/50. When 50% of the hospitals are filled due to covid, you are shit out of luck and on your own. In going forward, if 50% of the hospitals are filled due to complications from the jab, same thing, you are on your own. At this point, it is starting to get expensive due to staffing shortages and cost of the ICU stay. I just got my booster three days ago. No issues to date. I am more worried about the "long haulers" complications. I know 146 people that have had covid, none have died. About 20 have been in the hospital. About 15 cannot climb a flight of stairs to this day. Your decision.
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Old 11-11-2021, 03:23 PM   #20
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...Yes, it seems we are between a rock and a hard spot on this decision....Most doctors agree the shots help reduce Covid....On the other hand, more evidence is surfacing of side effects that can also kill you....heart issues, breathing issues, failed kidneys, issues with teen agers that had no problems prior to the shot and developing myocarditis after....Messing with mother nature to change our dna and blood cells may cost us big time in the long run.
...Like you say, to each his own decision...I choose to isolate, wear a mask and keep my distance where possible...so far, so good...Knowledge is gold....
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Pfish and Bob, you both articulated the uncertainty about getting the jab verses getting covid pretty well. This is why there should be NO mandated shots for something that is so questionable and uncertain.

If the jab was really helpful and actually worked, and it had virtually no side effects (like ALL other real vaccines) then mandates MIGHT have a basis of legitimacy - but if the vaccines did meet these criteria, then people would voluntarily sign up for them - just like they already do for all the other legitimate vaccines.

Mandating a dramatically harmful jab that doesn't work to stop the disease it is supposed to prevent is an exercise in raw tyranny, not an exercise of a sound policy of public health.

Even if you favor the jab for yourself, you should oppose mandating it for others. Because if you do not, you will be facilitating a government tyranny that will one day force you to do something that you believe is contrary to your own health.

Bodily autonomy is sacred. Forced vaccination is medical rape, placing an object and a fluid in your body against your will, under threat of harm (losing your job, etc.), just like sexual rape is accomplished.

Even if you like sex with a consenting partner, you should oppose the rape of a non-consenting partner. If you oppose mandated sexual rape, you should also oppose mandated medical rape.

Here is the link to the proof of the adverse reactions to the shot: http://www.spearboard.com/showthread.php?t=201375 Password: FIRST AMENDMENT (all caps)
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Pfish and Bob, you both articulated the uncertainty about getting the jab verses getting covid pretty well. This is why there should be NO mandated shots for something that is so questionable and uncertain.

If the jab was really helpful and actually worked, and it had virtually no side effects (like ALL other real vaccines) then mandates MIGHT have a basis of legitimacy - but if the vaccines did meet these criteria, then people would voluntarily sign up for them - just like they already do for all the other legitimate vaccines.

Mandating a dramatically harmful jab that doesn't work to stop the disease it is supposed to prevent is an exercise in raw tyranny, not an exercise of a sound policy of public health.

Even if you favor the jab for yourself, you should oppose mandating it for others. Because if you do not, you will be facilitating a government tyranny that will one day force you to do something that you believe is contrary to your own health.

Bodily autonomy is sacred.
Forced vaccination is medical rape, placing an object and a fluid in your body against your will, under threat of harm (losing your job, etc.), just like sexual rape is accomplished.

Even if you like sex with a consenting partner, you should oppose the rape of a non-consenting partner. If you oppose mandated sexual rape, you should also oppose mandated medical rape.

Here is the link to the proof of the adverse reactions to the shot: http://www.spearboard.com/showthread.php?t=201375 Password: FIRST AMENDMENT (all caps)
Bodily autonomy is sacred... as is the right to an abortion?
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Bodily autonomy is sacred... as is the right to an abortion?
There are TWO bodies involved in abortion: The mothers and the baby's. The bodily autonomy of EACH is sacred.
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Old 11-11-2021, 08:55 PM   #24
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Pete: And....left leaning Politifact twists the truth again....

"In short, PolitiFact disregarded the obvious facts of this matter in favor of an unsupported claim from a selected professor.

That’s not “fact checking.” It is misusing cherry-picked experts to spread counterfactual claims."


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